QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Typecast:
Yea, a negotiation with Brock. I don't think this negotiation is a particularly difficult one. The team has spent the last season at a minimum getting ready to make the plunge to pay Purdy. Jed, Lynch, Kyle, all talk about Purdy as if he's the franchise QB. The only thing left to do is pay him like one. I'm just soured on Paraag's contract negotiating skills.

I'm saying I'd be surprised if it was a quick negotiation, given the past ones we've seen (some of them you highlighted). It's funny you mention you've soured on Paraag's negotiation skills. I look at them as a positive, though I think you seemingly have a deeper understanding of contracts than I do. I'm still not a fan of his though.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

20 minutes of Brock Purdy highlights
pic.twitter.com/WFQuYgr2px https://t.co/LANRYDcOCT

— FoN9ne (@FoN9ne) January 15, 2025

meh

A lot of game manager stuff there.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hence why I constantly say no to Dak money. Again look at HIS deal. It is not fluff made up money. He's getting most of that cash. Same with Burrow.

love's deal is basically a 3 yr $163m deal if GB wants it to be. There's fluff to make the total look bigger. Cool do that with Brock.

Dak's deal is basically a 4 yr $236M deal, A LOT of that s**t is GTD his cap hits the next 3 yrs is $90M, $68M, $61M and it's real money, not massive cap hits with no GTD cash.

Structurally, the Dak and Love contracts aren't too different.

• Dak
  • 269M in total cash over 5 years, 231M practically guaranteed
    • 2024 - 81.25M gtd at signing
    • 2025 - 47.75M gtd at signing
    • 2026 - 40M guarantees 3/25
    • 2027 - 45M guarantees 3/26
    • 2028 - 17M guarantees 3/27. 38M remaining is never-guaranteed
• Love
  • 231M in total cash over 5 years, 160.3M practically guaranteed
    • 2024 - 79M gtd at signing
    • 2025 - 13M gtd at signing
    • 2026 - 51M, 10.4M gtd at signing, 40.1M remainder guarantees 3/25
    • 2027 - 20M, guarantees 3/26. 23M remaining is never guaranteed
    • 2028 - 45M is never guaranteed.

The problem with Dak's deal was that his previous deal had 29M in salary left and 66.9M in unaccounted for cap allocations. The Cowboys are still paying for the mistake of not extending Dak early the last time around. Love only carried over 11M in compensation (salary + workout bonus) and 7M in unaccounted for cap allocations. Love's deal simply has 1 full season less guaranteed and 18M less still owed from the previous contract.

The cap hits on Dak's deal is a product of the unaccounted for cap allocations that resulted from Dak's previous deal. The Cowboys are still paying the price for not extending Dak's rookie contract and waiting to the point that his deal was a completely new contract. Giving Dak the free franchise tag credit in 2021 also didn't help.

So what you're saying is the best thing to do is extend Purdy now, and not wait until his rookie contract is over. That will avoid "a contract like Dak's."

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So pay him something like Love got. Life changing money that a 7th rd pick never thought he would see ever. Go improve and get another deal in a couple yrs. Eating up a sizable % of the cap when everyone is complaining about the roster currently isn't gonna help him or anyone else.

i'd do 5 year 200m. set brock and the team up for success. if he wants the be the top player in pay then he needs a reality check

You two are nuts. By your logic, why even pay him Love money or $40m per? $10m/year would change his life, so just offer that. You keep saying he won't hold out no matter what, so just offer him backup money.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not saying don't sign him. I'm saying don't sign him for Dak/Burrow money.

I think the way the love contract is setup that makes the most sense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As far as I can tell it's essentially a 3 yrs $163M deal and reasonable cap hits.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares about APY? it's the most hollow metric ever regarding the cap.

warner and kittle's cap hits have never been higher than $12M since they've been here.

@49allthetime

All from today's conversation. Shrugs.

Its actually insane how much NY has been arguing when he has posts like this. We all know he won't be seeing 5 guaranteed years and $300m guaranteed dollars. So it literally makes zero sense that he continues arguing with no one.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its actually insane how much NY has been arguing when he has posts like this. We all know he won't be seeing 5 guaranteed years and $300m guaranteed dollars. So it literally makes zero sense that he continues arguing with no one.

I highly doubt he gets a deal like that as well, but nobody actually knows what's going to happen, and NY is *mostly* arguing about what he thinks the team should do… not what fans think.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
SF WILL have to be better at drafting, unless you think having a $900K starting QB wasn't a benefit here? They have top 5 paid players at OT/WR/EDGE/LBer/RB.. that's not even talking about the Lenior deal and the massive bust signing for Hardgrave. they got nothing meaningful at DL outside of Bosa. We all agree the OL is a mess. We got one startable LBer.

And yet, we won't have ANY of that once Purdy's big extension kicks in. So what exactly are you worried about? In 2027, we won't have Trent. In 2027, we won't have CMC unless he takes a massive paycut. In 2027, Bosa won't be top 5 at his position. In 2027, Warner won't be top 5 at his position. In 2027, Aiyuk wont be top 5 at his position. In 2027, Hargrave won't be on the team.

People acting like Brock's extension means we will have a bunch of scrubs around him are worrying about nothing.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its actually insane how much NY has been arguing when he has posts like this. We all know he won't be seeing 5 guaranteed years and $300m guaranteed dollars. So it literally makes zero sense that he continues arguing with no one.

I highly doubt he gets a deal like that as well, but nobody actually knows what's going to happen, and NY is *mostly* arguing about what he thinks the team should do… not what fans think.

Then why are people tripping about how big his contract is? If we give him 5 years and $300m, it will be built in a way that we can get out of it by year 3. And if we don't want to get out if it, that means he's living up to the contract, and we will likely restructure/extend him to help the teams cap even more.

I really don't understand why people are scared of locking him up. Makes zero sense.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Then why are people tripping about how big his contract is? If we give him 5 years and $300m, it will be built in a way that we can get out of it by year 3. And if we don't want to get out if it, that means he's living up to the contract, and we will likely restructure/extend him to help the teams cap even more.

I really don't understand why people are scared of locking him up. Makes zero sense.

I can't speak for them, because my own personal opinion is different. I just don't think it's a big deal to have a conversation around points that may end up moot.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not saying don't sign him. I'm saying don't sign him for Dak/Burrow money.

I think the way the love contract is setup that makes the most sense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As far as I can tell it's essentially a 3 yrs $163M deal and reasonable cap hits.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares about APY? it's the most hollow metric ever regarding the cap.

warner and kittle's cap hits have never been higher than $12M since they've been here.

@49allthetime

All from today's conversation. Shrugs.

Its actually insane how much NY has been arguing when he has posts like this. We all know he won't be seeing 5 guaranteed years and $300m guaranteed dollars. So it literally makes zero sense that he continues arguing with no one.

Bro was basically non-existent in this thread while Purdy was balling for 2+ seasons. He's been waiting patiently for this moment of weakness to unleash his frustration. Lol

Originally posted by bud49:
I guess that would be 55.6 mil franchise tag for Brock if that were to transpire?

The exclusive franchise tag is calculated at the end of the restricted free agent signing period in late April. Before then, all franchise tagged players are tagged for the tender amount of the non-exclusive franchise tag.

Purdy still has 1 year left on his deal, so he cannot be franchise tagged this offseason. If he plays this season without an extension, he'll have a salary around 5.2M. The non-exclusive franchise tag for quarterbacks will be around 43-45M next year, so he would get that since it's higher than 120% of his previous salary.

Originally posted by bud49:
If the player signs with another team, the original team can match the offer or receive two first-round draft picks.

I would say that in the bold is why there has been no movement when a team has Franchised a QB plus the money.

When another team signs the player to an offer sheet, that offer sheet counts against that teams salary cap until the players prior team makes a decision on whether to match. If the new club tries to position itself to price out the prior team, the new club could have to manipulate existing contracts to create the cap space needed to take on the offer sheet. It's all too risky when a much safer and cheaper alternative exists. Trades. New clubs don't have to manipulate any contracts to accommodate the new contract until the trade is submitted to the league.

Teams also don't like to mess with other teams out of fear of retribution. In 2006, Steve Hutchinson was transition tagged by the Seahawks. Minnesota couldn't price out the Seahawks, so they inserted a poison pill that would turn the Seahawks off from matching. The contract offered by Minnesota was for 49M/7yrs with 16M guaranteed. If Hutchinson was not the highest paid offensive lineman on his team at signing, his contract would become fully guaranteed. The Vikings had no lineman making more than 7M AAV. The Seahawks had Walter Jones making more. The Seahawks filed a complaint and the arbitrator ruled that the Vikings poison pill wasn't prohibited by the CBA. In response, the Seahawks signed Vikings restricted free agent WR Nate Burleson to a 49M/7yr contract. In the contract were 2 poison pills. First, if Burleson played in five or more games in the state of Minnesota in any year of the contract, his entire contract becomes fully guaranteed. Second, if Burleson made more than all of the running backs combined on his team, his contract becomes fully guaranteed. Playing in Seattle and alongside Shaun Alexander made the contract safe for Seattle. Both teams were angry with each other. Other teams were upset with both teams. In response, the league unofficially banned poison pills until they were officially banned through the 2011 CBA.