QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It's using the league as a model, not the jags lol

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It's using the league as a model, not the jags lol

It's the agent's job to use models and increase his client's potential contract. It's the 49ers job to pay him what they believe the market would command of him and take care of the other players as well over the length of the years of the deal where there are no outs. Negotiations 101.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It's using the league as a model, not the jags lol

It's the agent's job to use models and increase his client's potential contract. It's the 49ers job to pay him what they believe the market would command of him and take care of the other players as well over the length of the years of the deal where there are no outs. Negotiations 101.

Yea let's be the douchebags that want to underpay our already severely underpaid qb after he saved our ass, and is the best we found in 30 years. So dumb dude

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what is indisputable? i'm not even an alex guy. i got tired of alex. but i do understand the situation he walked into, vs the situation brock walked into. they were not the same. brock i am sure struggles in 2005, and alex no doubt is better set up in 2022. alex won like 100 games, it's way too early to be doing brock purdy career comps with guys who played a long time.

Purdy was better in 2023 than Alex Smith was at any time in his career.

just hard to say that with all the variables around the QB being different. QB is very much a game of what is around you to work with, who is your playcaller, etc. we just saw that with brock. brock's situation changed, and the bottom fell out. we finished in last place.

i would say something like the 2023 49ers had a better O than any Smith O perhaps. that sounds correct. brock plays a role in 2023 so does kyle, trent, cmc, BA, kittle, deebo, those are not bad players and coaches. my theory is a ton of QBs like alex once he became functional, could thrive in that situation, like brock did.

Alex threw to Hill Maclin and Kelce and ended up with like 15 tds lol. He had Hill Kelce and the NFL rush leader in 2017 along with a good line. That's a better #1, a better receiving TE, the nfls top rusher, better OL, and he still couldn't do better as a 12 year vet than second year Brock

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:
No. There's no need for judgement right now, as he's under contract. We can "take it easy," as I'm sure Shanahan and Lynch aren't ready to risk their careers with a bad deal. They want to stick around, so they'll wanna see more too if there's no getting around $50M+ cap hits in multiple years.

You brought up "reality" before. The reality here is that the people actually making the decision don't have the same reservations you do. Shanahan, Lynch, and Jed are already sold on Purdy.

Shanahan

• "I've loved these three years with Brock. I plan on bearing with Brock here the whole time I'm here."
• "When I look at a calendar now and realize we have 14 weeks until we need to get back, I expect everyone to be ready to go and excited to really get this going and play some football. And that starts with Brock. Brock is the leader of our team."
• "Brock's been a stud. He's a guy I've got a lot of confidence in just as a human. But it starts with what he's done on the field these last two and a half years."
• "We're capable of winning a Super Bowl with him. We just almost did. And I know he is capable of getting the Niners a Super Bowl in the future."

Lynch

• "What we know about Brock is that he's our guy."
• "We have interest in Brock being around here for a long, long time."

Jed

• "It's a good problem when your quarterback is one of the highest-paid guys on your team and in the league."
• "It's what the market is. Brock is going to ask for something that no one has ever asked for before."
• "When we signed Jimmy several years ago, it was the largest deal in the history of the NFL, for three minutes. But Jimmy was at [$27.5 million]. That's what the market is, and you have to accept the reality of the world."
• "To me, the quarterback is the most important position not just in football, but all of sports, and those guys should be paid a lot of money."
• "There's a lot of planning that goes into it. I'm glad we have Paraag, J.L., Kyle. They're the ones that are going to figure out the details of it, and I just have to sign the check. My part in that is kind of easy."

But hey, maybe I'm reading too hard between the lines here and everyone is really just in a wait-and-see pattern on Purdy.

As for the "$50M+ cap hits in multiple years", you need to actually provide more contract details showing that a 50M cap hit is unworkable. The contract Lombardi posted yesterday has cap hits of 78M in 2028 (23.15%), 78M in 2029 (21.64%), and 75.625M in 2030 (19.61%), with 6M spread into 1 void year. Those cap hits are from massive salaries (50M, 50M, 61M). If the team is competitive, the team would reduce those massive salaries through restructures, which would reduce the cap hits. Minimizing the salaries would yield to cap hits of 39M, 49M, and 47M in those final three years, with cap hits of 37M, 31M, 22M, and 12M, carrying over to the next contract. So 2031 would be his first season with an unavoidable cap hit of 50M+, with a league wide cap north of 400M. Right now, the team has 12 players contracted through 2027. 3 players through 2028. And only Lenoir through 2029. Why would I need to be concerned about 2031 60M cap hit (15% of a 400M cap)? To be honest, I don't really even care about 2028 at this point. What I care about is the roster in 2025, 2026, and somewhat in 2027. His cap hits under those years are 15.1M (5.5%), 23.2M (7.89%), and 29.26M (9.29%). The team would have contractual control over him through 2030 by which the league is likely to opt out of their current media deal sparking another boom in the league wide cap.

Huh? You then follow that up with saying he's a franchise QB and will command high figures (cap-wise?).

My stance on this has been consistent. Ownership, the front office, and Kyle are sold on him as the franchise QB. And the market is the market, where franchise QB level talent is highly in demand and the dearth of available talent for teams to sign keeps the price high.

If you are convinced that his price WILL go up (you did not say "COULD"), then you are convinced he WILL perform well, without a doubt. There's no escaping what you've already said.

I did not say "could" because he will cost more this year to keep. He had a cap hit of 1M last year. He will have a minimum cap hit of 5.2M in 2025. Gone are the days of Mr. Irrelevant on a last-pick-of-the-draft contract. You brought up that the team has the choice of controlling him for at least three years. To control him for "at least three years" would require an extension, the use of the franchise tag, or both. He could improve. He could regress. He could be the same. He's going to cost more than 5.2M in 2026.

Dang dude, nice post.
Thanks for all the info.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Trevor isn't the only example. It's disrespect to tell him he shouldn't be paid the same as the guys he compares to. How is it not?

We aren't telling him that, and disrespecting a locked-in player is the least of our concerns, IMO. That's why they created the franchise tag,... which is something we dont even need for the QB position this year.

I sincerely hope we dont use the Jaguars as a model of how to run an organization, though.

It's using the league as a model, not the jags lol

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:
No. There's no need for judgement right now, as he's under contract. We can "take it easy," as I'm sure Shanahan and Lynch aren't ready to risk their careers with a bad deal. They want to stick around, so they'll wanna see more too if there's no getting around $50M+ cap hits in multiple years.

You brought up "reality" before. The reality here is that the people actually making the decision don't have the same reservations you do. Shanahan, Lynch, and Jed are already sold on Purdy.

Shanahan

• "I've loved these three years with Brock. I plan on bearing with Brock here the whole time I'm here."
• "When I look at a calendar now and realize we have 14 weeks until we need to get back, I expect everyone to be ready to go and excited to really get this going and play some football. And that starts with Brock. Brock is the leader of our team."
• "Brock's been a stud. He's a guy I've got a lot of confidence in just as a human. But it starts with what he's done on the field these last two and a half years."
• "We're capable of winning a Super Bowl with him. We just almost did. And I know he is capable of getting the Niners a Super Bowl in the future."

Lynch

• "What we know about Brock is that he's our guy."
• "We have interest in Brock being around here for a long, long time."

Jed

• "It's a good problem when your quarterback is one of the highest-paid guys on your team and in the league."
• "It's what the market is. Brock is going to ask for something that no one has ever asked for before."
• "When we signed Jimmy several years ago, it was the largest deal in the history of the NFL, for three minutes. But Jimmy was at [$27.5 million]. That's what the market is, and you have to accept the reality of the world."
• "To me, the quarterback is the most important position not just in football, but all of sports, and those guys should be paid a lot of money."
• "There's a lot of planning that goes into it. I'm glad we have Paraag, J.L., Kyle. They're the ones that are going to figure out the details of it, and I just have to sign the check. My part in that is kind of easy."

But hey, maybe I'm reading too hard between the lines here and everyone is really just in a wait-and-see pattern on Purdy.

As for the "$50M+ cap hits in multiple years", you need to actually provide more contract details showing that a 50M cap hit is unworkable. The contract Lombardi posted yesterday has cap hits of 78M in 2028 (23.15%), 78M in 2029 (21.64%), and 75.625M in 2030 (19.61%), with 6M spread into 1 void year. Those cap hits are from massive salaries (50M, 50M, 61M). If the team is competitive, the team would reduce those massive salaries through restructures, which would reduce the cap hits. Minimizing the salaries would yield to cap hits of 39M, 49M, and 47M in those final three years, with cap hits of 37M, 31M, 22M, and 12M, carrying over to the next contract. So 2031 would be his first season with an unavoidable cap hit of 50M+, with a league wide cap north of 400M. Right now, the team has 12 players contracted through 2027. 3 players through 2028. And only Lenoir through 2029. Why would I need to be concerned about 2031 60M cap hit (15% of a 400M cap)? To be honest, I don't really even care about 2028 at this point. What I care about is the roster in 2025, 2026, and somewhat in 2027. His cap hits under those years are 15.1M (5.5%), 23.2M (7.89%), and 29.26M (9.29%). The team would have contractual control over him through 2030 by which the league is likely to opt out of their current media deal sparking another boom in the league wide cap.

Huh? You then follow that up with saying he's a franchise QB and will command high figures (cap-wise?).

My stance on this has been consistent. Ownership, the front office, and Kyle are sold on him as the franchise QB. And the market is the market, where franchise QB level talent is highly in demand and the dearth of available talent for teams to sign keeps the price high.

If you are convinced that his price WILL go up (you did not say "COULD"), then you are convinced he WILL perform well, without a doubt. There's no escaping what you've already said.

I did not say "could" because he will cost more this year to keep. He had a cap hit of 1M last year. He will have a minimum cap hit of 5.2M in 2025. Gone are the days of Mr. Irrelevant on a last-pick-of-the-draft contract. You brought up that the team has the choice of controlling him for at least three years. To control him for "at least three years" would require an extension, the use of the franchise tag, or both. He could improve. He could regress. He could be the same. He's going to cost more than 5.2M in 2026.

Dang dude, nice post.
Thanks for all the info.

He really is killing it in this thread.