QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Why do you guys keep saying he has little leverage? What is the team going to do if he holds out? What is your plan for QB is not Purdy? Don't you think Lynch and Kyle are wondering the same thing? Lol

We don't want to let him hold out. You can try to sign a player that would indicate a willingness to do so, when you don't want it to happen. It's a gamble.

If you don't want him to hold out, then you have to offer him something. The only way you can get to the point of "no leverage" that you're talking about is by playing hardball, forcing him to go to other teams to seek his value, etc. Is that how you think a QB like Purdy should be treated? If they treat Purdy that way, do you think it will sour his attitude about the franchise? If they treat Purdy that way, do you think other free agents will want to come to SF and deal with ownership that treats their players this way?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Again I pointed that out in my previous posts

that the trade would have to be serious enough where you can lose that player to get a real price

No one has dangled someone who they wanted to keep to another team to screw that player over a few million less

What would you call what we did with BA? The ravens did it when they gave lamar the nonexclusive franchise tag. He could talk to whomever he wanted to get a deal done. They could match it or not.

SF doesn't even have to pay Brock this off season if it comes down to it.

We didn't dangle BA to other teams to check out his value. We gave our final offer and he wanted the trade. In the end we still paid more

lamar wasn't dangled out there so the ravens can get a price for Lamar, they tagged him because he wanted a trade and didn't receive any offers

there's no way they attempt to do any of that, unless the 49ers are fine with actually losing Brock

Originally posted by NYniner85:
His cap hit next yr is $5M, he's not a FA. He has little leverage. There is no tag option.

yeah you're right we should have made BA the highest paid WR too. They should give Dre $100M and make him the highest paid LBer. Banks let's give him $80M. So on and so on. Who cares amirite?

folks b***hing about the OL, the defense and playmakers around Brock being the reason he had a down yr and how they need better players around him…AND want to take all that cash and give it to Brock

What? His cap hit this year is about $1 million. He IS a free agent after this upcoming season.

The cap hit would be around $40 million if he were to sign a tender and hold out.

Trying to penny pinch with Aiyuk is what caused him to hold out and play at a much worse level.

Why would they gave Greenlaw a big deal when he's coming off an injury, or Banks anything at all when he played like s**t?

Brock had a down year because of injury. 2023 Brock could have done fine with Willie Snead as a starting WR. 2024 Brock underthrew nearly every deep ball he attempted, whereas, as I said, he didn't underthrow any deep balls whatsoever last year (I notice you never came up with an answer to my challenge to find an example of that in 2023).

The only things that matter in football are systems, special teams, and QB. Unless you're the Queefs...then it's just systems and special teams.

You don't penny pinch with QBs. You start with the QB and fill in the rest as best you can.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He doesn't need to be eligible to be a free agent. He has all the leverage in that situation. The team would have to commit a s**tload of cap room to a guy who refuses to play.

Also, who cares if he wants to be the highest paid player in football? What difference does that make?

His cap hit next yr is $5M, he's not a FA. He has little leverage. There is no tag option.

yeah you're right we should have made BA the highest paid WR too. They should give Dre $100M and make him the highest paid LBer. Banks let's give him $80M. So on and so on. Who cares amirite?

folks b***hing about the OL, the defense and playmakers around Brock being the reason he had a down yr and how they need better players around him…AND want to take all that cash and give it to Brock

Why do you guys keep saying he has little leverage? What is the team going to do if he holds out? What is your plan for QB if not Purdy? Don't you think Lynch and Kyle are wondering the same thing? Lol

Boom problem solved . Choose any player with a cannon arm below.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the 2021 class is FA

you bring in fields
you bring in mac
you bring in wilson
you bring in trey

then we see who is least worst

Originally posted by Furlow:
Which QB statistic is only from the QB?

There really isn't one. QBR and PFF grades are an attempt to assign numbers to the film at least.

Stats are not the best way to evaluate players guys. They can tell you something, but are far from a complete picture.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I posted numbers that people commonly use to judge players… ie used your own argument against you. I fully understood you and Montana were isolating the SB. I expanded it to show how good he's been in the most important games by your own idiotic standards.

I never said anything about his numbers. You brought the numbers into it.

You don't know how to evaluate players independently of numbers anyway, as I said. You think a QB turning down an occasional deep corner is noteworthy, as though top QBs see everything that you can see on film.

Originally posted by Furlow:
If you don't want him to hold out, then you have to offer him something. The only way you can get to the point of "no leverage" that you're talking about is by playing hardball, forcing him to go to other teams to seek his value, etc. Is that how you think a QB like Purdy should be treated? If they treat Purdy that way, do you think it will sour his attitude about the franchise? If they treat Purdy that way, do you think other free agents will want to come to SF and deal with ownership that treats their players this way?

Yes
No
Yes

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
I never said anything about his numbers. You brought the numbers into it.

You don't know how to evaluate players independently of numbers anyway, as I said. You think a QB turning down an occasional deep corner is noteworthy, as though top QBs see everything that you can see on film.

Lol, you don't even understand the point.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Lol, you don't even understand the point.

You don't make points. You talk in circles because of how dumb your comments are.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
You don't make points. You talk in circles because of how dumb your comments are.

I don't think Purdy can make those types of throws physically, FYI.

I'll let others judge the merit of my posts. Your opinion is noted and highly valued.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He doesn't need to be eligible to be a free agent. He has all the leverage in that situation. The team would have to commit a s**tload of cap room to a guy who refuses to play.

Also, who cares if he wants to be the highest paid player in football? What difference does that make?

His cap hit next yr is $5M, he's not a FA. He has little leverage. There is no tag option.

yeah you're right we should have made BA the highest paid WR too. They should give Dre $100M and make him the highest paid LBer. Banks let's give him $80M. So on and so on. Who cares amirite?

folks b***hing about the OL, the defense and playmakers around Brock being the reason he had a down yr and how they need better players around him…AND want to take all that cash and give it to Brock

Why do you guys keep saying he has little leverage? What is the team going to do if he holds out? What is your plan for QB if not Purdy? Don't you think Lynch and Kyle are wondering the same thing? Lol

Boom problem solved . Choose any player with a cannon arm below.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the 2021 class is FA

you bring in fields
you bring in mac
you bring in wilson
you bring in trey

then we see who is least worst

Sweet baby Jesus please tell me Faithful was joking lol.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He doesn't need to be eligible to be a free agent. He has all the leverage in that situation. The team would have to commit a s**tload of cap room to a guy who refuses to play.

Also, who cares if he wants to be the highest paid player in football? What difference does that make?

His cap hit next yr is $5M, he's not a FA. He has little leverage. There is no tag option.

yeah you're right we should have made BA the highest paid WR too. They should give Dre $100M and make him the highest paid LBer. Banks let's give him $80M. So on and so on. Who cares amirite?

folks b***hing about the OL, the defense and playmakers around Brock being the reason he had a down yr and how they need better players around him…AND want to take all that cash and give it to Brock

Why do you guys keep saying he has little leverage? What is the team going to do if he holds out? What is your plan for QB if not Purdy? Don't you think Lynch and Kyle are wondering the same thing? Lol

What leverage does he have? He holds out and reports late and plays like s**t. Loses millions in free agency. Niners can just tag him the following year and let's see if any other team is willing to trade for him. I'll bet you no other team will offer a 1st round pick for Purdy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Which QB statistic is only from the QB?

There really isn't one. QBR and PFF grades are an attempt to assign numbers to the film at least.

Stats are not the best way to evaluate players guys. They can tell you something, but are far from a complete picture.

I agree. So are you saying we should offer him based on his measurables only? Or do you think decision making, processing speed, toughness, leadership, etc. are part of the evaluation?

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He doesn't need to be eligible to be a free agent. He has all the leverage in that situation. The team would have to commit a s**tload of cap room to a guy who refuses to play.

Also, who cares if he wants to be the highest paid player in football? What difference does that make?

His cap hit next yr is $5M, he's not a FA. He has little leverage. There is no tag option.

yeah you're right we should have made BA the highest paid WR too. They should give Dre $100M and make him the highest paid LBer. Banks let's give him $80M. So on and so on. Who cares amirite?

folks b***hing about the OL, the defense and playmakers around Brock being the reason he had a down yr and how they need better players around him…AND want to take all that cash and give it to Brock

Why do you guys keep saying he has little leverage? What is the team going to do if he holds out? What is your plan for QB if not Purdy? Don't you think Lynch and Kyle are wondering the same thing? Lol

What leverage does he have? He holds out and reports late and plays like s**t. Loses millions in free agency. Niners can just tag him the following year and let's see if any other team is willing to trade for him. I'll bet you no other team will offer a 1st round pick for Purdy.

Goodness. The leverage is the team would be in shambles and losing game. Kyle/Lynch would be on the hot seat. Coaches and GM's need to win as much as players do.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Which QB statistic is only from the QB?

There really isn't one. QBR and PFF grades are an attempt to assign numbers to the film at least.

Stats are not the best way to evaluate players guys. They can tell you something, but are far from a complete picture.

Without stats, what is the best way to evaluate players?