QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
nice.. he's in that Josh Johnson tier

Had to look it up, lol. JJ was in the league for 6 years, hopped over to AAFL then XFL, then back to the NFL for 5 more years.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
nice.. he's in that Josh Johnson tier

Had to look it up, lol. JJ was in the league for 6 years, hopped over to AAFL then XFL, then back to the NFL for 5 more years.

great dude, he's just helping everyone out

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what is indisputable? i'm not even an alex guy. i got tired of alex. but i do understand the situation he walked into, vs the situation brock walked into. they were not the same. brock i am sure struggles in 2005, and alex no doubt is better set up in 2022. alex won like 100 games, it's way too early to be doing brock purdy career comps with guys who played a long time.

Purdy was better in 2023 than Alex Smith was at any time in his career.

Purdy was better in 2024 than Alex Smith ever was as a 49er.

I would say that Alex's only season that was better than Purdy's 2024 was 2017, which was his best season by far. And I love me some Alex Smith lol.

Originally posted by random49er:
No. There's no need for judgement right now, as he's under contract. We can "take it easy," as I'm sure Shanahan and Lynch aren't ready to risk their careers with a bad deal. They want to stick around, so they'll wanna see more too if there's no getting around $50M+ cap hits in multiple years.

You brought up "reality" before. The reality here is that the people actually making the decision don't have the same reservations you do. Shanahan, Lynch, and Jed are already sold on Purdy.

Shanahan

• "I've loved these three years with Brock. I plan on bearing with Brock here the whole time I'm here."
• "When I look at a calendar now and realize we have 14 weeks until we need to get back, I expect everyone to be ready to go and excited to really get this going and play some football. And that starts with Brock. Brock is the leader of our team."
• "Brock's been a stud. He's a guy I've got a lot of confidence in just as a human. But it starts with what he's done on the field these last two and a half years."
• "We're capable of winning a Super Bowl with him. We just almost did. And I know he is capable of getting the Niners a Super Bowl in the future."

Lynch

• "What we know about Brock is that he's our guy."
• "We have interest in Brock being around here for a long, long time."

Jed

• "It's a good problem when your quarterback is one of the highest-paid guys on your team and in the league."
• "It's what the market is. Brock is going to ask for something that no one has ever asked for before."
• "When we signed Jimmy several years ago, it was the largest deal in the history of the NFL, for three minutes. But Jimmy was at [$27.5 million]. That's what the market is, and you have to accept the reality of the world."
• "To me, the quarterback is the most important position not just in football, but all of sports, and those guys should be paid a lot of money."
• "There's a lot of planning that goes into it. I'm glad we have Paraag, J.L., Kyle. They're the ones that are going to figure out the details of it, and I just have to sign the check. My part in that is kind of easy."

But hey, maybe I'm reading too hard between the lines here and everyone is really just in a wait-and-see pattern on Purdy.

As for the "$50M+ cap hits in multiple years", you need to actually provide more contract details showing that a 50M cap hit is unworkable. The contract Lombardi posted yesterday has cap hits of 78M in 2028 (23.15%), 78M in 2029 (21.64%), and 75.625M in 2030 (19.61%), with 6M spread into 1 void year. Those cap hits are from massive salaries (50M, 50M, 61M). If the team is competitive, the team would reduce those massive salaries through restructures, which would reduce the cap hits. Minimizing the salaries would yield to cap hits of 39M, 49M, and 47M in those final three years, with cap hits of 37M, 31M, 22M, and 12M, carrying over to the next contract. So 2031 would be his first season with an unavoidable cap hit of 50M+, with a league wide cap north of 400M. Right now, the team has 12 players contracted through 2027. 3 players through 2028. And only Lenoir through 2029. Why would I need to be concerned about 2031 60M cap hit (15% of a 400M cap)? To be honest, I don't really even care about 2028 at this point. What I care about is the roster in 2025, 2026, and somewhat in 2027. His cap hits under those years are 15.1M (5.5%), 23.2M (7.89%), and 29.26M (9.29%). The team would have contractual control over him through 2030 by which the league is likely to opt out of their current media deal sparking another boom in the league wide cap.

Huh? You then follow that up with saying he's a franchise QB and will command high figures (cap-wise?).

My stance on this has been consistent. Ownership, the front office, and Kyle are sold on him as the franchise QB. And the market is the market, where franchise QB level talent is highly in demand and the dearth of available talent for teams to sign keeps the price high.

If you are convinced that his price WILL go up (you did not say "COULD"), then you are convinced he WILL perform well, without a doubt. There's no escaping what you've already said.

I did not say "could" because he will cost more this year to keep. He had a cap hit of 1M last year. He will have a minimum cap hit of 5.2M in 2025. Gone are the days of Mr. Irrelevant on a last-pick-of-the-draft contract. You brought up that the team has the choice of controlling him for at least three years. To control him for "at least three years" would require an extension, the use of the franchise tag, or both. He could improve. He could regress. He could be the same. He's going to cost more than 5.2M in 2026.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what is indisputable? i'm not even an alex guy. i got tired of alex. but i do understand the situation he walked into, vs the situation brock walked into. they were not the same. brock i am sure struggles in 2005, and alex no doubt is better set up in 2022. alex won like 100 games, it's way too early to be doing brock purdy career comps with guys who played a long time.

Purdy was better in 2023 than Alex Smith was at any time in his career.

Purdy was better in 2024 than Alex Smith ever was as a 49er.

I would say that Alex's only season that was better than Purdy's 2024 was 2017, which was his best season by far. And I love me some Alex Smith lol.

We need a Purdy vs Alex vs AleX thread.

I wouldn't hold Owner, GM and HC speak as confirmation on anything. This business, they only speak on what's current that day.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I wouldn't hold Owner, GM and HC speak as confirmation on anything. This business, they only speak on what's current that day.

Yep. Owner comments are a year old/prior to this past season, I believe, and a great example of needing to 'say less'.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what is indisputable? i'm not even an alex guy. i got tired of alex. but i do understand the situation he walked into, vs the situation brock walked into. they were not the same. brock i am sure struggles in 2005, and alex no doubt is better set up in 2022. alex won like 100 games, it's way too early to be doing brock purdy career comps with guys who played a long time.

Purdy was better in 2023 than Alex Smith was at any time in his career.

Purdy was better in 2024 than Alex Smith ever was as a 49er.

I would say that Alex's only season that was better than Purdy's 2024 was 2017, which was his best season by far. And I love me some Alex Smith lol.

might have been better, but it's not by much

and that's comparing Alex's best season to Purdy's worst

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what is indisputable? i'm not even an alex guy. i got tired of alex. but i do understand the situation he walked into, vs the situation brock walked into. they were not the same. brock i am sure struggles in 2005, and alex no doubt is better set up in 2022. alex won like 100 games, it's way too early to be doing brock purdy career comps with guys who played a long time.

Purdy was better in 2023 than Alex Smith was at any time in his career.

Purdy was better in 2024 than Alex Smith ever was as a 49er.

I would say that Alex's only season that was better than Purdy's 2024 was 2017, which was his best season by far. And I love me some Alex Smith lol.

might have been better, but it's not by much

and that's comparing Alex's best season to Purdy's worst

I can't believe we are actually in agreement about something regarding Alex Smith.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what is indisputable? i'm not even an alex guy. i got tired of alex. but i do understand the situation he walked into, vs the situation brock walked into. they were not the same. brock i am sure struggles in 2005, and alex no doubt is better set up in 2022. alex won like 100 games, it's way too early to be doing brock purdy career comps with guys who played a long time.

Purdy was better in 2023 than Alex Smith was at any time in his career.

Purdy was better in 2024 than Alex Smith ever was as a 49er.

I would say that Alex's only season that was better than Purdy's 2024 was 2017, which was his best season by far. And I love me some Alex Smith lol.

might have been better, but it's not by much

and that's comparing Alex's best season to Purdy's worst

I can't believe we are actually in agreement about something regarding Alex Smith.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Luckily, the option of the franchise tag can buy you time. ????????‍?

But Kyle has always been about optics... for example he never likes the idea of the backup QB making more than the starting QB. Which is why he finally accepted Jimmy G back on the team if he took a contract paying him less than the 2nd year QB, Trey Lance.

So Kyle is gonna be all in for overpaying Brock on a long contract...instead of franchise tagging him (even though this would be the best option for the team). At least until Brock bounces back next season. Then it would be worth *overpaying* for him.

Dude, no it isnt. Why people keep saying this is beyond me. It is demonstrating you have no clue what you are talking about.

Like I said before, Brock will not hold out... he will not take the chance of another QB (with full OTA's + Training camp) running this QB friendly offense, with the playmakers we have. So yeah, let him play out 2025. Hell can use the excuse that the reason we have been successful for the past 4 years is because we have QBs on rookie deals.. and Brock is a continuation of that. Then decide to Tag or pay him next year.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Just read article that said 49'ers Insiders are saying 49'ers in no rush to give Brock a deal due to his inconsistent play.

there you go... we'll see.

now before some feel I'm some Brock hater.. I still believe in him, but I don't believe in him under Kyle anymore (enough to pay him $60+mill)... so for me to be convinced I would need to see if Kyle adjusts his offense next year and gives Brock more freedom at the line of scrimmage.

He will NEVER play out his contract without an extension. Nor will our team allow that. You arent living in reality if you think that is going to happen.

Also, saying "there you go" to a poster who just lied about 49ers insiders is just laughable. He didnt read any such article.

Why not? Are you looking at this from Brock Purdy's perspective or from the Organization's perspective? What's best for Brock or what's best for your 49ers?

We have seen on many occasions how the NFL is a business... how teams are a business. What makes Brock so special that the team shouldn't take all options into consideration? For what's best for the team? Especially if Brock's agent asks for $60+ Mill.