QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is a never ending argument because some posters refuse to acknowledge what the QB market is, and what his peers are.

It's neverending because some never see the other side of the coin with their arguments and don't learn lessons when they're wrong.

Again, nobody is arguing that Brock shouldn't ask for deals in the range of Love, Tua, Lawrence etc. We should at least be open to the idea that these weren't smart moves in the first place.

Tell me how many times you've seen this model work out in SBs for teams?

I dont understand how you can say we arent learning lessons when we are wrong, when we are literally arguing reality. You and the posters who are trying to push an idea that doesnt happen in the NFL are trying to reinvent what the QB Market is. Its not that we cant see your argument. We see it just fine.

Would I prefer Brock is signed to a 3 year $100M contract rather than a 5 year $300M contract? Absolutely. That would be incredible. I would also prefer to come home from work everyday and find Scarlett Johansson waiting in my bed with dinner in the oven. Neither of which are going to happen.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I dont understand how you can say we arent learning lessons when we are wrong, when we are literally arguing reality. You and the posters who are trying to push an idea that doesnt happen in the NFL are trying to reinvent what the QB Market is. Its not that we cant see your argument. We see it just fine.

Would I prefer Brock is signed to a 3 year $100M contract rather than a 5 year $300M contract? Absolutely. That would be incredible. I would also prefer to come home from work everyday and find Scarlett Johansson waiting in my bed with dinner in the oven. Neither of which are going to happen.

Even I have acknowledged it's unlikely to happen. We can discuss whether it's the right move or not. Whether just going with the flow of the NFL, regardless of the results, is actually smart in our specific case.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Bills and Ravens didn't have more talent on the field than us this year? How lol?

That's the only answer no matter who you sign. Unless you expect guys like Lamar and Allen to carry you to a SB with less talent. Something they haven't done in 8 tries

Exactly!

If you believe those teams are more talented than us, and they have better QBs than us, why would you expect us to be successful when we are attempting to do the same with lesser players?

Look at this team. We have aging superstars, some coming off major injuries, and holes up and down the roster.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I dont understand how you can say we arent learning lessons when we are wrong, when we are literally arguing reality. You and the posters who are trying to push an idea that doesnt happen in the NFL are trying to reinvent what the QB Market is. Its not that we cant see your argument. We see it just fine.

Would I prefer Brock is signed to a 3 year $100M contract rather than a 5 year $300M contract? Absolutely. That would be incredible. I would also prefer to come home from work everyday and find Scarlett Johansson waiting in my bed with dinner in the oven. Neither of which are going to happen.

Even I have acknowledged it's unlikely to happen. We can discuss whether it's the right move or not. Whether just going with the flow of the NFL, regardless of the results, is actually smart in our specific case.

Ultimately it comes down to this question: Do you want Brock Purdy to be our quarterback for the next 3-4 years at minimum?

If the answer is yes, then you will have to come to grips with the fact that he will be signing a contract similar to his peers. It is really that simple. Myself, Furlow, and others have never once said that we WANT him to sign a $50-60M a year deal. Obviously, we would want him to sign for substantially less. But since we want Brock to be our QB for the foreseeable future, we acknowledge the reality of what it would cost for that to happen.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

The Bills and Ravens didn't have more talent on the field than us this year? How lol?

That's the only answer no matter who you sign. Unless you expect guys like Lamar and Allen to carry you to a SB with less talent. Something they haven't done in 8 tries

Exactly!

If you believe those teams are more talented than us, and they have better QBs than us, why would you expect us to be successful when we are attempting to do the same with lesser players?

Look at this team. We have aging superstars, some coming off major injuries, and holes up and down the roster.

Just have to hit in the draft and go to battle. Try to get in the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may. I know our qb won't fold, and that's half the battle

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Ultimately it comes down to this question: Do you want Brock Purdy to be our quarterback for the next 3-4 years at minimum?

If the answer is yes, then you will have to come to grips with the fact that he will be signing a contract similar to his peers. It is really that simple. Myself, Furlow, and others have never once said that we WANT him to sign a $50-60M a year deal. Obviously, we would want him to sign for substantially less. But since we want Brock to be our QB for the foreseeable future, we acknowledge the reality of what it would cost for that to happen.

Speak for yourself. Furlow has made emotion based arguments about humanity, capitalism, and 'owing' Purdy. Absolute inanity.

Regardless, what I see you mainly arguing is that we have to do this because other teams did. We can't possibly attempt to go against the grain in pretty much any capacity because 'this is the way it's done in the NFL'.

Anyway, the top of your post is at least around the point. My answer is I'm not sure, at best.

Purdy iis gonna get signed by the 49ers whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just have to hit in the draft and go to battle. Try to get in the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may. I know our qb won't fold, and that's half the battle

You need well above normal draft success, like I mentioned in a previous post. And that's really to just try to approach a situation that already didn't work for us. Not saying it can't in the future, because one play could have changed the outcome for us. But at the same time, I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect we have another roster like we had the past few seasons anytime soon. That was probably our best team since the 90s.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Just have to hit in the draft and go to battle. Try to get in the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may. I know our qb won't fold, and that's half the battle

You need well above normal draft success, like I mentioned in a previous post. And that's really to just try to approach a situation that already didn't work for us. Not saying it can't in the future, because one play could have changed the outcome for us. But at the same time, I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect we have another roster like we had the past few seasons anytime soon. That was probably our best team since the 90s.

Patriots didn't win with their best team. It's arguable Joe didn't win on his best team. Doesn't mean you just give up. Did the NYG give up because people didn't think their qb was elite? No but they had a guy they could go to battle with and that's what they did

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Patriots didn't win with their best team. It's arguable Joe didn't win on his best team. Doesn't mean you just give up. Did the NYG give up because people didn't think their qb was elite? No but they had a guy they could go to battle with and that's what they did

The Giants and Ravens are examples that buck the clear trend, but they're also different (especially the Ravens) because those QB's got huge deals after they won. They also weren't on rookie pay scale deals like you see today.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Patriots didn't win with their best team. It's arguable Joe didn't win on his best team. Doesn't mean you just give up. Did the NYG give up because people didn't think their qb was elite? No but they had a guy they could go to battle with and that's what they did

The Giants and Ravens are examples that buck the clear trend, but they're also different (especially the Ravens) because those QB's got huge deals after they won. They also weren't on rookie pay scale deals like you see today.

The Broncos won one too with Mannings int throwing corpse. Other than that the real trend is have Brady or Mahomes. And even those trends can be bucked by many variables going a different way

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Broncos won one too with Mannings int throwing corpse. Other than that the real trend is have Brady or Mahomes. And even those trends can be bucked by many variables going a different way

And an all time great single season defense. That's usually what it takes when you don't have a stacked roster and a rookie QB contract, or a HoF level talent at QB coupled with other near league-best units and coaching.

More than one way to skin a cat for sure. Some with much more margin for error though.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by mayo49:
NY has always got to throw in a dig.

he knows his stuff on brock. brock does some things well and he does some things not well. he doesn't really throw the ball well, for example. i see guys every sunday spin it better than brock. brock does have his share of wobblers and ducks. so you pay brock, you just tone it down to a reasonable deal to factor in the good and the bad.

He knows his stuff so much he wanted Trey over Brock. We'd be a complete joke if we went the direction he wanted

Everyone complains about Brocks arm. Well, there was a guy here with an average arm that delivered us 3 Super Bowls, by the name of Joe Montana. So, this criticism of him doesn't fly with me.

Joe won 4 SB's

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

The Broncos won one too with Mannings int throwing corpse. Other than that the real trend is have Brady or Mahomes. And even those trends can be bucked by many variables going a different way

And an all time great single season defense. That's usually what it takes when you don't have a stacked roster and a rookie QB contract, or a HoF level talent at QB coupled with other near league-best units and coaching.

More than one way to skin a cat for sure. Some with much more margin for error though.

Yea it's not easy to win a SB. Boo hoo

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yea it's not easy to win a SB. Boo hoo

Lol. You really nailed it here. Let's make it harder.