QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i'll always call em how i see em. we won 6 games. we finished last place. he was throwing the softest ball in the league. i see no need to have the pom poms out and crown the guy after that season. i would hope a down year factors into our deal and we get a favorable one.

You're full of sh*t and hypocrisy.

We won 6 games for a mountain of reasons not having to do with Brock.

no need to get so emotional. i am full of truth. i recall our lance debates, you said trey was great vs Chicago and trent williams was to blame. i called a spade a spade. he sucked. now you didn't want to hear that but that's the reality. brock doesn't suck, but he's not top 5 or elite either. he had a pretty poor season if you ask me.

And you're proving to be a hypocrite who can't even keep his arguments straight.

I never claimed Lance was great vs Chicago. That's an absurd take. I just said those were not conditions where you can make a proper evaluation on a player.

It's become pretty clear that Lance wasn't the answer which should be a reminder that not every QB can look great in this offense.

You're a box score watcher and your analysis is casual at best. Brock doesn't have to be elite or top 5 to be worth building around him here. This offense doesn't need a QB with a bazooka. It needs what Brock has proven to be able to do time and time again as long as the rest of the roster isn't s**tting the bed, including the coaching staff.

Originally posted by genus49:
And you're proving to be a hypocrite who can't even keep his arguments straight.

I never claimed Lance was great vs Chicago. That's an absurd take. I just said those were not conditions where you can make a proper evaluation on a player.

It's become pretty clear that Lance wasn't the answer which should be a reminder that not every QB can look great in this offense.

You're a box score watcher and your analysis is casual at best. Brock doesn't have to be elite or top 5 to be worth building around him here. This offense doesn't need a QB with a bazooka. It needs what Brock has proven to be able to do time and time again as long as the rest of the roster isn't s**tting the bed, including the coaching staff.

but you could make a proper evaluation. i said he sucked. so did nfl coach mike martz. he famously made an evaluation. he said they both sucked (trey and justin). he was right. can't we admit when ppl were right? mike took a lot of heat ppl said oh he's drunk. that's the lengths ppl go to, cuz they don't want to hear reality.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
And you're proving to be a hypocrite who can't even keep his arguments straight.

I never claimed Lance was great vs Chicago. That's an absurd take. I just said those were not conditions where you can make a proper evaluation on a player.

It's become pretty clear that Lance wasn't the answer which should be a reminder that not every QB can look great in this offense.

You're a box score watcher and your analysis is casual at best. Brock doesn't have to be elite or top 5 to be worth building around him here. This offense doesn't need a QB with a bazooka. It needs what Brock has proven to be able to do time and time again as long as the rest of the roster isn't s**tting the bed, including the coaching staff.

but you could make a proper evaluation. i said he sucked. so did nfl coach mike martz. he famously made an evaluation. he said they both sucked (trey and justin). he was right. can't we admit when ppl were right? mike took a lot of heat ppl said oh he's drunk. that's the lengths ppl go to, cuz they don't want to hear reality.

I remember Martz saying that. Turns out that entire qb class is MEH.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
And you're proving to be a hypocrite who can't even keep his arguments straight.

I never claimed Lance was great vs Chicago. That's an absurd take. I just said those were not conditions where you can make a proper evaluation on a player.

It's become pretty clear that Lance wasn't the answer which should be a reminder that not every QB can look great in this offense.

You're a box score watcher and your analysis is casual at best. Brock doesn't have to be elite or top 5 to be worth building around him here. This offense doesn't need a QB with a bazooka. It needs what Brock has proven to be able to do time and time again as long as the rest of the roster isn't s**tting the bed, including the coaching staff.

but you could make a proper evaluation. i said he sucked. so did nfl coach mike martz. he famously made an evaluation. he said they both sucked (trey and justin). he was right. can't we admit when ppl were right? mike took a lot of heat ppl said oh he's drunk. that's the lengths ppl go to, cuz they don't want to hear reality.

Making evaluations on young QBs in rain games like that is stupid. It was true then, it's still true today.

Lucky for us Brock has plenty of sample size to see what he is and isn't. What he is, is a QB who can run this offense to great success and has no problem dealing with big games or playoff atmosphere.

Considering we have nobody else available who has that type of proven track record then we can't let Brock leave. Making up nonsense trying to pretend Brock isn't worth paying isn't it. The whole idea "you can't pay him because he's not top 5 or elite" is frankly idiotic. That's not how things work in the NFL.

Did you have an issue when Jimmy G got paid the "largest contract in NFL history" at the time? Do we need to go back to those posts? Did you scream "NO we can't pay him that because he's not a top 5 QB"?

If not...then you're a hypocrite.

Originally posted by genus49:
Making evaluations on young QBs in rain games like that is stupid. It was true then, it's still true today.

Lucky for us Brock has plenty of sample size to see what he is and isn't. What he is, is a QB who can run this offense to great success and has no problem dealing with big games or playoff atmosphere.

Considering we have nobody else available who has that type of proven track record then we can't let Brock leave. Making up nonsense trying to pretend Brock isn't worth paying isn't it. The whole idea "you can't pay him because he's not top 5 or elite" is frankly idiotic. That's not how things work in the NFL.

Did you have an issue when Jimmy G got paid the "largest contract in NFL history" at the time? Do we need to go back to those posts? Did you scream "NO we can't pay him that because he's not a top 5 QB"?

If not...then you're a hypocrite.

you should be able to at least admit martz has an eye for the game, and he saw trey can't play vs chicago. you on some level probably understand that now, even if you don't want to admit it..

on jimmy, understand how we got jimmy. we traded i think an early round 2. a team going nowhere, giving up draft assets. do you really think we were giving up a good pick for a rental on a 1 win team? he was getting a deal from the moment we got him.

if the situation is different why should we treat it like it's the same. i think that's something ppl do on here. they look at two different players, in different seasons and say well if you don't think these two different guys are the same, you are a hypocrite. it's pretzel logic. makes zero sense man. for an example, jimmy was coming off being acquired for a pick and needing a new deal and played well. brock wasn't a big investment, wasn't traded in, not coming off a stellar season, i am seeing some differences here in the particulars. devil is in the details.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you should be able to at least admit martz has an eye for the game, and he saw trey can't play vs chicago. you on some level probably understand that now, even if you don't want to admit it..

Martz said the same thing about Trey Lance as he did about Lamar Jackson. He follows a script for players that fit a certain mold.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you should be able to at least admit martz has an eye for the game, and he saw trey can't play vs chicago. you on some level probably understand that now, even if you don't want to admit it..

Martz said the same thing about Trey Lance as he did about Lamar Jackson. He follows a script for players that fit a certain mold.

So did Parcells. In fact he had a specific list of guidelines to follow. For the most part, it worked. No "plan" or "guidelines" are foolproof, however.

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
Let's see your list to discuss your hypothesis.

QBs he no question has weaker arm than:
.Josh Allen
Drake Maye
Rodgers
Lamar
Russell
Burrow
Stroud
Levi's
A Richardson
Tlaw
Mahomes
Nix
Herbert
Dak
Hurts
Daniels
Love
Darnold
Goff
Caleb W
Penix
Baker
Carr
Stafford
Kyler

He's bottom 10 at minimum for arm

Originally posted by Kolohe:
No question, Brock Purdy was better than Jimmy G. The throws Purdy makes and off schedule throws that he makes are unbelievable sometimes. I've never seen Jimmy G go off schedule and make a ridiculous pass like the one Purdy had to scramble for in the Seattle game and Aiyuk dropped it in the endzone. How about the one in the NFCC vs the Lions were Purdy was under heavy pressure and broke loose to find Juice for a 1st down sideline catch.

f**k that, Purdy is the man.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you should be able to at least admit martz has an eye for the game, and he saw trey can't play vs chicago. you on some level probably understand that now, even if you don't want to admit it..

on jimmy, understand how we got jimmy. we traded i think an early round 2. a team going nowhere, giving up draft assets. do you really think we were giving up a good pick for a rental on a 1 win team? he was getting a deal from the moment we got him.

if the situation is different why should we treat it like it's the same. i think that's something ppl do on here. they look at two different players, in different seasons and say well if you don't think these two different guys are the same, you are a hypocrite. it's pretzel logic. makes zero sense man. for an example, jimmy was coming off being acquired for a pick and needing a new deal and played well. brock wasn't a big investment, wasn't traded in, not coming off a stellar season, i am seeing some differences here in the particulars. devil is in the details.

lol devil is in the details, which you keep ignoring.

Jimmy got paid after 5 starts. You had 0 problem with it. Who cares about the pick we gave up for him? If you have the opinion that a non elite QB shouldn't get paid top money then you should've been adamant about not having Jimmy get a new deal.

Brock is getting paid after playing for peanuts, saving us from disaster after the Lance move failing so badly and getting us to the NFCCG and SB in the two seasons where the team didn't completely collapse around him.

Regardless of what you believe the fact is when teams have a QB they trust to run their offense and help them win football games, they don't let them leave unless they believe there is someone better they can get. Brock has proven a lot more than guys like Lawrence, Love and Tua have. I'd much rather have someone like Brock show that the playoffs aren't too big for him and help us win games in all sorts of different ways than showing up lame in big games but have big arms like Lawrence and Love. Tua is a different case all together.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you should be able to at least admit martz has an eye for the game, and he saw trey can't play vs chicago. you on some level probably understand that now, even if you don't want to admit it..

Martz said the same thing about Trey Lance as he did about Lamar Jackson. He follows a script for players that fit a certain mold.

So did Parcells. In fact he had a specific list of guidelines to follow. For the most part, it worked. No "plan" or "guidelines" are foolproof, however.

That's not what he was referring to.

And for what it's worth Parcells would have a real tough time finding QBs to meet his standards these days and ironically Lamar passed a lot of his criteria.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
Let's see your list to discuss your hypothesis.

QBs he no question has weaker arm than:
.Josh Allen
Drake Maye
Rodgers
Lamar
Russell
Burrow
Stroud
Levi's
A Richardson
Tlaw
Mahomes
Nix
Herbert
Dak
Hurts
Daniels
Love
Darnold
Goff
Caleb W
Penix
Baker
Carr
Stafford
Kyler

He's bottom 10 at minimum for arm

Carr and Goff are right there with him.

This list doesn't change anything though. Purdy's arm while weaker in comparison is not weak for NFL standards overall. There are several QBs on that list who can't play at the level as Brock despite having a much stronger arm than him. Primarily because there is a LOT of the NFL game that doesn't require a bazooka.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
Let's see your list to discuss your hypothesis.

QBs he no question has weaker arm than:
.Josh Allen
Drake Maye
Rodgers
Lamar
Russell
Burrow
Stroud
Levi's
A Richardson
Tlaw
Mahomes
Nix
Herbert
Dak
Hurts
Daniels
Love
Darnold
Goff
Caleb W
Penix
Baker
Carr
Stafford
Kyler

He's bottom 10 at minimum for arm

Thank you. Ok. Perhaps I can't disagree with a lot of the names when it comes to arm measurables such as distance and velocity. But overall on your list for the arm there are names I would put below Brock. For example Dak, Love and Richardson don't seem to have the same arm accuracy. I think that counts as a measurement. Maybe his arm is middle of the road for velocity and distance but his brain and leadership of the team qualities makes up for it and is probably top ten. Reminds me of a quarterback we had 40 years ago who was surrounded by a great cast on offense and force on defense who didn't turn out so bad.

Originally posted by 1ovydog:
Thank you. Ok. Perhaps I can't disagree with a lot of the names when it comes to arm measurables such as distance and velocity. But overall on your list for the arm there are names I would put below Brock. For example Dak, Love and Richardson don't seem to have the same arm accuracy. I think that counts as a measurement. Maybe his arm is middle of the road for velocity and distance but his brain and leadership of the team qualities makes up for it and is probably top ten. Reminds me of a quarterback we had 40 years ago who was surrounded by a great cast on offense and force on defense who didn't turn out so bad.

I'm just talking arm strength. Anthony richardsons arm is insane. Carr has a cannon. Love has a great arm. Dak is ok, not incredible but above purdy.

As my original post said, I'm just talking arm strength, not accuracy/etc. Purdy doesn't have a favorable arm when compared to other starters and this showed up in actual/meaningful plays throughout the season.

Is arm strength the most important trait? It's not, but it sure can come in handy

Originally posted by frenchmov:
QBs he no question has weaker arm than:
.Josh Allen
Drake Maye
Rodgers
Lamar
Russell
Burrow
Stroud
Levi's
A Richardson
Tlaw
Mahomes
Nix
Herbert
Dak
Hurts
Daniels
Love
Darnold
Goff
Caleb W
Penix
Baker
Carr
Stafford
Kyler

He's bottom 10 at minimum for arm

The big arm stuff..who gaf lol..Darnold "has the arm" but looked like he was in a haunted house with all the ghosts he saw. You see his eyes? Brain melt. Horrified. Nine sacks. Purdy would never lol.

Lance apparently had a bigger arm too..what happened to him? Tebow...big, hot, sexy arm, look at him in those Jockeys too lol..threw flying turkeys sometimes and his processing, yikes, kinda in the Lance territory. Where is Tebow now? Writing another book? I could go down your list but I can tell ya Purdy can process better than a lot of them. Let's look at a few top qbs in your list..

Josh
Lamar
Mahomes
Stafford
Burrow
Russell

They all process well..they don't get terrified and see all kinds of spirits floating around. Poise, accuracy, reliable under pressure. They are trustworthy leaders in part because of these traits. Brock is in that same fold. I am excited about Daniels because he is also showing the same attributes. Early but looking good.

What's most important is what is in between the ears. Purdy is one of the best at processing, cool under pressure a good amount of the time, yes, he can throw deep balls too and no Poltergeist brain 👻

f**k that, Purdy is the man