QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Happs:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
But thats what the market dictates. That is what I have been trying to get people to grasp on this site. Its not up to the 49ers to chance how the NFL does things with QB contracts. If you want to say 10 QBs are totally overpaid, I wont argue. But thats the cost of doing business with a non-rookie/non-end of his career QB.

The right move for this team to make is to have Purdy as our QB. Period.

Two things:

1. The market does not dictate that we agree to a potentially bad contract.

2. It's pure speculation what Purdy would make on the open market.

This idea that we just have to pay Purdy because other teams paid their guy is simply not the case.

This is the correct analysis. The market rate is what Purdy would fetch from other teams, not what other teams paid their own QB. Dak Prescott had some strange leverage over Jerry Jones but I think that ended up as a bad deal for the Cowboys.

I don't see other teams paying a market resetting contract to Brock Purdy whenif he's a free agent. The team also has leverage in that he's not a free agent. He's only eligible for an extension now. I think he'll get a offered deal in the TuaLawrence range. Then the next move will be on him. Obviously the agent's advice will play a role, how big a role is the question.

It's correct in theory. It isnt correct in reality/practice.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yes you say these things, then go around all day fighting people that have positive things to say about Brock lol

But whatever you say man

Not blindly agreeing that he's elite isn't fighting anyone…I've talked about what he's good at and what's he's not good at. it's called having a discussion about a football player…now we're talking about all the good/bad because he's not gonna be making $900k, it's gonna be $200M.

it's not my fault you can't handle that kind of discussion.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's correct in theory. It isnt correct in reality/practice.

Why?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
To be fair, that Manningham catch was also an insane throw. He played well that game. Their defense was gnarly though, as you mentioned. No chance they win either year without them going on an absolute heater.

Insane DL. The manningham throw was damn good.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's correct in theory. It isnt correct in reality/practice.

Why?

What do you mean why? You have seen how QB contracts are given out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Yes you say these things, then go around all day fighting people that have positive things to say about Brock lol

But whatever you say man

Not blindly agreeing that he's elite isn't fighting anyone…I've talked about what he's good at and what's he's not good at. it's called having a discussion about a football player…now we're talking about all the good/bad because he's not gonna be making $900k, it's gonna be $200M.

it's not my fault you can't handle that kind of discussion.

You're fighting against no one. Woo says he had an elite year in 23 and you jump at the opportunity to bring the kid down claiming that people think he's elite. Every single time lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why?

Because many other teams didn't have the wherewithal to test the market.

For example, I believe if Lawrence or Love were available in the market, by potential trade or free agency, I believe there are teams that would have met their number. I don't believe that's the case with Tua. I'm highly skeptical that's the case with Brock right now. It's just speculation though… there's only a couple ways to actually find out, and they require us to be cutthroat.

Nice two year birthday reminder..

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What do you mean why? You have seen how QB contracts are given out.

Right so they have to make a bad deal just because other teams have made bad deals? Do you truthfully believe if Brock was a FA he would be getting a Joe Burrow like deal? For me, I don't think he would. Especially coming off this season.

I mean we're in unprecedented waters here, most of these big massive deals are guys that were top 50 picks in the draft (most 1st rd picks). Teams invested in these guys or they've already been paid a s**t fon previously.

We're talking about paying Brock stupid money off not a ton of football and with ups and downs. Like I said I expect there to not be as much GTD cash as some of these other deals because of that.

We will see, I hope it all gets done sooner than later and we can move on.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You're fighting against no one. Woo says he had an elite year in 23 and you jump at the opportunity to bring the kid down claiming that people think he's elite. Every single time lol

I said he had a great yr. I'm saying he shouldn't be paid what guys like Burrow/allen/dak/herbert and Mahomes make. You clearly think he should be. You've gone so far to point out a playoff game from Herbert as to why. Which I find silly

Do you think Brock might be a little more dependent on the roster around him than some of the other highly paid QBs? I do an I think his contract should reflect that

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Because many other teams didn't have the wherewithal to test the market.

For example, I believe if Lawrence or Love were available in the market, by potential trade or free agency, I believe there are teams that would have met their number. I don't believe that's the case with Tua. I'm highly skeptical that's the case with Brock right now. It's just speculation though… there's only a couple ways to actually find out, and they require us to be cutthroat.

I completely agree.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What do you mean why? You have seen how QB contracts are given out.

Right so they have to make a bad deal just because other teams have made bad deals? Do you truthfully believe if Brock was a FA he would be getting a Joe Burrow like deal? For me, I don't think he would. Especially coming off this season.

I mean we're in unprecedented waters here, most of these big massive deals are guys that were top 50 picks in the draft (most 1st rd picks). Teams invested in these guys or they've already been paid a s**t fon previously.

We're talking about paying Brock stupid money off not a ton of football and with ups and downs. Like I said I expect there to not be as much GTD cash as some of these other deals because of that.

We will see, I hope it all gets done sooner than later and we can move on.

I think Brock is better than all of those "bad deals" so it wouldnt be a bad deal for us.

We are in unprecedented waters here because every QB we have drafted after Joe Montana has turned out to be somewhere between a bum and an average QB when it was time for them to get their next contract. Brock is not that. I dont care where the player was drafted, and has no relevance to getting a deal or not.

And its only stupid money if you look at the surface of the contract. Do you really think Paraag is going to let us sign a massive long term contract with no protection to us? Do you really think that with the salary cap going up every year that it wont affect how his contract is? I think people need to chill and relax. Say the surface is he gets a 5 year extension for $300m (I think it will be less, but lets just say this). There is ZERO chance he will be getting all $300m. He will either restructure in a few years, or we will have an out and go elsewhere.

If you think Brock is a good QB, then you sign him for what the market is. Simple. If you want to move off of him, then you cut bait now. I think moving off him carries SUBSTANTIALLY more risk than signing him to a contract that we can get out of in a couple of years.

And by the way, he has had high ups but I would argue his downs are vastly overblown by people who are afraid of paying him. Even in this "down year" he was still at least middle of the pack in pretty much every conceivable way.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Nice two year birthday reminder..

Today is my birthday—that was a great day! And don't get me started on 2012

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Two things:

1. The market does not dictate that we agree to a potentially bad contract.

2. It's pure speculation what Purdy would make on the open market.

This idea that we just have to pay Purdy because other teams paid their guy is simply not the case.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think Brock is better than all of those "bad deals" so it wouldnt be a bad deal for us.

We are in unprecedented waters here because every QB we have drafted after Joe Montana has turned out to be somewhere between a bum and an average QB when it was time for them to get their next contract. Brock is not that. I dont care where the player was drafted, and has no relevance to getting a deal or not.

And its only stupid money if you look at the surface of the contract. Do you really think Paraag is going to let us sign a massive long term contract with no protection to us? Do you really think that with the salary cap going up every year that it wont affect how his contract is? I think people need to chill and relax. Say the surface is he gets a 5 year extension for $300m (I think it will be less, but lets just say this). There is ZERO chance he will be getting all $300m. He will either restructure in a few years, or we will have an out and go elsewhere.

If you think Brock is a good QB, then you sign him for what the market is. Simple. If you want to move off of him, then you cut bait now. I think moving off him carries SUBSTANTIALLY more risk than signing him to a contract that we can get out of in a couple of years.

And by the way, he has had high ups but I would argue his downs are vastly overblown by people who are afraid of paying him. Even in this "down year" he was still at least middle of the pack in pretty much every conceivable way.

A bad deal is a bad deal…who do you think he's better than from those deals? What other people are saying is we don't believe there are other teams that's would be willing to pay him that $200M+ contract. So why should SF?

doesn't matter if you care or don't. The NFL does which is what matters when we're talking about the market and who's been getting paid.

I understand how the cap works and how contracts go, it will absolutely affect how we can sign FA and extend others. This isn't 2018 when SF had no players to extend, stupid cap space and all the guys they were drafting were good young players on rookie deals.

SF will have to be more dependent on the draft and can't be f**king up picks.

I think you can sign him to a fair deal without having to make it ridiculous. He shouldn't be asking/getting Dak or Burrow cash.

I think Brock has limitations unfortunately. Playing in poor weather is a problem. Just is, there's enough data to show that. I do think the roster has to be at a certain level for him to play how we need him to if we want to have a chance to win it all.

I've agreed the love deal makes sense. A lot of fluff and the cap hits aren't over the top.