QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It says passing attempts that travel over 40 yards. Do you have a link to the air yards numbers?

He did lead the NFL in Air Yards per attempt.

And PFF:
Brock Purdy was a deep-ball specialist in 2023: He finished first in positive EPA rate and threw for 12 touchdowns and 38 first downs on deep throws while recording 19 big-time time throws to only three turnover-worthy plays.

I will try this again, even though i've already explained it and CM also nailed it in the post you replied to just a few up from here.

PFF's version of deep ball passing is passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air (from the LoS).

The post you are linking here from FantasyPros has a bunch of different numbers in the chart. It includes air yards, however the passing interval numbers (10+, 20+, 30+, 40+, and 50+ yard passes) include yards after catch. You can verify this if you like (I did).

The reason Brock lead in AirY/A is because he dominated in the intermediate range of the field in our offense. He was exceptionally efficient in this area. CM explained this very well, and I have tried to already in the past.

lol. He's going to repeat it again anyways

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
$48.5 million annually.. Lol we will be the new Jags and Cowboys

APY means little against how it's structured. I'm guessing it'll be a 6 yr/366m contract with 120 jn guarantees and no more than 100m against the cap in years 1-3.

Name a franchise QB that's gone more than 3 years without a restructure or extension in 15 years.

nice! i appreciate you posting numbers.

on your trivia question, i like trivia i will name daniel jones. i think he just played on year 4. one may say he's not a franchise QB, yet he got paid like one and rang the register after year 4 (is my understanding).

No, he didn't. Jones was drafted in 2019 and his rookie deal was 4 years, they signed him to an extension after year 4 that went though the 2026 season, hence a 4-year, 40m/yr contract(2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026) His base salary was never above 1.3m on any season he finished with the Giants. His cap # for this season was 47m because he was released and they incurred a big dead cap because they released him not even fully through year 2 of his extension.

my only point is if he signed an extension after year 4, then he went more than 3 years without an extension. do we have agreement?

No, that's not what happened. He signed an extension on March 7 of 2023 and was released 1 year and 8 months later.

he played 4 years then got extended. that's my point, and you wrote that also. this is you: his rookie deal was 4 years, they signed him to an extension after year 4.

most get extended after year 3. he didn't really show enough and probably got declined his option for that reason. it's not big deal either way mate, i just took it as a trivia to answer your question of which QB didn't get extended after 3 year. he didn't after 3. he did after 4.

I thought I was clear, I was meaning AFTER they signed their big second contract.

My point is, everyone on a bunch of platforms keeps saying, "we can't have Brock at 60 million and keep our guys!!!"

Not one person has shown a structure that wouldn't allow us to keep who we have under contract, that fitsnanything if what Paraage has done. Qb's get these massive APY deals but they're structured in 3-year cycles. It's not even about any single year, it's about a 3-year total cap hit against the total 3 -year cap. For example, Goff signed a huge extension for 53m/year this last off-season. The Lions will have to make a decision on him after next season whether to extend again or go a different direction because his cap hits in 2024 and 2025 will be a grand total of 59m - and that's after a performance escalator.

His cap hit in 1026 is 69m. Even if he plays on his 3rd year, the first 3 years would be less than 130m total. We'll short of the 53/year he signed.

Mahomes signed a 10-year 50/yr contract but has already restructured twice.

Jalen Hurts's deal has kept him below a 30m cap hit in any season until 2026.

The APY doesn't matter as much as the structure of the first 3 years. Love, Lawrence, Tua - all had first 3-year cap hits less than 100m total. They balloon, then teams restructure.

The only QB contract I've looked at that wouldn't fit this structure is Dak's.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I thought I was clear, I was meaning AFTER they signed their big second contract.

My point is, everyone on a bunch of platforms keeps saying, "we can't have Brock at 60 million and keep our guys!!!"

Not one person has shown a structure that wouldn't allow us to keep who we have under contract, that fitsnanything if what Paraage has done. Qb's get these massive APY deals but they're structured in 3-year cycles. It's not even about any single year, it's about a 3-year total cap hit against the total 3 -year cap. For example, Goff signed a huge extension for 53m/year this last off-season. The Lions will have to make a decision on him after next season whether to extend again or go a different direction because his cap hits in 2024 and 2025 will be a grand total of 59m - and that's after a performance escalator.

His cap hit in 1026 is 69m. Even if he plays on his 3rd year, the first 3 years would be less than 130m total. We'll short of the 53/year he signed.

Mahomes signed a 10-year 50/yr contract but has already restructured twice.

Jalen Hurts's deal has kept him below a 30m cap hit in any season until 2026.

The APY doesn't matter as much as the structure of the first 3 years. Love, Lawrence, Tua - all had first 3-year cap hits less than 100m total. They balloon, then teams restructure.

The only QB contract I've looked at that wouldn't fit this structure is Dak's.

And this is why I have said don't pay him Dak money. It's got more practical GTDs and is structured differently. Might as well give him a FTGD contract because that s**t is pretty damn close.

I hear you and everyone else about those massive cap hits & they won't matter because you can restructure. My rebuttal on that is they actually have to be playing well to restructure. Mahomes will get restructured all day long for years because he's the best QB in the NFL…if Brock plays like he did last yr they aren't gonna restructure his deal which affectively gives him more cash and makes it harder to move off him down the road.

Honestly I don't see Brock taking a hometown discount or settling for whatever so he can "get back to work" like every player he will squeeze as much cash as he can knowing this could be his only big contract.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I thought I was clear, I was meaning AFTER they signed their big second contract.

My point is, everyone on a bunch of platforms keeps saying, "we can't have Brock at 60 million and keep our guys!!!"

Not one person has shown a structure that wouldn't allow us to keep who we have under contract, that fitsnanything if what Paraage has done. Qb's get these massive APY deals but they're structured in 3-year cycles. It's not even about any single year, it's about a 3-year total cap hit against the total 3 -year cap. For example, Goff signed a huge extension for 53m/year this last off-season. The Lions will have to make a decision on him after next season whether to extend again or go a different direction because his cap hits in 2024 and 2025 will be a grand total of 59m - and that's after a performance escalator.

His cap hit in 1026 is 69m. Even if he plays on his 3rd year, the first 3 years would be less than 130m total. We'll short of the 53/year he signed.

Mahomes signed a 10-year 50/yr contract but has already restructured twice.

Jalen Hurts's deal has kept him below a 30m cap hit in any season until 2026.

The APY doesn't matter as much as the structure of the first 3 years. Love, Lawrence, Tua - all had first 3-year cap hits less than 100m total. They balloon, then teams restructure.

The only QB contract I've looked at that wouldn't fit this structure is Dak's.

that's true. teams redo these deals all the time. in terms of keeping our guys, on some fundamental level it's reasonable to say ok we won't have as much money for the rest of the roster. QB1 at 900k is unusual. brock will certainly be taking up a larger percentage of our teams cap on a 2nd contract.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
He had great stats for 30, 40 and 50 yard throws as well.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php?year=2023

Once again, those numbers include YAC

That would be a great point if Brock wasn't at the top of the air yard per attempt/completion stats as well. Something he did once again this season btw but with lower YAC results.

People doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to pretend Brock's arm is a problem for this offense. It's not.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It says passing attempts that travel over 40 yards. Do you have a link to the air yards numbers?

He did lead the NFL in Air Yards per attempt.

And PFF:
Brock Purdy was a deep-ball specialist in 2023: He finished first in positive EPA rate and threw for 12 touchdowns and 38 first downs on deep throws while recording 19 big-time time throws to only three turnover-worthy plays.

I will try this again, even though i've already explained it and CM also nailed it in the post you replied to just a few up from here.

PFF's version of deep ball passing is passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air (from the LoS).

The post you are linking here from FantasyPros has a bunch of different numbers in the chart. It includes air yards, however the passing interval numbers (10+, 20+, 30+, 40+, and 50+ yard passes) include yards after catch. You can verify this if you like (I did).

The reason Brock lead in AirY/A is because he dominated in the intermediate range of the field in our offense. He was exceptionally efficient in this area. CM explained this very well, and I have tried to already in the past.

Purdy was tied for 8th in the NFL in INTENDED air yards per pass attempt last year.

The idea that he's just fluffing up his numbers because he's hitting the intermediate range over and over again is nonsense.

Will Levis led the NFL in that stat last year and all he did was air the ball out. It's simply disingenuous to pretend Brock fluffed up those "deep ball" passing numbers.

Garoppolo lived off the intermediate range and he never put up the air yard numbers like Brock has.

Like what is this nonsense? We all watched the games last year. Shanahan's offense isn't Bruce Arians. If you're expecting Brock to drop 40+ yard bombs every 5 attempts it's not going to happen.

Yes the deep ball passing includes YAC. Isn't that what some people are b***hing about in here when Brock completes a pass for 40+ but it's not in front of the receiver to run with it? Do you want YAC or not?

I've asked this of a couple of people now...how many plays have there been where Brock's arm clearly is an issue where he throws a brutal pick or underthrows a WR because of arm limitation. Since his arm is apparently so weak there should be plenty of examples of this happening.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It says passing attempts that travel over 40 yards. Do you have a link to the air yards numbers?

He did lead the NFL in Air Yards per attempt.

And PFF:
Brock Purdy was a deep-ball specialist in 2023: He finished first in positive EPA rate and threw for 12 touchdowns and 38 first downs on deep throws while recording 19 big-time time throws to only three turnover-worthy plays.

I will try this again, even though i've already explained it and CM also nailed it in the post you replied to just a few up from here.

PFF's version of deep ball passing is passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air (from the LoS).

The post you are linking here from FantasyPros has a bunch of different numbers in the chart. It includes air yards, however the passing interval numbers (10+, 20+, 30+, 40+, and 50+ yard passes) include yards after catch. You can verify this if you like (I did).

The reason Brock lead in AirY/A is because he dominated in the intermediate range of the field in our offense. He was exceptionally efficient in this area. CM explained this very well, and I have tried to already in the past.

Purdy was tied for 8th in the NFL in INTENDED air yards per pass attempt last year.

The idea that he's just fluffing up his numbers because he's hitting the intermediate range over and over again is nonsense.

Will Levis led the NFL in that stat last year and all he did was air the ball out. It's simply disingenuous to pretend Brock fluffed up those "deep ball" passing numbers.

Garoppolo lived off the intermediate range and he never put up the air yard numbers like Brock has.

Like what is this nonsense? We all watched the games last year. Shanahan's offense isn't Bruce Arians. If you're expecting Brock to drop 40+ yard bombs every 5 attempts it's not going to happen.

Yes the deep ball passing includes YAC. Isn't that what some people are b***hing about in here when Brock completes a pass for 40+ but it's not in front of the receiver to run with it? Do you want YAC or not?

I've asked this of a couple of people now...how many plays have there been where Brock's arm clearly is an issue where he throws a brutal pick or underthrows a WR because of arm limitation. Since his arm is apparently so weak there should be plenty of examples of this happening.

I can't go back and site a lot of specific examples but we saw some last year wehen he underthrew and the receiver had to wait for the ball. In some cases it was still a completed pass but the badly beaten defender was abler to make up ground and make the tackle preventing a TD. I saw it with Guerendo and Pearsall. The arm strength is also an issue when trying to throw into a tight window on intermediate passes.

His arm isn't terrible but it's no better than average. That limits the type of throws he can make on a consistent basis.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

It says passing attempts that travel over 40 yards. Do you have a link to the air yards numbers?

He did lead the NFL in Air Yards per attempt.

And PFF:
Brock Purdy was a deep-ball specialist in 2023: He finished first in positive EPA rate and threw for 12 touchdowns and 38 first downs on deep throws while recording 19 big-time time throws to only three turnover-worthy plays.

I will try this again, even though i've already explained it and CM also nailed it in the post you replied to just a few up from here.

PFF's version of deep ball passing is passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air (from the LoS).

The post you are linking here from FantasyPros has a bunch of different numbers in the chart. It includes air yards, however the passing interval numbers (10+, 20+, 30+, 40+, and 50+ yard passes) include yards after catch. You can verify this if you like (I did).

The reason Brock lead in AirY/A is because he dominated in the intermediate range of the field in our offense. He was exceptionally efficient in this area. CM explained this very well, and I have tried to already in the past.

Purdy was tied for 8th in the NFL in INTENDED air yards per pass attempt last year.

The idea that he's just fluffing up his numbers because he's hitting the intermediate range over and over again is nonsense.

Will Levis led the NFL in that stat last year and all he did was air the ball out. It's simply disingenuous to pretend Brock fluffed up those "deep ball" passing numbers.

Garoppolo lived off the intermediate range and he never put up the air yard numbers like Brock has.

Like what is this nonsense? We all watched the games last year. Shanahan's offense isn't Bruce Arians. If you're expecting Brock to drop 40+ yard bombs every 5 attempts it's not going to happen.

Yes the deep ball passing includes YAC. Isn't that what some people are b***hing about in here when Brock completes a pass for 40+ but it's not in front of the receiver to run with it? Do you want YAC or not?

I've asked this of a couple of people now...how many plays have there been where Brock's arm clearly is an issue where he throws a brutal pick or underthrows a WR because of arm limitation. Since his arm is apparently so weak there should be plenty of examples of this happening.

I can't go back and site a lot of specific examples but we saw some last year wehen he underthrew and the receiver had to wait for the ball. In some cases it was still a completed pass but the badly beaten defender was abler to make up ground and make the tackle preventing a TD. I saw it with Guerendo and Pearsall. The arm strength is also an issue when trying to throw into a tight window on intermediate passes.

His arm isn't terrible but it's no better than average. That limits the type of throws he can make on a consistent basis.

Problem is you can't chalk up every underthrow to arm limitations. The strongest arms in the league underthrow the deep ball too. That's how we get those bogus pi calls where the receiver has to come back to the ball. Claiming arm limitations every time a deep pass isn't perfect is just more confirmation bias

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Name a franchise QB that's gone more than 3 years without a restructure or extension in 15 years.

I have been saying this since the season ended. After 3 years we restructure him if he is earning his contract or we cut ties.

It's common sense that the "i dOnT WaNt tO pay hIM $300m" crowd is ignoring

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
$48.5 million annually.. Lol we will be the new Jags and Cowboys

APY means little against how it's structured. I'm guessing it'll be a 6 yr/366m contract with 120 jn guarantees and no more than 100m against the cap in years 1-3.

Name a franchise QB that's gone more than 3 years without a restructure or extension in 15 years.

nice! i appreciate you posting numbers.

on your trivia question, i like trivia i will name daniel jones. i think he just played on year 4. one may say he's not a franchise QB, yet he got paid like one and rang the register after year 4 (is my understanding).

No, he didn't. Jones was drafted in 2019 and his rookie deal was 4 years, they signed him to an extension after year 4 that went though the 2026 season, hence a 4-year, 40m/yr contract(2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026) His base salary was never above 1.3m on any season he finished with the Giants. His cap # for this season was 47m because he was released and they incurred a big dead cap because they released him not even fully through year 2 of his extension.

my only point is if he signed an extension after year 4, then he went more than 3 years without an extension. do we have agreement?

LOL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And this is why I have said don't pay him Dak money. It's got more practical GTDs and is structured differently. Might as well give him a FTGD contract because that s**t is pretty damn close.

I hear you and everyone else about those massive cap hits & they won't matter because you can restructure. My rebuttal on that is they actually have to be playing well to restructure. Mahomes will get restructured all day long for years because he's the best QB in the NFL…if Brock plays like he did last yr they aren't gonna restructure his deal which affectively gives him more cash and makes it harder to move off him down the road.

Honestly I don't see Brock taking a hometown discount or settling for whatever so he can "get back to work" like every player he will squeeze as much cash as he can knowing this could be his only big contract.

How many times do people have to tell you that it is physically impossible to sign the Dak deal because of what happened with Dak prior to his big extension?

"My rebuttal is you have to be playing well to restructure." Sir that is a really dumb rebuttal because, as has also been said to you many times, if he isnt playing well when it's time to restructure, you cut bait.

You are making this far more difficult than you need to be. You just need to listen and stop with the Dak, Dak, Dak....

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I can't go back and site a lot of specific examples but we saw some last year wehen he underthrew and the receiver had to wait for the ball. In some cases it was still a completed pass but the badly beaten defender was abler to make up ground and make the tackle preventing a TD. I saw it with Guerendo and Pearsall. The arm strength is also an issue when trying to throw into a tight window on intermediate passes.

His arm isn't terrible but it's no better than average. That limits the type of throws he can make on a consistent basis.

Why wasn't arm strength an issue in 2023? Again, Brock didn't just forget how to be accurate on deep balls.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It says passing attempts that travel over 40 yards. Do you have a link to the air yards numbers?

He did lead the NFL in Air Yards per attempt.

And PFF:
Brock Purdy was a deep-ball specialist in 2023: He finished first in positive EPA rate and threw for 12 touchdowns and 38 first downs on deep throws while recording 19 big-time time throws to only three turnover-worthy plays.

I will try this again, even though i've already explained it and CM also nailed it in the post you replied to just a few up from here.

PFF's version of deep ball passing is passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air (from the LoS).

The post you are linking here from FantasyPros has a bunch of different numbers in the chart. It includes air yards, however the passing interval numbers (10+, 20+, 30+, 40+, and 50+ yard passes) include yards after catch. You can verify this if you like (I did).

The reason Brock lead in AirY/A is because he dominated in the intermediate range of the field in our offense. He was exceptionally efficient in this area. CM explained this very well, and I have tried to already in the past.

Purdy was tied for 8th in the NFL in INTENDED air yards per pass attempt last year.

The idea that he's just fluffing up his numbers because he's hitting the intermediate range over and over again is nonsense.

Will Levis led the NFL in that stat last year and all he did was air the ball out. It's simply disingenuous to pretend Brock fluffed up those "deep ball" passing numbers.

Garoppolo lived off the intermediate range and he never put up the air yard numbers like Brock has.

Like what is this nonsense? We all watched the games last year. Shanahan's offense isn't Bruce Arians. If you're expecting Brock to drop 40+ yard bombs every 5 attempts it's not going to happen.

Yes the deep ball passing includes YAC. Isn't that what some people are b***hing about in here when Brock completes a pass for 40+ but it's not in front of the receiver to run with it? Do you want YAC or not?

I've asked this of a couple of people now...how many plays have there been where Brock's arm clearly is an issue where he throws a brutal pick or underthrows a WR because of arm limitation. Since his arm is apparently so weak there should be plenty of examples of this happening.

I agree. One of the things with Brock is that he is looking to push the ball down the field a ton. This is a good thing to have a QB he isn't going to give up on the intermediate to longer type throws. What you'd like to see now is for him to develop a little more patience and take more of the underneath stuff if that's all the defense is giving you. Jimmy worked in reverse to this where he often went to the check down far too quickly.

Originally posted by random49er:

Like the addage goes... once a great "deep passer"... always a great deep passer.

Be successful for a season and you have nothing else to ever prove again.

#StillLivingIn2023

I didn't say anything of the sort.
I think it shows what he is capable of and s**ts on a narrative that he has a bad arm.

Do you have any insight to offer?

Originally posted by random49er:

lol. He's going to repeat it again anyways

Most of your posts are about othrt posters and have nothing to do with the 49ers.

I have never once mentioned your name or referenced you in a reply to another poster. Not once.

You're weird.