QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Yea there's like 10 QBs in the 50-60 mil range lol.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Almost 1/3 of QBs average $50 mil per year. So $50 million isn't elite money.

No they aren't, cap-wise. Please stop with these old wives tales and maybe some middle ground can be found. Here, again, are the top QB Cap hits for next year:

1. Dak Prescott (DAL) - $89.9 million
2. Deshaun Watson (CLE) - $72.9 million
3. Patrick Mahomes (KC) - $66.3 million
4. Derek Carr (NO) - $51.5 million
5. Matthew Stafford (LAR) - $49.7 million
6. Lamar Jackson (BAL) - $43.5 million
7. Jalen Hurts (PHI) - $42.0 million
8. Aaron Rodgers (NYJ) - $37.5 million
9. Trevor Lawrence (JAX) - $37.5 million
10. Joe Burrow (CIN) - $35.3 million

I'm seeing 4 @ over $50M next year,...nowhere close to 10.

Wasn't referring to actual cap hits. Good try though, I can tell you put in some effort

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not one time did NY say what you are trying to make it out to be. He's continued to post on how we should not offer brock anything close to Dak

It's also about AAV cause AAV is is the first number that hits the headlines. Since AAV isn't the real value then what's the fuss about ?

The posts are there for you to read. Go find them, or wait for NY to come back and bump them if he sees your newest posts.

Originally posted by random49er:
No there aren't, cap-wise. Please stop with these old wives tales and maybe some middle ground can be found. Here, again, are the top QB Cap hits for next year:

1. Dak Prescott (DAL) - $89.9 million
2. Deshaun Watson (CLE) - $72.9 million
3. Patrick Mahomes (KC) - $66.3 million
4. Derek Carr (NO) - $51.5 million
5. Matthew Stafford (LAR) - $49.7 million
6. Lamar Jackson (BAL) - $43.5 million
7. Jalen Hurts (PHI) - $42.0 million
8. Aaron Rodgers (NYJ) - $37.5 million
9. Trevor Lawrence (JAX) - $37.5 million
10. Joe Burrow (CIN) - $35.3 million

I'm seeing 4 @ over $50M next year,...nowhere close to 10.

This isn't right either. Hurts cap hit doesn't hit $42 mil until 2027 which is why the APY numbers(and likely the number he's actually talking about) is a bunch of nonsense.

Brock's contract will seem big but I imagine when the details come out it will be similar to how the Eagles did Hurts' deal where a bunch of built in fluff he will never see will spike the average number to make it look huge but the cap hits will be lower until maybe 2029-2030 by which time either Brock will prove he deserves all that and we can do another deal and create more cap space or he shows he's not worth it and we cut bait.

No matter what the key to the team is making sure we're drafting well. Hopefully they build on what looks like a stellar class this past draft.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by captveg:
McCarthy has proven to be a solid coach that can get to the playoffs rather consistently, and Rodgers is a HoF QB who used to be able to tip the scale just enough to win close games. IMO the miracle here is that they only won one. In Rodgers' years in Green Bay as the starter under McCarthy (2008-2018) the other ten NFC QBs to go to the SB were Manning x2, Wilson x2, Brees, Warner, Kaepernick, Newton, Ryan, Foles and Goff. Compared to the 11 AFC QBs in that time: Brady x5, Manning x3, Roethlisberger x2, Flacco. Rodgers/McCarthy let inferior QBs get past them unlike the AFC 3 did those 11 years, with 1 exception.

it was one of the only years Rodgers and GB had an elite defense to pair with the Rodgers led offense.

It takes a team to win the SB. No QB does it alone. Highly doubt there's a QB in the league that carries this year's Niners to the SB.

Exactly. If GB has a slightly better defense those 11 seasons with Rodgers/McCarthy they maybe win a few more. Instead Brady was the main beneficiary.

Point is I don't see that lone Rodgers/McCarthy SB win as miraculous at all in context. They had some pretty damn good seasons and if anything under achieved their team goals.

Brees/Payton did so as well for around the same amount of time for largely the same reason: defense.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It's based on the market

It's based on those player comps. Almost all of whom didn't test the market (at least publicly).

Player comps IS the market. Like it or not, that is the reality.

No. Player comps is a negotiation tactic.

The market is what others are willing to pay.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It's based on the market

It's based on those player comps. Almost all of whom didn't test the market (at least publicly).

Player comps IS the market. Like it or not, that is the reality.

No. Player comps is a negotiation tactic.

The market is what others are willing to pay.

I guess that would be the open market, but that's not the market

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Player comps IS the market. Like it or not, that is the reality.

Players being signed by their own teams based on comps has been the reality in practice for many teams in the NFL.

It does not necessarily reflect the market price of the individual players.

The suggestion here by some is to find out his market price. The response for many, including yourself, is to follow other teams' in their decision making processes even when this model is not a successful one in most cases.

Letting him hit the free market would hard to plan for and risky.

Only way he'd hit the free market in 2026 is if the 49ers didnt Franchise Tag him.

Only way the 49ers wouldnt tag him in 2026 is if the was pretty bad in 2025.

I don't foresee any of the risk u bring up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not saying don't sign him. I'm saying don't sign him for Dak/Burrow money.

I think the way the love contract is setup that makes the most sense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As far as I can tell it's essentially a 3 yrs $163M deal and reasonable cap hits.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares about APY? it's the most hollow metric ever regarding the cap.

warner and kittle's cap hits have never been higher than $12M since they've been here.

@49allthetime

All from today's conversation. Shrugs.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not one time did NY say what you are trying to make it out to be. He's continued to post on how we should not offer brock anything close to Dak

It's also about AAV cause AAV is is the first number that hits the headlines. Since AAV isn't the real value then what's the fuss about ?

The posts are there for you to read. Go find them, or wait for NY to come back and bump them if he sees your newest posts.

i read them, you're the one jumping in here and he isn't saying the same thing as you.

No one would go this hard about what brock should get paid when the numbers are always not what they portray

Originally posted by captveg:
Exactly. If GB has a slightly better defense those 11 seasons with Rodgers/McCarthy they maybe win a few more. Instead Brady was the main beneficiary.

Point is I don't see that lone Rodgers/McCarthy SB win as miraculous at all in context. They had some pretty damn good seasons and if anything under achieved their team goals.

Brees/Payton did so as well for around the same amount of time for largely the same reason: defense.

I said that. It was a joke. This thread needs to lighten up.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i read them, you're the one jumping in here and he isn't saying the same thing as you.

No one would go this hard about what brock should get paid when the numbers are always not what they portray

See the post above yours. I'm moving on.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not saying don't sign him. I'm saying don't sign him for Dak/Burrow money.

I think the way the love contract is setup that makes the most sense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As far as I can tell it's essentially a 3 yrs $163M deal and reasonable cap hits.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares about APY? it's the most hollow metric ever regarding the cap.

warner and kittle's cap hits have never been higher than $12M since they've been here.

@49allthetime

All from today's conversation. Shrugs.

Love Signed a 4yr 220m extension
Dak signed a 4yr 240m extension

What is the big fuss about really.. and the need to test the market ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Love Signed a 4yr 220m extension
Dak signed a 4yr 240m extension

What is the big fuss about really.. and the need to test the market ?

You can see that he's talking about structure of the contract, not aav.. as I pointed out to you. Just look at the guaranteed money as an example. He would like to test the market if Brock asks for a top of the market deal, which Love's is not. This isn't complicated.

This is what I know of the Purdy situation. I have been watching this team since the Montana era and Purdy is the best all around QB since Young Sure you can argue some athletic traits but overall he is the best they have had in what 30 years! I see a bunch of crying about what number to pay him but no legitimate replacement. Darnold is not legitimate. There's no can't miss in the draft and no free agent close to him. Pay him and move on. And don't give me you can't build a team once you pay him crap The playoffs are littered with teams paying there QB. Philly has no problem signing free agents and paying stars at wr. Sequin, Henry, they had no problem adding talent. Weak argument.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Love Signed a 4yr 220m extension
Dak signed a 4yr 240m extension

What is the big fuss about really.. and the need to test the market ?

Go look at the breakdowns of those two deals, they are drastically different….as a fan all we should care about is their cap hits and how soon can they get out of the deal, without eating massive amounts of DM.

Folks in here have been saying the market dictates the worth. What I said is well let the market do just that instead of paying him whatever the hell he wants. Why is that so hard to grasp? Why the pushback? No one is saying don't pay him. We as fans should want as much flexibility as possible in regards to the cap, so they can continue to put proven good players around him.

My god all anyone talked about this yr is how bad whatever position you want to complain about is. Well how the hell do you expect to get better? Having a good team cost $$$