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Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by CharlieSheen:He outplayed his contract by a mile
You wouldn't pay him back?
No. You restructure (which cant happen) or you negotiate new contracts for future earnings.
When market rates for houses double within a year of buying, no one goes back to the previous seller and pays them back.
But maybe you do business with them again?
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He outplayed his contract by a mile
You wouldn't pay him back?
No. You restructure (which cant happen) or you negotiate new contracts for future earnings.
When market rates for houses double within a year of buying, no one goes back to the previous seller and pays them back.
But maybe you do business with them again?
You would've benched him for Trey Lance too. Can't trust you
Originally posted by random49er:No need for your personal trust, believe me. Only here to dispel repeated nonsense.
How about you research the internet and learn about how contracts work? If you find these standard "pay back" contracts with terms for the future that the IRS don't put a magnifying glass over....please let us know.
Originally posted by Typecast:
Originally posted by Furlow:tl;dr - Purdy will make 5.2M in 2025 if he isn't extended.
Meaning [Purdy's] salary for 2025 is still just $1M.
details: non-first-round draft picks have a proven performance escalator (PPE) in their contracts. The PPE is three levels.
The fourth year salary escalates to the following
- Players qualify for level one if they
- Participate in a minimum of x% of their Club's offensive or defensive plays in any two of their first three seasons. The threshold is 60% for second-round picks and 35% for others.
- Participate in a cumulative average of at least x% of their Club's offensive or defensive plays across their first three seasons. The threshold is 60% for second-round picks and 35% for others.
- Players qualify for level two if they participate in 55% of their Club's offensive or defensive plays in each of their first three seasons.
- Players qualify for level three if they are selected to one or more Pro Bowls on the original ballot in any of their first three seasons.
- Level One - Original Draft Round RFA Tender
- Level Two - Original Draft Round RFA Tender + 250k
- Level Three - 2nd Round RFA Tender
Purdy was an original selection for the 2023 Pro Bowl which would max him out at Level Three PPE. His salary will escalate to around $5.2M in 2025. Burford had snap counts of 67.7%, 79.4%, 10.5% over his first three years, qualifying for Level One PPE. His salary will escalate to around $3.3M in 2025.
For the 2023 drafted players, % snap counts were 36.2%/44.4% for Brown (Level One) and 40.8%/30.0% for Moody.
For the 2024 drafted players, % snap counts were 63.3% for Green, 99.9% for Puni, and 70.9% for Mustapha.
Originally posted by Furlow:
If we throw a bag at him for say $40m as a signing bonus, that gets prorated over the years of the contract. It's also a way of saying "thanks bro for balling out the past three seasons and saving our jobs for spending three 1st round picks on a QB bust. Oh and getting us to two NFCCG's and a Super Bowl." That would leave a salary of probably $40m-$50m per year but only 1/2 to 3/4 would be guaranteed. We'd have an out for sure after year 2 or 3.
Most of the suggested contracts I've seen have a 60M+ signing bonus in 2025, a 30-40M option bonus in 2026, and a 20-30M option bonus in 2027. All compensation through 2027 is guaranteed-at-signing. That would keep it inline with top contracts that have guaranteed-at-signing figures in the 140s. If the three year compensation is short, a portion of the 2028 compensation is guaranteed-at-signing. 2028 compensation would become guaranteed in March 2027. 2029 compensation could possibly become guaranteed in 2028. 2030 compensation is left unguaranteed. That would bring the total guarantees upto the 180s with 4 years guaranteed, or 230s with 5 years guaranteed. 230M total guaranteed on a 305.2M total value contract (300M extension) would be 75%.
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's just insane how none of them is taking this into account. Making him play out the final year would surely piss him off (if he even agreed to it) and then there would be no discount ever from Purdy (understandable).
People need to break themselves of this mindset that Purdy is going to give the team a discount in any scenario. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Originally posted by Furlow:Yes, all of the spending on the franchise tag route would hit the cap immediately. Cash spending is like 100M (extension route) vs 50M (tag route). The cap hit difference is like 35M (extension route) vs 50M (tag route). The tag route is for the non-exclusive franchise tag. The exclusive franchise tag gets calculated toward the end of April, averaging the top 5 salaries at the position. Based on what the salaries are now and that nothing changed until May 2026, the exclusive franchise tag would be 70.359M next year. The top salaried quarterbacks are going to get restructured though.
Franchise tagging him after that would be even more expensive because that means 100% hits the cap (rather than being able to pro-rate the signing bonus during his rookie contract year. It's much more "team friendly" to extend him now.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think you're the one that doesn't understand. You guys are literally making up what the market is. The market is set by the QBs and their contracts
Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by CharlieSheen:I think you're the one that doesn't understand. You guys are literally making up what the market is. The market is set by the QBs and their contracts
No. Buyers and what they are willing to pay sets the market. As a commodity, Brock Purdy is not Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson
They are all separate commodities. Spend more time reading and less time arguing, regardless of how Trey turned out.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think you're the one that doesn't understand. You guys are literally making up what the market is. The market is set by the QBs and their contracts
No. Buyers and what they are willing to pay sets the market. As a commodity, Brock Purdy is not Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson
They are all separate commodities. Spend more time reading and less time arguing, regardless of how Trey turned out.
Markets are set by similar commodities. The NFL QB market is set by his peers. Going by the market that has been set he's worth around 59 mil. That's what he's worth according to the market
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/market-value
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I dont understand how you can say we arent learning lessons when we are wrong, when we are literally arguing reality. You and the posters who are trying to push an idea that doesnt happen in the NFL are trying to reinvent what the QB Market is. Its not that we cant see your argument. We see it just fine.
Would I prefer Brock is signed to a 3 year $100M contract rather than a 5 year $300M contract? Absolutely. That would be incredible. I would also prefer to come home from work everyday and find Scarlett Johansson waiting in my bed with dinner in the oven. Neither of which are going to happen.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Markets are set by similar commodities. The NFL QB market is set by his peers. Going by the market that has been set he's worth around 59 mil. That's what he's worth according to the market
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/market-value
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by CharlieSheen:Markets are set by similar commodities. The NFL QB market is set by his peers. Going by the market that has been set he's worth around 59 mil. That's what he's worth according to the market
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/market-value
Spotrac grabs players "they feel" avg out to the player they're forecasting. Sounds like they feel like Sam's gonna get 4yrs $160M. I'm sure you think that will happen too, right?
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think you're the one that doesn't understand. You guys are literally making up what the market is. The market is set by the QBs and their contracts
No. Buyers and what they are willing to pay sets the market. As a commodity, Brock Purdy is not Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson
They are all separate commodities. Spend more time reading and less time arguing, regardless of how Trey turned out.
Markets are set by similar commodities.
Originally posted by random49er:Purdy is nowhere near similar to those players. At least one team needs to be willing to risk high yearly cap numbers for Purdy. That sets the market for him.
If he cannot find one team willing to risk more than $30M for him yearly for 3 years, then THAT is his market value,...whether Lamar counts $60M or $80M against the cap in some years will not matter.
What is hard to understand here?
If people will not pay something, the person does not earn it.
You are talking "back pay" and all other sorts of silly sh** that just shows us you have no clue at all about the subject.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You thought he wasn't anywhere near similar to Trey Lance. Can't trust you
Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by CharlieSheen:You thought he wasn't anywhere near similar to Trey Lance. Can't trust you
Don't need your trust. Trey Lance isin't your out here.
Why didn't this guy tell teams about the contracts other QBs are getting?
Mariota is making more than that in 1 year with his latest contract.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He'll probably get something like that. Every time a qb signs that isn't elite people talk about how it's too much. Just what it is with qbs. Supply is low