QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
"Jackson played great but his team let him down!"

"Purdy lost the game because he couldn't block a free rusher, flubbed a punt and missed a field goal, he needs to get it together!"

People need to pick a lane.

Exactly. 2 turnovers cost the team just as much or more than Andrews. In four of eight playoff games, Jackson has two or more turnovers. That is absolutely horrific for an "elite" quarterback. Jackson is elite in the regular season a lot more than when he plays good teams in the postseason. That's a fact.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Some can still find ways to win. The Chiefs didn't fall apart when they lost all their WRs. Mahomes just found ways to win. Sure it was often the defense but in the end he found ways to score. The Bills don't have the offensive talaent that the Niners do but the have a streong arm QB that can also run effectively so they can still win a lot of games. I doubt Brock could have taken either of those teams as far.

And at that same time their offensive line, especially the interior got really good, like top of the league good. Two were All Pro's this year and all three were Pro-Bowlers. Their defense also got really good. Mahomes had a passer rating of 94 this past season, he wasn't tearing it up, its just that the rest of the team around him is pretty damn good, they won two games just on the back of their special teams alone.

Like I said before, all these QB's have elite talent on their rosters, they all have good coaches as well. None of them is going it alone, not even Mahomes, especially not Mahomes this year.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Your post is ignorant if you think just because Mahomes is in the championship game, he did it or had a lot to do with their success hahah. Please…..when it mattered? He didn't do much on offense (much like the last 2 years) anymore and you as well as everyone else knows it's their defense that is carrying them NOT Mahomes. So if anything, you're deflecting. You can't admit anything. People call your posts out when you're wrong. Why don't you admit that for to starters. The chiefs defense is the main reason they advanced not Patrick Mahomes.

I on the other hand can admit Purdy was partly at fault while you have trouble assigning blame to anything else like injuries, bad offensive play calls, and other factors.

Again, I will have to ask you for the hundredth time to stop putting words in my mouth. You seriously have problems. I never said that's the only reason Brock Purdy failed this year. You lied AGAIN. That is pathetic for you to suggest that. But it's standard for your arguments when you're wrong. I have plenty of times said that Brock didn't do as well this year as he should've. You never learn haha

He was fantastic in the playoffs last year and he had one of the worse wide receiver corps in the league. That's something you've focused on in arguments for Brock. Outside of the ridiculous ice game against the Dolphins, he completed over 70 percent of his passes and had 1 turnover combined in road games in Buffalo, Baltimore, and against the Niners in the SB. That's really impressive stuff and why he's nearly* universally regarded as the best and most clutch QB in the game.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The reverse is also true. Purdy played great in 2023 when the 49ers were one of the healthiest teams. They were absolutley loaded with offensive talent. This year we saw what a difference it made not having CMC. Every QB is going to be better with all his weapons. Purdy is just a little more dependent than some otf the better QBs.

Sure but they all need good teams around them. Not a single one of the QB's that played this weekend was playing with crap surrounding them. They all had good OL's, solid to very good defenses, run games...etc.

Some can still find ways to win. The Chiefs didn't fall apart when they lost all their WRs. Mahomes just found ways to win. Sure it was often the defense but in the end he found ways to score. The Bills don't have the offensive talaent that the Niners do but the have a streong arm QB that can also run effectively so they can still win a lot of games. I doubt Brock could have taken either of those teams as far.

An argument could be made that Mahomes has zero rings if Chris Jones is not on that team.

Would Montana have any rings if Lott wasn't on the team?

Again, it's a team sport. You accumulate as much talent as possible. Sometimes you win with the most talented QB, sometimes QBs that are less talented but still quite good win because they have key players around them. If Lott was on the Dolphins how many rings does Marino have? If Jones is on the Bengals how many rings does Burrow have? If Manning is on the Bears how many rings does Urlacher have?

Purdy needs to do better, but we have seen him win games late. Big games. So we know he can do it. But it isn't the only factor. Elway was amazing at winning games late. Didn't help him in those early Super Bowls when his team was behind by double digits, partly because he was often one of the reasons he needed to come from behind in many games. He gets a more balanced team around him and he finally crosses the finish line.

The best thing about Purdy is his drive. You know he will put the work in this offseason to counter what defenses threw at him in 2024. You know he will put the work in to improve physically. He also has the advantage of age.

People on this forum are so quick to abandon anyone who shows any flaws. In the end that will just result in never appreciating anyone.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
"Jackson played great but his team let him down!"

"Purdy lost the game because he couldn't block a free rusher, flubbed a punt and missed a field goal, he needs to get it together!"

People need to pick a lane.

Exactly. 2 turnovers cost the team just as much or more than Andrews. In four of eight playoff games, Jackson has two or more turnovers. That is absolutely horrific for an "elite" quarterback. Jackson is elite in the regular season a lot more than when he plays good teams in the postseason. That's a fact.

No question about that. The same was true for Peyton Manning before he went to Denver. Same for Stafford. Both put up big numbers with their original team but couldn't get over the hump. It doesn't take away from their greatness.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He was fantastic in the playoffs last year and he had one of the worse wide receiver corps in the league. That's something you've focused on in arguments for Brock. Outside of the ridiculous ice game against the Dolphins, he completed over 70 percent of his passes and had 1 turnover combined in road games in Buffalo, Baltimore, and against the Niners in the SB. That's really impressive stuff and why he's nearly* universally regarded as the best and most clutch QB in the game.

See Phoenix's post. Context matters

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And at that same time their offensive line, especially the interior got really good, like top of the league good. Two were All Pro's this year and all three were Pro-Bowlers. Their defense also got really good. Mahomes had a passer rating of 94 this past season, he wasn't tearing it up, its just that the rest of the team around him is pretty damn good, they won two games just on the back of their special teams alone.

Like I said before, all these QB's have elite talent on their rosters, they all have good coaches as well. None of them is going it alone, not even Mahomes, especially not Mahomes this year.

Exactly

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
"Jackson played great but his team let him down!"

"Purdy lost the game because he couldn't block a free rusher, flubbed a punt and missed a field goal, he needs to get it together!"

People need to pick a lane.

Exactly. 2 turnovers cost the team just as much or more than Andrews. In four of eight playoff games, Jackson has two or more turnovers. That is absolutely horrific for an "elite" quarterback. Jackson is elite in the regular season a lot more than when he plays good teams in the postseason. That's a fact.

No question about that. The same was true for Peyton Manning before he went to Denver. Same for Stafford. Both put up big numbers with their original team but couldn't get over the hump. It doesn't take away from their greatness.

Manning did get over the hump once with the Colts at least. But your point was a contributing factor to why it was only once.

It's a team game. Why QB wins is dumb.

Lamar Jackson can absolutely win a game if all he needs is a special teams touchdown. The context always matters.

Its al about the playoffs.

Jackson is defined by that.

Goff is defined by that.

Mahomes is defined by that.

Daniels....he could be anything.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
"Jackson played great but his team let him down!"

"Purdy lost the game because he couldn't block a free rusher, flubbed a punt and missed a field goal, he needs to get it together!"

People need to pick a lane.

The reverse is also true. Purdy played great in 2023 when the 49ers were one of the healthiest teams. They were absolutley loaded with offensive talent. This year we saw what a difference it made not having CMC. Every QB is going to be better with all his weapons. Purdy is just a little more dependent than some otf the better QBs.

That is a lazy, conclusory analysis.
Purdy got no help from the team, players and coaches. They were ill-prepared and lifeless.
If anything, Purdy's mistake was that he tried to do too much. That tends to make matters worse.
It was only his second season as starter. He'll learn to care less and let his teammates and coaches do their job. This season they failed to do that, particularly the coaches.
My expectation is that this learning experience will only make him better and stronger.

Originally posted by elguapo:
See Phoenix's post. Context matters

Exactly

We're talking about Mahomes individual play, are we not? Nobody's arguing he doesn't have a good OL, or a top defense, or one of the greatest coaches of all time. That's why they are so successful as a team.

You're still fooling yourself if you can't recognize what a boon it is for that team to have this player. Same with the other truly elite QBs in the league. This has arguably separated the haves and the have nots in the league, in the team context, for decades.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Silky:
The draft. Everyone said the trey lance draft was the best QB draft of all time. 5 QBs in the top 12 was it? I'm not gonna provide sources so challenge me on that if you want to. I don't care. Everyone says this draft is one of the worst. But draft experts are right so many times. Many people thought Jayden Daniels would be a bust and looked past the Washington pick.

But yea, the draft is where you find one. I don't want to be hand-cuffed to Brock the next 3-5 years because of a contract. It's a bad idea, but I'm a Niners fan first. When we pay him I will cheer my a** off for him. But it's not a good idea!

Many people stated their concerns, but the weather thing and not having all the pieces really concern me. We will be dealing with weather and injuries every year. But I digress. We are going to pay him and make him the franchise QB. I'm praying I'm wrong

Who's the next Lamar, Mahomes, Allen, Daniels, at pick 11, or any of our picks in this draft?

Well damn I don't know that. I'm sure Washington didn't expect instant returns from Daniels this year. It's called...keep trying until you find one. I feel like the Niners are settling because of past success.

So trade Purdy for whatever we can get and take a QB this year? And if it's another dud like Lance, try again next year?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And at that same time their offensive line, especially the interior got really good, like top of the league good. Two were All Pro's this year and all three were Pro-Bowlers. Their defense also got really good. Mahomes had a passer rating of 94 this past season, he wasn't tearing it up, its just that the rest of the team around him is pretty damn good, they won two games just on the back of their special teams alone.

Like I said before, all these QB's have elite talent on their rosters, they all have good coaches as well. None of them is going it alone, not even Mahomes, especially not Mahomes this year.

This. A post that actually tells the true story about Mahomes and the Chiefs this season. KC is where they are this year due to being really good in two phases of the game, D & ST, and being good (and sometimes, just good enough) on offense. They are one of the best teams at playing complementary football very well, and you can attribute that to both the players and the terrific coaching they have for each of the three phases.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by elguapo:
See Phoenix's post. Context matters

Exactly

We're talking about Mahomes individual play, are we not? Nobody's arguing he doesn't have a good OL, or a top defense, or one of the greatest coaches of all time. That's why they are so successful as a team.

You're still fooling yourself if you can't recognize what a boon it is for that team to have this player. Same with the other truly elite QBs in the league. This has arguably separated the haves and the have nots in the league, in the team context, for decades.

Of course it's a boon. But it's also true that you can't just go 3-14 every year and draft a QB to try and find that guy. Coaches and other players don't survive that mentality. If you have a solid guy who may not be "THE ELITE" but is young, dedicated and still brings a notable degree of ability to your team you go with that unless there's an obvious upgrade. And the draft is NEVER an obvious upgrade, as we see every damn year. Purdy has not played so poorly that you roll that dice. If he has a year or two underperforming his talent level then maybe you take that shot in the dark in the draft again. Teams do it all the time. He won't be getting a contract that doesn't have those outs, so don't stress about it. Let the kid get his money and work his tail off this offseason, then cheer for him.

We are about to pay a huge contract to Purdy. Purdy was picked last in the draft for a reason.

We are going to pay overs for a system QB who can't throw over a D lineman, and can't throw it 40 yards, can't rifle a ball into tight coverage, can't close out games.