QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you just said there's examples of that not being the case

I bolded the part of your post it was a response to:

'My point in all of this is you don't test the markets unless you are ready to let that player move on to another team'

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Love Signed a 4yr 220m extension
Dak signed a 4yr 240m extension

What is the big fuss about really.. and the need to test the market ?

Go look at the breakdowns of those two deals, they are drastically different….as a fan all we should care about is their cap hits and how soon can they get out of the deal, without eating massive amounts of DM.

Folks in here have been saying the market dictates the worth. What I said is well let the market do just that instead of paying him whatever the hell he wants. Why is that so hard to grasp? Why the pushback? No one is saying don't pay him. We as fans should want as much flexibility as possible in regards to the cap, so they can continue to put proven good players around him.

My god all anyone talked about this yr is how bad whatever position you want to complain about is. Well how the hell do you expect to get better? Having a good team cost $$$

thats what i don't get the passion you are putting towards this..

say brock gets the 4yr 240m headline.. We know the numbers won't be true

Hence why I constantly say no to Dak money. Again look at HIS deal. It is not fluff made up money. He's getting most of that cash. Same with Burrow.

love's deal is basically a 3 yr $163m deal if GB wants it to be. There's fluff to make the total look bigger. Cool do that with Brock.

Dak's deal is basically a 4 yr $236M deal, A LOT of that s**t is GTD his cap hits the next 3 yrs is $90M, $68M, $61M and it's real money, not massive cap hits with no GTD cash.

While I don't think Brock is some great player, he is a good QB and if I were him I wouldn't step foot in ANY team related activities until I had a long term extension. Hopefully they get this settled out shortly. QB is literally the one position that you can't have a hold out with

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He outplayed his contract by a mile

Imagine somebody gets you out of one of the biggest f**k ups in your line of works history, and he did it for peanuts

You wouldn't pay him back? You would keep making him work for peanuts and risking injury when he doesn't have to anymore?

So pay him something like Love got. Life changing money that a 7th rd pick never thought he would see ever. Go improve and get another deal in a couple yrs. Eating up a sizable % of the cap when everyone is complaining about the roster currently isn't gonna help him or anyone else.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Almost 1/3 of QBs average $50 mil per year. So $50 million isn't elite money.

No they aren't, cap-wise. Please stop with these old wives tales and maybe some middle ground can be found. Here, again, are the top QB Cap hits for next year:

1. Dak Prescott (DAL) - $89.9 million
2. Deshaun Watson (CLE) - $72.9 million
3. Patrick Mahomes (KC) - $66.3 million
4. Derek Carr (NO) - $51.5 million
5. Matthew Stafford (LAR) - $49.7 million
6. Lamar Jackson (BAL) - $43.5 million
7. Jalen Hurts (PHI) - $42.0 million
8. Aaron Rodgers (NYJ) - $37.5 million
9. Trevor Lawrence (JAX) - $37.5 million
10. Joe Burrow (CIN) - $35.3 million

I'm seeing 4 @ over $50M next year,...nowhere close to 10.

They were talking about AAV. For 2025 cap hits for quarterbacks, this is what I'm seeing.

1. Dak Prescott, DAL, QB, $89,896,666
2. Deshaun Watson, CLE, QB, $72,935,000
3. Patrick Mahomes, KC, QB, $66,258,269
4. Derek Carr, NO, QB, $51,458,000
5. Matthew Stafford, LAR, QB, $49,666,667
6. Joe Burrow, CIN, QB, $46,250,000
7. Kyler Murray, ARI, QB, $45,614,500
8. Geno Smith, SEA, QB, $44,500,000
9. Lamar Jackson, BAL, QB, $43,650,000
10. Josh Allen, BUF, QB, $43,231,281

Here are the top 10 in AAV.

1. Dak Prescott, DAL, QB, $60,000,000
2. Joe Burrow, CIN, QB, $55,000,000
3. Jordan Love, GB, QB, $55,000,000
4. Trevor Lawrence, JAX, QB, $55,000,000
5. Tua Tagovailoa, MIA, QB, $53,100,000
6. Jared Goff, DET, QB, $53,000,000
7. Justin Herbert, LAC, QB, $52,500,000
8. Lamar Jackson, BAL, QB, $52,000,000
9. Jalen Hurts, PHI, QB, $51,000,000
10. Kyler Murray, ARI, QB, $46,100,000

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So pay him something like Love got. Life changing money that a 7th rd pick never thought he would see ever. Go improve and get another deal in a couple yrs. Eating up a sizable % of the cap when everyone is complaining about the roster currently isn't gonna help him or anyone else.

i'd do 5 year 200m. set brock and the team up for success. if he wants the be the top player in pay then he needs a reality check

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Love Signed a 4yr 220m extension
Dak signed a 4yr 240m extension

What is the big fuss about really.. and the need to test the market ?

Go look at the breakdowns of those two deals, they are drastically different….as a fan all we should care about is their cap hits and how soon can they get out of the deal, without eating massive amounts of DM.

Folks in here have been saying the market dictates the worth. What I said is well let the market do just that instead of paying him whatever the hell he wants. Why is that so hard to grasp? Why the pushback? No one is saying don't pay him. We as fans should want as much flexibility as possible in regards to the cap, so they can continue to put proven good players around him.

My god all anyone talked about this yr is how bad whatever position you want to complain about is. Well how the hell do you expect to get better? Having a good team cost $$$

thats what i don't get the passion you are putting towards this..

say brock gets the 4yr 240m headline.. We know the numbers won't be true

Hence why I constantly say no to Dak money. Again look at HIS deal. It is not fluff made up money. He's getting most of that cash. Same with Burrow.

love's deal is basically a 3 yr $163m deal if GB wants it to be. There's fluff to make the total look bigger. Cool do that with Brock.

Dak's deal is basically a 4 yr $236M deal, A LOT of that s**t is GTD his cap hits the next 3 yrs is $90M, $68M, $61M and it's real money, not massive cap hits with no GTD cash.

We hardly sign gtd money to the full amount.. we don't get close to the full amount for big time signings.

I don't see us making a signing like that..

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

He outplayed his contract by a mile

Imagine somebody gets you out of one of the biggest f**k ups in your line of works history, and he did it for peanuts

You wouldn't pay him back? You would keep making him work for peanuts and risking injury when he doesn't have to anymore?

So pay him something like Love got. Life changing money that a 7th rd pick never thought he would see ever. Go improve and get another deal in a couple yrs. Eating up a sizable % of the cap when everyone is complaining about the roster currently isn't gonna help him or anyone else.

He ate up 1 mil and we had a s**tty roster, so I guess it doesn't matter either way

You've basically come full circle back to what we've been saying the whole time lol. Pay him 55 mil range. Calm down about structure we've never done anything like the Cowboys did with Dak and we aren't going to start now. Chill out lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
This is what I know of the Purdy situation. I have been watching this team since the Montana era and Purdy is the best all around QB since Young Sure you can argue some athletic traits but overall he is the best they have had in what 30 years! I see a bunch of crying about what number to pay him but no legitimate replacement. Darnold is not legitimate. There's no can't miss in the draft and no free agent close to him. Pay him and move on. And don't give me you can't build a team once you pay him crap The playoffs are littered with teams paying there QB. Philly has no problem signing free agents and paying stars at wr. Sequin, Henry, they had no problem adding talent. Weak argument.

Philly has always structured contracts much different, they have tons of void yrs and DM. They have good players that they can consistently restructure to save cash.

Hurts also has some fake $97M cap hit in the last yr of his deal that voids. His deal was basically a 5 yr deal for $208M, his cap hit never goes higher than $41M yet folks run around using APY saying it's over $50M which isn't true. Philly has had to move on from good players damn near every yr, they draft very well and that's what keeps them going.

as far as Baltimore goes, cool they signed a RB who are cheaper than just about anyone else (besides CMC of course). Henry is making like $8M a yr. Who they paying at WR? They're also losing players every yr. They're not paying EDGE or OL currently.

SF WILL have to be better at drafting, unless you think having a $900K starting QB wasn't a benefit here? They have top 5 paid players at OT/WR/EDGE/LBer/RB.. that's not even talking about the Lenior deal and the massive bust signing for Hardgrave. they got nothing meaningful at DL outside of Bosa. We all agree the OL is a mess. We got one startable LBer.

Great so you're saying that they are all able to sign players. Got it!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So pay him something like Love got. Life changing money that a 7th rd pick never thought he would see ever. Go improve and get another deal in a couple yrs. Eating up a sizable % of the cap when everyone is complaining about the roster currently isn't gonna help him or anyone else.

i'd do 5 year 200m. set brock and the team up for success. if he wants the be the top player in pay then he needs a reality check

all said and done that contract will end up being cheaper when you take out the fluff. Majority of the contracts do..

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Almost 1/3 of QBs average $50 mil per year. So $50 million isn't elite money.

No they aren't, cap-wise. Please stop with these old wives tales and maybe some middle ground can be found. Here, again, are the top QB Cap hits for next year:

1. Dak Prescott (DAL) - $89.9 million
2. Deshaun Watson (CLE) - $72.9 million
3. Patrick Mahomes (KC) - $66.3 million
4. Derek Carr (NO) - $51.5 million
5. Matthew Stafford (LAR) - $49.7 million
6. Lamar Jackson (BAL) - $43.5 million
7. Jalen Hurts (PHI) - $42.0 million
8. Aaron Rodgers (NYJ) - $37.5 million
9. Trevor Lawrence (JAX) - $37.5 million
10. Joe Burrow (CIN) - $35.3 million

I'm seeing 4 @ over $50M next year,...nowhere close to 10.

They were talking about AAV. For 2025 cap hits for quarterbacks, this is what I'm seeing.

1. Dak Prescott, DAL, QB, $89,896,666
2. Deshaun Watson, CLE, QB, $72,935,000
3. Patrick Mahomes, KC, QB, $66,258,269
4. Derek Carr, NO, QB, $51,458,000
5. Matthew Stafford, LAR, QB, $49,666,667
6. Joe Burrow, CIN, QB, $46,250,000
7. Kyler Murray, ARI, QB, $45,614,500
8. Geno Smith, SEA, QB, $44,500,000
9. Lamar Jackson, BAL, QB, $43,650,000
10. Josh Allen, BUF, QB, $43,231,281

Here are the top 10 in AAV.

1. Dak Prescott, DAL, QB, $60,000,000
2. Joe Burrow, CIN, QB, $55,000,000
3. Jordan Love, GB, QB, $55,000,000
4. Trevor Lawrence, JAX, QB, $55,000,000
5. Tua Tagovailoa, MIA, QB, $53,100,000
6. Jared Goff, DET, QB, $53,000,000
7. Justin Herbert, LAC, QB, $52,500,000
8. Lamar Jackson, BAL, QB, $52,000,000
9. Jalen Hurts, PHI, QB, $51,000,000
10. Kyler Murray, ARI, QB, $46,100,000

How many of those QBs are worth the money? 10 per cent.

In the NFL, the franchise tag for a quarterback is the average of the top five salaries at the position for the current year, or 120% of the player's previous salary, whichever is greater.

Explanation

The franchise tag is a tool that teams can use to retain a player who is about to become an unrestricted free agent.
There are two types of franchise tags: exclusive and non-exclusive.
The non-exclusive tag is more common and allows the player to negotiate with other teams.
If the player signs with another team, the original team can match the offer or receive two first-round draft picks.
If the player rejects the franchise tag, they are unable to sign with another NFL team for the season.

I would say that in the bold is why there has been no movement when a team has Franchised a QB plus the money.

I guess that would be 55.6 mil franchise tag for Brock if that were to transpire?

Trade him to the Seahawks he sucks. He will tank their team.

Bring cousins in or darnold or draft a QB and plug and play. We be back in the SB next year for sure ...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So pay him something like Love got. Life changing money that a 7th rd pick never thought he would see ever. Go improve and get another deal in a couple yrs. Eating up a sizable % of the cap when everyone is complaining about the roster currently isn't gonna help him or anyone else.

i'd do 5 year 200m. set brock and the team up for success. if he wants the be the top player in pay then he needs a reality check

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
How many of those QBs are worth the money? 10 per cent.

What is your criteria for "worth the money"?