QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think you're the one that doesn't understand. You guys are literally making up what the market is. The market is set by the QBs and their contracts

No. Buyers and what they are willing to pay sets the market. As a commodity, Brock Purdy is not Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson

They are all separate commodities. Spend more time reading and less time arguing, regardless of how Trey turned out.

Markets are set by similar commodities.

Purdy is nowhere near similar to those players. At least one team needs to be willing to risk high yearly cap numbers for Purdy. That sets the market for him.

If he cannot find one team willing to risk more than $30M for him yearly for 3 years, then THAT is his market value,...whether Lamar counts $60M or $80M against the cap in some years will not matter.

What is hard to understand here?

If people will not pay something, the person does not earn it.

You are talking "back pay" and all other sorts of silly sh** that just shows us you have no clue at all about the subject.

What is this finding one team willing to pay him talk, how do you even do that?

Originally posted by random49er:

Purdy is nowhere near similar to those players. At least one team needs to be willing to risk high yearly cap numbers for Purdy. That sets the market for him.

If he cannot find one team willing to risk more than $30M for him yearly for 3 years, then THAT is his market value,...whether Lamar counts $60M or $80M against the cap in some years will not matter.

What is hard to understand here?

If people will not pay something, the person does not earn it.

You are talking "back pay" and all other sorts of silly sh** that just shows us you have no clue at all about the subject.

Most good QBs never hit the FA market and get offers from other teams. The market value for these players is determined by the contracts their peers have received. These comps set the market.

My offer at my current job was based on what people with similar abilities were being paid in the market.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

What is this finding one team willing to pay him talk, how do you even do that?

You don't remember when Payton Manning and Tom Brady received all those offers from other every time they signed a contract?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I'm predicting Brock signs a 3 year $100 million contract.

5 year $250 million.

Probably. 4 year 200 million vs 5 year 250 million with hopefully an out (if needed) after year 3 is likely the contract he should get.

the fear is he will demand 4 year 250 million vs 5 year 300 million range, and that's a bit rich for a guy that can't throw in inclement weather…

I don't think he's desperate, they'll settle somewhere in between.

They need money to extend Brendel and McKivitz!

f**k them they suck, we can replace them with draft picks. We need to lock up Dirty.

He was being sarcastic...lol

can't tell anymore lol

Oh just assume I am being VERY sarcastic 99% of the time lol

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Burrow is 6'4" and has a stronger arm than Purdy. If Purdy was 6'4" with Burrow's arm strength, I'm guessing you'd have no problem with offering him a contract in the $50m-$60m range.

Burrow's arm would make me feel better. I don't need Brock to be 6'4, though that is a nice advantage.

The point about the arm is a nuanced position. Burrow has an average, maybe above average arm… nothing special. I'm not a person who thinks you need special arm talent to be a top tier QB, and I argued that point relentlessly in favor of Brock before 2023. My point then was once you were past a minimum level of arm strength, the rest was a luxury. I also believed Purdy was right near that minimum, and now that I've seen two years I question whether he's not below the minimum. It's no issue if he's facing zones, making good reads, and throwing with elite anticipation into areas of the field. He's shown he can do that.

I honestly don't know if you like Purdy or not lol. I don't think I've seen this from you, what would you offer him right now, maximum, for an extension?

Dude, you can like a player and understand there's limitations. This is why there's so much disconnect in here. It doesn't have to be like or dislike. There's a whole other area…it's not just black or white. Just isn't.

IMO football is a big person sport. You have some of the most athletically gifted rocked up athletes in the world playing it. There's freaking 260lb DL running a 4.4 now.

there's only 32 starting spots in the world to play QB at this level. One of the main attributes is obviously throwing the football. Much like other positions there are thresholds for everything. We got some outliers, but those don't make up the majority of successful players.

IMO (like Smokey) Brock does a some things very well. It's the processing, anticipation and the ability to move and create behind the LOS. That is amazing stuff and why he's a good QB.

He does have limitations, and by limitations I mean things that he can't really improve upon. His size, from a measurable standpoint is barebones bottom of the league. That includes his hands. People trying using Brees with Brock, but Drew had some of the biggest hands in football. Dude could spin it. Brock is top 10 in batted balls at the LOS, not all are on him but some of it is because of size. We got weather issues on top of that. His arm is very much bottom of the league among starting caliber QBs. Just is. He's ranked 28th the past two seasons in tight window passes. That is absolutely part of not having a plus arm.

now let's talk about the intangibles. Dude has this is spades. He's smart, he's a leader, he puts in all the work you want your QB to do. I think he's pretty damn tough. He can stand in the pocket and deliver a pass while getting crushed. He's not a Darnold like QB who "sees ghosts", he very much can dust it off and go to the next play. I also haven't seen much as far as the clutch factor goes. I think he has 4 4th QR come from behind games. Two in the playoffs, mostly using his legs there. It wasn't good in the 4th QR this yr. Personally I would like to see more of that. More of putting the team on his back. He's still young there and can grow from that standpoint.

I say all that showing you there's things to like and think that make you pause. End of the day he's currently our best option and is still young. He's gonna get paid, I like others hope they have it setup to where they can have outs if things go south. No one wants that because we all want that FQB for a while. We should always be on the lookout for a QB just in case…much like any position.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Most good QBs never hit the FA market and get offers from other teams. The market value for these players is determined by the contracts their peers have received. These comps set the market.

My offer at my current job was based on what people with similar abilities were being paid in the market.

What happens if you don't like the offer you got? Do you accept the offer or look around to see what you demand is elsewhere?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You don't remember when Payton Manning and Tom Brady received all those offers from other every time they signed a contract?

If INDY and NE allowed Brady/manning to go negotiate with another team, they would have probably gotten more than their teams gave them…along with numerous 1sts rd picks going to INDY/NE.

I think some of us are saying that would not be the case with Brock. Some posters have said if he wants to be the highest paid player in football, say no thanks you can play out your rookie deal and we can renegotiate after that.

Theres are all just scenarios, not saying they're likely at all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Burrow is 6'4" and has a stronger arm than Purdy. If Purdy was 6'4" with Burrow's arm strength, I'm guessing you'd have no problem with offering him a contract in the $50m-$60m range.

Burrow's arm would make me feel better. I don't need Brock to be 6'4, though that is a nice advantage.

The point about the arm is a nuanced position. Burrow has an average, maybe above average arm… nothing special. I'm not a person who thinks you need special arm talent to be a top tier QB, and I argued that point relentlessly in favor of Brock before 2023. My point then was once you were past a minimum level of arm strength, the rest was a luxury. I also believed Purdy was right near that minimum, and now that I've seen two years I question whether he's not below the minimum. It's no issue if he's facing zones, making good reads, and throwing with elite anticipation into areas of the field. He's shown he can do that.

I honestly don't know if you like Purdy or not lol. I don't think I've seen this from you, what would you offer him right now, maximum, for an extension?

Dude, you can like a player and understand there's limitations. This is why there's so much disconnect in here. It doesn't have to be like or dislike. There's a whole other area…it's not just black or white. Just isn't.

IMO football is a big person sport. You have some of the most athletically gifted rocked up athletes in the world playing it. There's freaking 260lb DL running a 4.4 now.

there's only 32 starting spots in the world to play QB at this level. One of the main attributes is obviously throwing the football. Much like other positions there are thresholds for everything. We got some outliers, but those don't make up the majority of successful players.

IMO (like Smokey) Brock does a some things very well. It's the processing, anticipation and the ability to move and create behind the LOS. That is amazing stuff and why he's a good QB.

He does have limitations, and by limitations I mean things that he can't really improve upon. His size, from a measurable standpoint is barebones bottom of the league. That includes his hands. People trying using Brees with Brock, but Drew had some of the biggest hands in football. Dude could spin it. Brock is top 10 in batted balls at the LOS, not all are on him but some of it is because of size. We got weather issues on top of that. His arm is very much bottom of the league among starting caliber QBs. Just is. He's ranked 28th the past two seasons in tight window passes. That is absolutely part of not having a plus arm.

now let's talk about the intangibles. Dude has this is spades. He's smart, he's a leader, he puts in all the work you want your QB to do. I think he's pretty damn tough. He can stand in the pocket and deliver a pass while getting crushed. He's not a Darnold like QB who "sees ghosts", he very much can dust it off and go to the next play. I also haven't seen much as far as the clutch factor goes. I think he has 4 4th QR come from behind games. Two in the playoffs, mostly using his legs there. It wasn't good in the 4th QR this yr. Personally I would like to see more of that. More of putting the team on his back. He's still young there and can grow from that standpoint.

I say all that showing you there's things to like and think that make you pause. End of the day he's currently our best option and is still young. He's gonna get paid, I like others hope they have it setup to where they can have outs if things go south. No one wants that because we all want that FQB for a while. We should always be on the lookout for a QB just in case…much like any position.

You didn't mention the injuries. Having one major elbow injury erly in hs career and a minor one in his final game this season has to be a little concerning.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Most good QBs never hit the FA market and get offers from other teams. The market value for these players is determined by the contracts their peers have received. These comps set the market.

My offer at my current job was based on what people with similar abilities were being paid in the market.

What happens if you don't like the offer you got? Do you accept the offer or look around to see what you demand is elsewhere?

Which rookie contract QBs looked around and see what demand was elsewhere?
It doesn't seem to happen often. It seems like most often agents and teams use comps from the market to determine value.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If INDY and NE allowed Brady/manning to go negotiate with another team, they would have probably gotten more than their teams gave them…along with numerous 1sts rd picks going to INDY/NE.

I think some of us are saying that would not be the case with Brock. Some posters have said if he wants to be the highest paid player in football, say no thanks you can play out your rookie deal and we can renegotiate after that.

Theres are all just scenarios, not saying they're likely at all.

It doesnt work like that.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Burrow is 6'4" and has a stronger arm than Purdy. If Purdy was 6'4" with Burrow's arm strength, I'm guessing you'd have no problem with offering him a contract in the $50m-$60m range.

Burrow's arm would make me feel better. I don't need Brock to be 6'4, though that is a nice advantage.

The point about the arm is a nuanced position. Burrow has an average, maybe above average arm… nothing special. I'm not a person who thinks you need special arm talent to be a top tier QB, and I argued that point relentlessly in favor of Brock before 2023. My point then was once you were past a minimum level of arm strength, the rest was a luxury. I also believed Purdy was right near that minimum, and now that I've seen two years I question whether he's not below the minimum. It's no issue if he's facing zones, making good reads, and throwing with elite anticipation into areas of the field. He's shown he can do that.

I honestly don't know if you like Purdy or not lol. I don't think I've seen this from you, what would you offer him right now, maximum, for an extension?

Dude, you can like a player and understand there's limitations. This is why there's so much disconnect in here. It doesn't have to be like or dislike. There's a whole other area…it's not just black or white. Just isn't.

IMO football is a big person sport. You have some of the most athletically gifted rocked up athletes in the world playing it. There's freaking 260lb DL running a 4.4 now.

there's only 32 starting spots in the world to play QB at this level. One of the main attributes is obviously throwing the football. Much like other positions there are thresholds for everything. We got some outliers, but those don't make up the majority of successful players.

IMO (like Smokey) Brock does a some things very well. It's the processing, anticipation and the ability to move and create behind the LOS. That is amazing stuff and why he's a good QB.

He does have limitations, and by limitations I mean things that he can't really improve upon. His size, from a measurable standpoint is barebones bottom of the league. That includes his hands. People trying using Brees with Brock, but Drew had some of the biggest hands in football. Dude could spin it. Brock is top 10 in batted balls at the LOS, not all are on him but some of it is because of size. We got weather issues on top of that. His arm is very much bottom of the league among starting caliber QBs. Just is. He's ranked 28th the past two seasons in tight window passes. That is absolutely part of not having a plus arm.

now let's talk about the intangibles. Dude has this is spades. He's smart, he's a leader, he puts in all the work you want your QB to do. I think he's pretty damn tough. He can stand in the pocket and deliver a pass while getting crushed. He's not a Darnold like QB who "sees ghosts", he very much can dust it off and go to the next play. I also haven't seen much as far as the clutch factor goes. I think he has 4 4th QR come from behind games. Two in the playoffs, mostly using his legs there. It wasn't good in the 4th QR this yr. Personally I would like to see more of that. More of putting the team on his back. He's still young there and can grow from that standpoint.

I say all that showing you there's things to like and think that make you pause. End of the day he's currently our best option and is still young. He's gonna get paid, I like others hope they have it setup to where they can have outs if things go south. No one wants that because we all want that FQB for a while. We should always be on the lookout for a QB just in case…much like any position.

You didn't mention the injuries. Having one major elbow injury erly in hs career and a minor one in his final game this season has to be a little concerning.

Yeah I mean some of that is fluky stuff. He has ended two of his three seasons out though.

It's Friday and this is funny 😝

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
What is this finding one team willing to pay him talk, how do you even do that?

You don't remember when Payton Manning and Tom Brady received all those offers from other every time they signed a contract?

these are 9 figure deals. do you really think the player's agent and the club don't have any intel or thought process on what he would get paid on the market? guys in college who leave for the draft, get intel on where they might get picked (and so forth). i guarantee on 9 figure investments, both the agent and club are gonna have a lot of good information on what he's worth league wide. the agent wouldn't be doing his job if he signed purdy for way below market, same with the club if they pay way above market. we literally just did this with BA, we didn't agree right away, and we told him to shop around. his agent gets to call other clubs and work out a deal, once a deal is worked we can figure out trade comp, or match the deal. this isn't josh dobbs rocket scientist stuff.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

If Titans offered 1st pick for Purdy, would you guys do it?

Straight up? HELL NO

also good morning