QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
conflicts with reality. we can check back in 10 years, and we'll see if brock's career will be known for the deep ball. if you are correct, brock purdy will go down as one of the great deep ball throwers when it is all said and done. i wouldn't mind you being correct. do not see it

I'll be here.

It isn't about me being correct. Facts are facts.

As you know from your PL experience with him, he's allergic to facts.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
conflicts with reality. we can check back in 10 years, and we'll see if brock's career will be known for the deep ball. if you are correct, brock purdy will go down as one of the great deep ball throwers when it is all said and done. i wouldn't mind you being correct. do not see it

I'll be here.

It isn't about me being correct. Facts are facts.

lol, you are naive, hiding behind 'facts'. whether a throw is 'big time' or 'turnover worthy' is a matter of who is counting and what their criteria is. you can task 10 companies to identify and come up with advanced stats on all QB big time throws, and turnover worthy throws, and the 10 firms will give you 10 different sets of 'facts'. cuz it's a subjective matter, at the end of the day. imo there's probably too much going on in 11 v 11 football for the advanced stats to give you the full story. just watch the games and you can see who is executing and who isn't.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Dude is right , purdy is mid, he does not have a rocket arm, does not play well in bad weather games, needs a boat load of talent around him to look good , he more of a product of mccaffrey and I fear paying him a fortune

One of the best deep ball passers in 2023.

What happened this yr?

I mean, since a lot of posters seem to disregard the reasons as to why this could be the case, the only logical conclusion one could make is Brock just forgot how.

Defenses do tend to adjust to relatively new players. That seems logical as well.

Is that the main reason you think Brock's numbers were worse this past season than 2024?

Was pointing out that there are other logical conclusions, clearly.

It's not logical to conclude "defenses adjusted" is the reason his deep ball accuracy wasnt as good though.

That's too much of a 1:1 causation there. There can be a number of factors,...and defensive adjustments to a 2nd-yr starter can certainly play a part of it. You try to take away a player's strengths.

Maybe you all the film from the whole season, though. What did you pick up?



https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-qb-brock-purdy-explains-how-defenses-have-adjusted-to-him-01j9c2w3datv

Thank you for the article that doesnt really address anything about teams adjusting to Brock's deep ball.

Hide from the premise if it makes you feel better,... lol.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Ever see Brock Purdy perform the way Goff did in the playoffs with the type of situation Goff had? No? Then that answers your question.

Goff has been a known commodity to us for a long time. Great guy, very smart and can make most throws if he has time in the pocket and there's no pressure in his face. Once you get to him a bit and it's not great.

Put Goff behind the 49ers OL last year and see how far you get.

you get the same stuff man. you don't think goff can play with kittle and deebo and jennings and win 6 games? with kyle shanahan?

I love how you said Deebo and Jennings like we didn't just watch him blow it in the playoffs with a stacked offense around him.

And yes I don't think Goff could hang as well as Brock with the running game we had and the OL we had. We've seen Goff when consistently pressured and it's what we saw the other day.

Also weren't you one of the guys worshiping Jimmy G??

Originally posted by genus49:
I love how you said Deebo and Jennings like we didn't just watch him blow it in the playoffs with a stacked offense around him.

And yes I don't think Goff could hang as well as Brock with the running game we had and the OL we had. We've seen Goff when consistently pressured and it's what we saw the other day.

Also weren't you one of the guys worshiping Jimmy G??

we finished in last place. ppl acting like other QBs can't do that.

i think what you will find when you log off here and go on most sites, most sites after 2024 would have goff in front of brock.
i'm saying they are both mid tier nfl starters, so was jimmy. now with jimmy, we never got last place when he was playing the games. only maybe when he was hurt. so this past year was a lil unprecedented. only kyle year where the QB was healthy and we didn't win games.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Other teams know Brock has a "pop gun" arm so the secondary can sit on him on 2nd and 3rd and long.

Plus losing Brandon Aiyuk, meant Purdy lost his no 1 option on downfield plays.

This made it even easier for secondaries to sit on Brock when the 49ers needed longer plays.

I hate that you're using Ronnie's name and spreading these garbage narratives.

Brock's arm is not an issue for 95% of plays. The team should be good enough not to require him to have to make the 5% of the others.

Teams aren't sitting on anything related to his arm. They're sitting based on our personnel. When you have Jennings and Kittle as the only two guys to consistently beat man coverage with Aiyuk hurt and you're not playing a dominant running game it makes things easier to defend. Especially cuz JJ and Kittle aren't exactly speed guys, also doesn't help that Kittle isn't used as much as he should be cuz we're still worried about feeding Deebo or having George in to block.

There is a reason why the offense while struggling in the redzone was moving the ball left and right before Aiyuk got injured.

It also didn't help that Kyle for some odd reason went away from PA and rarely ran screens to keep defenses at bay. It was a lot harder than it had to be and then we didn't have the bodies to perform at the expected level.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this is such a wrong headed view of QB play. every pass completion, it's an OL blocking, it's pass catchers catching, it's a play caller dialing it up to get ppl open. you got one gold jacket blocking and another taking half the d with him, and you want to attribute 100% of the success to brock. guy doesn't have much on his passes, yet he's the greatest at the deep ball. does that make any sense to you?

This may shock you but deep ball passing isn't all about arm strength.

Is Brock the greatest at the deep ball? No. Is his arm good enough where with the right players out there he's able to produce a season where he ends up being the best statistical deep ball passer? Yes.

This may shock some of you but this offense isn't an air raid system requiring 50+ bombs to do the heavy lifting.

Originally posted by genus49:
This may shock you but deep ball passing isn't all about arm strength.

Is Brock the greatest at the deep ball? No. Is his arm good enough where with the right players out there he's able to produce a season where he ends up being the best statistical deep ball passer? Yes.

This may shock some of you but this offense isn't an air raid system requiring 50+ bombs to do the heavy lifting.

To me this is just an issue with the stat. The stat is for passes 20+ yards out. Brock was an absolute beast in the intermediate range and you could include passes out to 25 yards in that calculus.

It helps to have people define their terms when having an argument like this. I don't think Brock is a great deep passer, but when I say that I'd be referring to later developing routes, or passes well down field once he's extended a play etc. He's obviously capable of hitting balls in the 20-30 yard range, and that's going to make up the bulk of that stat.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we finished in last place. ppl acting like other QBs can't do that.

i think what you will find when you log off here and go on most sites, most sites after 2024 would have goff in front of brock.
i'm saying they are both mid tier nfl starters, so was jimmy. now with jimmy, we never got last place when he was playing the games. only maybe when he was hurt. so this past year was a lil unprecedented. only kyle year where the QB was healthy and we didn't win games.

I don't care about other people's rankings. I've see Goff plenty of times and his performance the other night didn't surprise me at all.

I saw 3rd and 1 without a back in next to him and said "that's not smart" to my wife - critical fumble.

I saw them go 5 wide right before the pick 6 and once again said to my wife they're asking for issues - pick 6.

Goff is a very good QB when he has protection. When the pressure is there it's a mess and a prayer. Similar to Sam Darnold.

You keep bringing up team record to knock Brock but you have regression across the board with this 49ers team. QBs like Goff, Darnold, Jimmy would do even worse than Brock. For all the faults with Brock this year he never looked spooked like those guys do when things don't go well.

As for the losses this year…did we ever have special teams this bad? Defense that couldn't close games out?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this is such a wrong headed view of QB play. every pass completion, it's an OL blocking, it's pass catchers catching, it's a play caller dialing it up to get ppl open. you got one gold jacket blocking and another taking half the d with him, and you want to attribute 100% of the success to brock. guy doesn't have much on his passes, yet he's the greatest at the deep ball. does that make any sense to you?

This may shock you but deep ball passing isn't all about arm strength.

Is Brock the greatest at the deep ball? No. Is his arm good enough where with the right players out there he's able to produce a season where he ends up being the best statistical deep ball passer? Yes.

This may shock some of you but this offense isn't an air raid system requiring 50+ bombs to do the heavy lifting.

yeah it's a lot of run action here. how do teams play run action, they walk DBs up. they crowd the box. so i look for 2 things in a scheme fit here, can the QB be a part of the run game, and can the QB put the ball outside the numbers or downfield to force safeties back.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we finished in last place. ppl acting like other QBs can't do that.

i think what you will find when you log off here and go on most sites, most sites after 2024 would have goff in front of brock.
i'm saying they are both mid tier nfl starters, so was jimmy. now with jimmy, we never got last place when he was playing the games. only maybe when he was hurt. so this past year was a lil unprecedented. only kyle year where the QB was healthy and we didn't win games.

I don't care about other people's rankings. I've see Goff plenty of times and his performance the other night didn't surprise me at all.

I saw 3rd and 1 without a back in next to him and said "that's not smart" to my wife - critical fumble.

I saw them go 5 wide right before the pick 6 and once again said to my wife they're asking for issues - pick 6.

Goff is a very good QB when he has protection. When the pressure is there it's a mess and a prayer. Similar to Sam Darnold.

You keep bringing up team record to knock Brock but you have regression across the board with this 49ers team. QBs like Goff, Darnold, Jimmy would do even worse than Brock. For all the faults with Brock this year he never looked spooked like those guys do when things don't go well.

As for the losses this year…did we ever have special teams this bad? Defense that couldn't close games out?

dude hates the 49ers now after he realized jimmy was being carried lol

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Dude is right , purdy is mid, he does not have a rocket arm, does not play well in bad weather games, needs a boat load of talent around him to look good , he more of a product of mccaffrey and I fear paying him a fortune

One of the best deep ball passers in 2023.

What happened this yr?

I mean, since a lot of posters seem to disregard the reasons as to why this could be the case, the only logical conclusion one could make is Brock just forgot how.

Defenses do tend to adjust to relatively new players. That seems logical as well.

Is that the main reason you think Brock's numbers were worse this past season than 2024?

Was pointing out that there are other logical conclusions, clearly.

It's not logical to conclude "defenses adjusted" is the reason his deep ball accuracy wasnt as good though.

That's too much of a 1:1 causation there. There can be a number of factors,...and defensive adjustments to a 2nd-yr starter can certainly play a part of it. You try to take away a player's strengths.

Maybe you all the film from the whole season, though. What did you pick up?



https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-qb-brock-purdy-explains-how-defenses-have-adjusted-to-him-01j9c2w3datv

Thank you for the article that doesnt really address anything about teams adjusting to Brock's deep ball.

Hide from the premise if it makes you feel better,... lol.

The premise is deep ball accuracy. Nothing the defense did was making Brock unable to connect as efficiently on open deep throws like he was in 2023. Not connecting on an open target has nothing to do with what the defense is doing.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we finished in last place. ppl acting like other QBs can't do that.

i think what you will find when you log off here and go on most sites, most sites after 2024 would have goff in front of brock.
i'm saying they are both mid tier nfl starters, so was jimmy. now with jimmy, we never got last place when he was playing the games. only maybe when he was hurt. so this past year was a lil unprecedented. only kyle year where the QB was healthy and we didn't win games.

I don't care about other people's rankings. I've see Goff plenty of times and his performance the other night didn't surprise me at all.

I saw 3rd and 1 without a back in next to him and said "that's not smart" to my wife - critical fumble.

I saw them go 5 wide right before the pick 6 and once again said to my wife they're asking for issues - pick 6.

Goff is a very good QB when he has protection. When the pressure is there it's a mess and a prayer. Similar to Sam Darnold.

You keep bringing up team record to knock Brock but you have regression across the board with this 49ers team. QBs like Goff, Darnold, Jimmy would do even worse than Brock. For all the faults with Brock this year he never looked spooked like those guys do when things don't go well.

As for the losses this year…did we ever have special teams this bad? Defense that couldn't close games out?

dude hates the 49ers now after he realized jimmy was being carried lol

And he is copying and pasting our arguments about Jimmy and using them against Brock. Its absolutely comical. I would have missed all of this nonsensical humor if I didnt take Gore's advice and take him off ignore for the lols.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

lol, you are naive, hiding behind 'facts'. whether a throw is 'big time' or 'turnover worthy' is a matter of who is counting and what their criteria is. you can task 10 companies to identify and come up with advanced stats on all QB big time throws, and turnover worthy throws, and the 10 firms will give you 10 different sets of 'facts'. cuz it's a subjective matter, at the end of the day. imo there's probably too much going on in 11 v 11 football for the advanced stats to give you the full story. just watch the games and you can see who is executing and who isn't.

We could look at the stats for passes that traveled 20+ yards. Those aren't subjective at all.

Can you cite any other sets of facts?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we finished in last place. ppl acting like other QBs can't do that.

i think what you will find when you log off here and go on most sites, most sites after 2024 would have goff in front of brock.
i'm saying they are both mid tier nfl starters, so was jimmy. now with jimmy, we never got last place when he was playing the games. only maybe when he was hurt. so this past year was a lil unprecedented. only kyle year where the QB was healthy and we didn't win games.

I don't care about other people's rankings. I've see Goff plenty of times and his performance the other night didn't surprise me at all.

I saw 3rd and 1 without a back in next to him and said "that's not smart" to my wife - critical fumble.

I saw them go 5 wide right before the pick 6 and once again said to my wife they're asking for issues - pick 6.

Goff is a very good QB when he has protection. When the pressure is there it's a mess and a prayer. Similar to Sam Darnold.

You keep bringing up team record to knock Brock but you have regression across the board with this 49ers team. QBs like Goff, Darnold, Jimmy would do even worse than Brock. For all the faults with Brock this year he never looked spooked like those guys do when things don't go well.

As for the losses this year…did we ever have special teams this bad? Defense that couldn't close games out?

dude hates the 49ers now after he realized jimmy was being carried lol

And he is copying and pasting our arguments about Jimmy and using them against Brock. Its absolutely comical. I would have missed all of this nonsensical humor if I didnt take Gore's advice and take him off ignore for the lols.

he is ? lol

dude would get laughed at every time trying to say Brock is the same as jimmy in public