QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Typecast:
I was just looking at QBs that had contracts since 2016. It's a really small group of players. Teams will just draft a guy and roll with them or sign a journeyman to hold down the position until the rookie is ready.

I'm also not debating. Nothing I say or do will impact the 49ers decision. Every indication from the team thus far is that they are all-in on him as their franchise QB. He is getting paid.

i don't disagree he'll get paid. question is how much.

you kind of indicate there is no major market for brock with your bold, and i feel the same. if vegas would prefer their own rook, or some reclamation project, then we don't have to worry about a team like that bidding up for brock. so in going from 40m aav to 60m aav we simply bid against ourselves is my view.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. The only thing I've said regarding Brock is that he's in the franchise QB tier and that franchise QBs are expensive. Extending franchise quarterbacks has nothing to do with bidding. It's a price tag. You either pay it or you don't.

i was just reading your words on what i bolded. i do think clubs prefer the rook path or the cheap journeyman path. and that's how i interpreted your remarks, on what clubs generally like to do. feel free to flesh it out for me more if i am not picking up your meaning on that.

i do think bidding is part of the equation generally speaking. in this negotiation, the player wants to be here, and the club wants the player. so i see a pretty quick deal.

the price tag deal is not making sense imo. purdy can set his price tag at 60m aav. if no nfl team is willing to bid that high, or pay that much then the price comes down.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I'm predicting Brock signs a 3 year $100 million contract.

5 year $250 million.

Probably. 4 year 200 million vs 5 year 250 million with hopefully an out (if needed) after year 3 is likely the contract he should get.

the fear is he will demand 4 year 250 million vs 5 year 300 million range, and that's a bit rich for a guy that can't throw in inclement weather…

I don't think he's desperate, they'll settle somewhere in between.

They need money to extend Brendel and McKivitz!

f**k them they suck, we can replace them with draft picks. We need to lock up Dirty.

I know, I am just fanning the flames

Everything is quiet right now, got to do something to kill the time.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I'm predicting Brock signs a 3 year $100 million contract.

5 year $250 million.

Probably. 4 year 200 million vs 5 year 250 million with hopefully an out (if needed) after year 3 is likely the contract he should get.

the fear is he will demand 4 year 250 million vs 5 year 300 million range, and that's a bit rich for a guy that can't throw in inclement weather…

I don't think he's desperate, they'll settle somewhere in between.

They need money to extend Brendel and McKivitz!

f**k them they suck, we can replace them with draft picks. We need to lock up Dirty.

He was being sarcastic...lol

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I'm predicting Brock signs a 3 year $100 million contract.

5 year $250 million.

Probably. 4 year 200 million vs 5 year 250 million with hopefully an out (if needed) after year 3 is likely the contract he should get.

the fear is he will demand 4 year 250 million vs 5 year 300 million range, and that's a bit rich for a guy that can't throw in inclement weather…

I don't think he's desperate, they'll settle somewhere in between.

They need money to extend Brendel and McKivitz!

f**k them they suck, we can replace them with draft picks. We need to lock up Dirty.

He was being sarcastic...lol

can't tell anymore lol

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
It was clearly broken down in here that the Love and Dak deals aren't far apart. Dak simply had money carried over from his previous deal. And Dak's bad deal could have been avoided if the Cowboys extended him early. But they waited, and are now paying more. Which coincidentally you and others are saying to do. Bottom line is we either decide he's our guy and pay him now or trade him.

Who broke it down?

they are not close to the same. Dak has practical guarantees of $230M , love is $160M. From what I remember Dak was in the last yr of his deal and has no GTD cash left. Not sure what he was carrying over?

Dak's cap hit this next 3 yrs

$90M, $68M, $62M before they can think about moving on.

love's cap hit the next 3 yrs

$29M, $36M, $42M (and they can move on that season).

Also the difference with those two is they got paid coming of one of their best seasons.

Dude, he replied to YOU directly:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hence why I constantly say no to Dak money. Again look at HIS deal. It is not fluff made up money. He's getting most of that cash. Same with Burrow.

love's deal is basically a 3 yr $163m deal if GB wants it to be. There's fluff to make the total look bigger. Cool do that with Brock.

Dak's deal is basically a 4 yr $236M deal, A LOT of that s**t is GTD his cap hits the next 3 yrs is $90M, $68M, $61M and it's real money, not massive cap hits with no GTD cash.

Structurally, the Dak and Love contracts aren't too different.

• Dak
  
  269M in total cash over 5 years, 231M practically guaranteed
  
  2024 - 81.25M gtd at signing
• 2025 - 47.75M gtd at signing
• 2026 - 40M guarantees 3/25
• 2027 - 45M guarantees 3/26
• 2028 - 17M guarantees 3/27. 38M remaining is never-guaranteed

• Love
  
  
  231M in total cash over 5 years, 160.3M practically guaranteed
  
  
  
  2024 - 79M gtd at signing
• 2025 - 13M gtd at signing
• 2026 - 51M, 10.4M gtd at signing, 40.1M remainder guarantees 3/25
• 2027 - 20M, guarantees 3/26. 23M remaining is never guaranteed
• 2028 - 45M is never guaranteed.
  
  The problem with Dak's deal was that his previous deal had 29M in salary left and 66.9M in unaccounted for cap allocations. The Cowboys are still paying for the mistake of not extending Dak early the last time around. Love only carried over 11M in compensation (salary + workout bonus) and 7M in unaccounted for cap allocations. Love's deal simply has 1 full season less guaranteed and 18M less still owed from the previous contract.
  
  The cap hits on Dak's deal is a product of the unaccounted for cap allocations that resulted from Dak's previous deal. The Cowboys are still paying the price for not extending Dak's rookie contract and waiting to the point that his deal was a completely new contract. Giving Dak the free franchise tag credit in 2021 also didn't help.

This is why you keep getting called out in this thread.

Bump so everyone can see that Dak's contract was clearly explained to NY. Today he pretended to never see it, and now he's saying it's because of the time difference. Except once he did see it, he deleted it and didn't address the post.

You might be fooling some people, but not me (or charliesheen lol).

Thst post was really insightful and gave me a better perspective as to why the situations aren't comparable and highlight the benefits of getting a deal done now.

It's honestly strange to me how so many of these Purdy haters can't wrap their minds around this. We're negotiating an EXTENSION. Meaning his salary for 2025 is still just $1M. If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.

It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable). Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Typecast:
I was just looking at QBs that had contracts since 2016. It's a really small group of players. Teams will just draft a guy and roll with them or sign a journeyman to hold down the position until the rookie is ready.

I'm also not debating. Nothing I say or do will impact the 49ers decision. Every indication from the team thus far is that they are all-in on him as their franchise QB. He is getting paid.

i don't disagree he'll get paid. question is how much.

you kind of indicate there is no major market for brock with your bold, and i feel the same. if vegas would prefer their own rook, or some reclamation project, then we don't have to worry about a team like that bidding up for brock. so in going from 40m aav to 60m aav we simply bid against ourselves is my view.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. The only thing I've said regarding Brock is that he's in the franchise QB tier and that franchise QBs are expensive. Extending franchise quarterbacks has nothing to do with bidding. It's a price tag. You either pay it or you don't.

The bolded is another thing these guys aren't understanding. Extensions are not based on a bidding process of asking other teams how much they'd pay for a certain player.

Originally posted by Furlow:
It's honestly strange to me how so many of these Purdy haters can't wrap their minds around this. We're negotiating an EXTENSION. Meaning his salary for 2025 is still just $1M. If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.

It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable). Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.

This is all based on the assumption that he plays really well next season. Personally I'd be a lot happier paying a higher price after next season, because it will have meant he had a very good season and would be on the ascent.

It seems like it's hard for some to understand this argument because they are convinced Purdy is the guy now.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
It was clearly broken down in here that the Love and Dak deals aren't far apart. Dak simply had money carried over from his previous deal. And Dak's bad deal could have been avoided if the Cowboys extended him early. But they waited, and are now paying more. Which coincidentally you and others are saying to do. Bottom line is we either decide he's our guy and pay him now or trade him.

Who broke it down?

they are not close to the same. Dak has practical guarantees of $230M , love is $160M. From what I remember Dak was in the last yr of his deal and has no GTD cash left. Not sure what he was carrying over?

Dak's cap hit this next 3 yrs

$90M, $68M, $62M before they can think about moving on.

love's cap hit the next 3 yrs

$29M, $36M, $42M (and they can move on that season).

Also the difference with those two is they got paid coming of one of their best seasons.

Dude, he replied to YOU directly:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hence why I constantly say no to Dak money. Again look at HIS deal. It is not fluff made up money. He's getting most of that cash. Same with Burrow.

love's deal is basically a 3 yr $163m deal if GB wants it to be. There's fluff to make the total look bigger. Cool do that with Brock.

Dak's deal is basically a 4 yr $236M deal, A LOT of that s**t is GTD his cap hits the next 3 yrs is $90M, $68M, $61M and it's real money, not massive cap hits with no GTD cash.

Structurally, the Dak and Love contracts aren't too different.

• Dak
  
  269M in total cash over 5 years, 231M practically guaranteed
  
  2024 - 81.25M gtd at signing
• 2025 - 47.75M gtd at signing
• 2026 - 40M guarantees 3/25
• 2027 - 45M guarantees 3/26
• 2028 - 17M guarantees 3/27. 38M remaining is never-guaranteed

• Love
  
  
  231M in total cash over 5 years, 160.3M practically guaranteed
  
  
  
  2024 - 79M gtd at signing
• 2025 - 13M gtd at signing
• 2026 - 51M, 10.4M gtd at signing, 40.1M remainder guarantees 3/25
• 2027 - 20M, guarantees 3/26. 23M remaining is never guaranteed
• 2028 - 45M is never guaranteed.
  
  The problem with Dak's deal was that his previous deal had 29M in salary left and 66.9M in unaccounted for cap allocations. The Cowboys are still paying for the mistake of not extending Dak early the last time around. Love only carried over 11M in compensation (salary + workout bonus) and 7M in unaccounted for cap allocations. Love's deal simply has 1 full season less guaranteed and 18M less still owed from the previous contract.
  
  The cap hits on Dak's deal is a product of the unaccounted for cap allocations that resulted from Dak's previous deal. The Cowboys are still paying the price for not extending Dak's rookie contract and waiting to the point that his deal was a completely new contract. Giving Dak the free franchise tag credit in 2021 also didn't help.

This is why you keep getting called out in this thread.

Bump so everyone can see that Dak's contract was clearly explained to NY. Today he pretended to never see it, and now he's saying it's because of the time difference. Except once he did see it, he deleted it and didn't address the post.

You might be fooling some people, but not me (or charliesheen lol).

Thst post was really insightful and gave me a better perspective as to why the situations aren't comparable and highlight the benefits of getting a deal done now.

It's honestly strange to me how so many of these Purdy haters can't wrap their minds around this. We're negotiating an EXTENSION. Meaning his salary for 2025 is still just $1M. If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.

It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable). Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.

Ya this is pretty much accurate. You can't make him playout his final year with us without risking f**king up that relationship. Franchise tag should be out of the question for cap reason as well.

If we can get him on a Love type deal that would be perfect.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
It's honestly strange to me how so many of these Purdy haters can't wrap their minds around this. We're negotiating an EXTENSION. Meaning his salary for 2025 is still just $1M. If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.

It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable). Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.

This is all based on the assumption that he plays really well next season. Personally I'd be a lot happier paying a higher price after next season, because it will have meant he had a very good season and would be on the ascent.

It seems like it's hard for some to understand this argument because they are convinced Purdy is the guy now.

This is why we're glad you're not the GM.

We already know Purdy is "the guy" because he's performed like it. He's not just the QB in name, managing the game and relying on his teammates (that was Jimmy G and Alex Smith's style). The difference is night and day and it's weird that some of you don't see that.

If you're not convinced that he's the guy, then trade him for what you can get. Use those picks to build up the roster or move up to draft someone tall who can throw it far and hope that he's also "the guy."

It just does not make any sense to make him (and hope he agrees) play a lame duck year and then pay him even more money afterwards. That would close our window so much faster than just extending him now (like the Cowboys).

Originally posted by Furlow:
It's honestly strange to me how so many of these Purdy haters can't wrap their minds around this. We're negotiating an EXTENSION. Meaning his salary for 2025 is still just $1M. If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.

It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable). Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.

i for one would never play him into his final year. that doesn't seem like legit NFL tactics to me. probably have a mutiny on your hands.

pros

saved shanalynch
we could pivot off lance who is terrible
plays fast

i think once you get up to 40m AAV country, that's QB1 dollars, no question about it. the debate is 40 on the low side or 60 on the high side. either way, he's doing great from a savings and retirement pov, and i am genuinely happy for him. he sat there watched the whole draft get called in front of him, that had to sting. so this is his redemption in a sense, his validation.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
It's honestly strange to me how so many of these Purdy haters can't wrap their minds around this. We're negotiating an EXTENSION. Meaning his salary for 2025 is still just $1M. If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.

It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable). Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.

This is all based on the assumption that he plays really well next season. Personally I'd be a lot happier paying a higher price after next season, because it will have meant he had a very good season and would be on the ascent.

It seems like it's hard for some to understand this argument because they are convinced Purdy is the guy now.

Its not hard for us to understand because we are convinced Purdy is the guy. Its hard for us to understand because its not realistic in the slightest bit. So what you feel comfortable with will NEVER happen.

Originally posted by Furlow:
This is why we're glad you're not the GM.

We already know Purdy is "the guy" because he's performed like it. He's not just the QB in name, managing the game and relying on his teammates (that was Jimmy G and Alex Smith's style). The difference is night and day and it's weird that some of you don't see that.

If you're not convinced that he's the guy, then trade him for what you can get. Use those picks to build up the roster or move up to draft someone tall who can throw it far and hope that he's also "the guy."

It just does not make any sense to make him (and hope he agrees) play a lame duck year and then pay him even more money afterwards. That would close our window so much faster than just extending him now (like the Cowboys).

I also am not sure that he isn't the guy. He looked like it one year, and now I have doubts. It's a fact the team was a mess around him so I'd like to see what it looks like in another season.

I also understand it's a tough ask and ultimately a gamble to expect him to play on the final year of his deal. No matter what moves the 49ers make to try and prevent it, he could ultimately hold out and the season could be in jeopardy.

There are things we can do besides just giving him a Jordan Love/Herbert/Tua contract. We could offer a Mayfield type deal. We could get creative and give him a shorter deal at a high number with more guarantees. It's not black and white, and your evaluation and mine ultimately mean nothing. When it's hundreds of millions of dollars and your job's on the line, people are smart to evaluate all options.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its not hard for us to understand because we are convinced Purdy is the guy. Its hard for us to understand because its not realistic in the slightest bit. So what you feel comfortable with will NEVER happen.

Lol, ok.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
It's honestly strange to me how so many of these Purdy haters can't wrap their minds around this. We're negotiating an EXTENSION. Meaning his salary for 2025 is still just $1M. If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.

It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable). Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.

i for one would never play him into his final year. that doesn't seem like legit NFL tactics to me. probably have a mutiny on your hands.

pros

saved shanalynch
we could pivot off lance who is terrible
plays fast

i think once you get up to 40m AAV country, that's QB1 dollars, no question about it. the debate is 40 on the low side or 60 on the high side. either way, he's doing great from a savings and retirement pov, and i am genuinely happy for him. he sat there watched the whole draft get called in front of him, that had to sting. so this is his redemption in a sense, his validation.

$40m for QB1 was 4 years ago, bro. Inflation. Exploding salary cap. Value relative to peers. Focus.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

This is all based on the assumption that he plays really well next season. Personally I'd be a lot happier paying a higher price after next season, because it will have meant he had a very good season and would be on the ascent.

It seems like it's hard for some to understand this argument because they are convinced Purdy is the guy now.

If he plays well all this will do is make you feel better about signing him. And it will make you pay more. Problem is Brock Purdys 2025 does not decide his career. He could still not pan out. Now you're a year behind and paying more on top of that

If he doesn't play well, you could be the rams shipping Warner out for Bulger. Putting it all on one season puts you at a high chance of getting this wrong