QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What evidence is there that he wasn't the most efficient deep ball passer?

the prob i see here is ok 2023, you have a HOF LT doing a best in NFL season at that key spot. you have a HOF RB turning in a best in NFL and a career year. You have kyle holding the playsheet. and you want to go to the brock thread and say wow he's the best. i don't see you in the trent thread talking about his 2023. or kyle's 2023. or CMCs 2023. or BA having his breakout. it's a team game and the entire O was running at optimal if not career year territory. did brock have a hand in 2023, absolutely. but to sit here honestly and say oh he's the best deep ball guy, it diminishes the entire operation in a team game. it doesn't factor so much of what goes into nfl football. can we talk about how CMC distorted defenses to the extent much of the field is open? what do we think the gameplan is if we go into the opposing locker room and hear their DC and players on who they want to key on?

i push back on saying 'he' is the most efficient. the team was.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I thought I was clear, I was meaning AFTER they signed their big second contract.

My point is, everyone on a bunch of platforms keeps saying, "we can't have Brock at 60 million and keep our guys!!!"

Not one person has shown a structure that wouldn't allow us to keep who we have under contract, that fitsnanything if what Paraage has done. Qb's get these massive APY deals but they're structured in 3-year cycles. It's not even about any single year, it's about a 3-year total cap hit against the total 3 -year cap. For example, Goff signed a huge extension for 53m/year this last off-season. The Lions will have to make a decision on him after next season whether to extend again or go a different direction because his cap hits in 2024 and 2025 will be a grand total of 59m - and that's after a performance escalator.

His cap hit in 1026 is 69m. Even if he plays on his 3rd year, the first 3 years would be less than 130m total. We'll short of the 53/year he signed.

Mahomes signed a 10-year 50/yr contract but has already restructured twice.

Jalen Hurts's deal has kept him below a 30m cap hit in any season until 2026.

The APY doesn't matter as much as the structure of the first 3 years. Love, Lawrence, Tua - all had first 3-year cap hits less than 100m total. They balloon, then teams restructure.

The only QB contract I've looked at that wouldn't fit this structure is Dak's.

And this is why I have said don't pay him Dak money. It's got more practical GTDs and is structured differently. Might as well give him a FTGD contract because that s**t is pretty damn close.

I hear you and everyone else about those massive cap hits & they won't matter because you can restructure. My rebuttal on that is they actually have to be playing well to restructure. Mahomes will get restructured all day long for years because he's the best QB in the NFL…if Brock plays like he did last yr they aren't gonna restructure his deal which affectively gives him more cash and makes it harder to move off him down the road.

Honestly I don't see Brock taking a hometown discount or settling for whatever so he can "get back to work" like every player he will squeeze as much cash as he can knowing this could be his only big contract.

But only bad franchises outside the Saints getting double dunked by Brees's retirement during a COVID year, has ended up in cap hell because of a bad QB contract.

Texans signed Osweiler to what was the biggest Qb contract, he flamed out, they traded him to CLE and drafted Watson and made the playoffs.

The Rams paid Goff,the didn't work out for them, they traded him for Stafford and won a SB.

Denver paid Wilson and then ate the biggest dead cap in history and made the playoffs the same year they did that.

We paid Jimmy G, moved on and went to a super bowl the next year.

Does it make it more challenging if Brock doesn't work out? Sure. Is Kyle worried about that? No. Will Paraage protect the franchise in case it does? Yes.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
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Why the 49ers will make Brock Purdy the Highest paid QB.

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— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) January 22, 2025

I'll bump this because arm strength is being discussed. I talk about that around the 13 or 14 min mark, I think. It's the 4th trait I talk about. He can make all the throws. Arm strength is only a limitation for what an offense can do if the QB can't make all the throws.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
But only bad franchises outside the Saints getting double dunked by Brees's retirement during a COVID year, has ended up in cap hell because of a bad QB contract.

Texans signed Osweiler to what was the biggest Qb contract, he flamed out, they traded him to CLE and drafted Watson and made the playoffs.

The Rams paid Goff,the didn't work out for them, they traded him for Stafford and won a SB.

Denver paid Wilson and then ate the biggest dead cap in history and made the playoffs the same year they did that.

We paid Jimmy G, moved on and went to a super bowl the next year.

Does it make it more challenging if Brock doesn't work out? Sure. Is Kyle worried about that? No. Will Paraage protect the franchise in case it does? Yes.

i think the big hit would be the opportunity cost. as in, we had a ring worthy roster. 2019-2024. but no rings. having solid but not elite QB play is a big component to why this darn good run is ringless. kyle has done a lot of great things. if his best QBs are brock and jimmy maybe this is the just deserts.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What evidence is there that he wasn't the most efficient deep ball passer?

I have the same answer for you as I did yesterday when you asked the same question.

I must have missed it honestly. Can you point me to it or repeat please?

Thanks!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm posting my video from X because im in a dispute phase with YT and it's unable to be made public. It's not monetized but I'm posting things anyways. Appreciate any members of my support site that have helped support videos.

Why the 49ers will make Brock Purdy the Highest paid QB.

I don't know if this video will be monetized on YT or not. Huge thank you to the members of jfa49 for supporting this content. If you can or would like to support the work that went into this, I'll have links below ?? pic.twitter.com/7wpN5hbZ4x

— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) January 22, 2025

I'll bump this because arm strength is being discussed. I talk about that around the 13 or 14 min mark, I think. It's the 4th trait I talk about. He can make all the throws. Arm strength is only a limitation for what an offense can do if the QB can't make all the throws.

it's a well put together vid and you have a nice intro to boot

Originally posted by jonnydel:
But only bad franchises outside the Saints getting double dunked by Brees's retirement during a COVID year, has ended up in cap hell because of a bad QB contract.

Texans signed Osweiler to what was the biggest Qb contract, he flamed out, they traded him to CLE and drafted Watson and made the playoffs.

The Rams paid Goff,the didn't work out for them, they traded him for Stafford and won a SB.

Denver paid Wilson and then ate the biggest dead cap in history and made the playoffs the same year they did that.

We paid Jimmy G, moved on and went to a super bowl the next year.

Does it make it more challenging if Brock doesn't work out? Sure. Is Kyle worried about that? No. Will Paraage protect the franchise in case it does? Yes.

most of those deals they were able to move the QB.

Broncos got lucky finding their QB the next yr, we all know that's not usually how it goes down.

I mean look at the browns. Currently $30M in the red with no plan at QB. Falcons moved Ryan and still had massive amounts of dead money for a couple yrs.

the Jimmy deal was front loaded because we had a ton of cap space, young talent on rookie deals and no one to really pay at first. I don't really agree there.

im not saying brock's deal is gonna kill this franchise. They can be smart about it though. You're not gonna restructure a deal continuously if they aren't playing well, which is my point. Yes if he stinks (not saying he will) they can move on and eat a massive amount of DM one yr or so.

drafting will be even more important imo

I think both our points have some truth to it. That's all.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm posting my video from X because im in a dispute phase with YT and it's unable to be made public. It's not monetized but I'm posting things anyways. Appreciate any members of my support site that have helped support videos.

Why the 49ers will make Brock Purdy the Highest paid QB.

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— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) January 22, 2025

I'll bump this because arm strength is being discussed. I talk about that around the 13 or 14 min mark, I think. It's the 4th trait I talk about. He can make all the throws. Arm strength is only a limitation for what an offense can do if the QB can't make all the throws.

Arm strength only becomes an issue when you need it. Same thing with speed.

processing anticipation and running the offense Take precedent over arm strength without question …folks acting like it doesn't matter (not saying you) is silly though. It's the NFL you're playing again the biggest strongest and fastest people in the world.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And this is why I have said don't pay him Dak money. It's got more practical GTDs and is structured differently. Might as well give him a FTGD contract because that s**t is pretty damn close.

I hear you and everyone else about those massive cap hits & they won't matter because you can restructure. My rebuttal on that is they actually have to be playing well to restructure.

yes. TypeCast gave us some excellent posts and info, but seems to not want to acknowledge the possibility that he doesnt improve.

Originally posted by Izyniner:
I am not waiting another 30 years to find another qb that might be better than Purdy! Sign him and figure the rest out as they go!

If he is smart, he is going to sign.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

I am not waiting another 30 years to find another qb that might be better than Purdy! Sign him and figure the rest out as they go!

If he is smart, he is going to sign.

Yep, the team and Brock will find something that works for both.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Best deep passing efficiency rating of all time according to PFF in 2023.

Well there we have it. No need to clarify what counts as "deep."

Brock Purdy is the best deep ball thrower in HiSTORY. Do not question it!! 🤣

Originally posted by random49er:
yes. TypeCast gave us some excellent posts and info, but seems to not want to acknowledge the possibility that he doesnt improve.

You don't want to acknowledge the possibility that he was playing injured this year and will return to 2023 form next year. You're also delusional and think that 49er games take place in an undisclosed secret location, unbroadcast, so we can only guess on what happens based on connecting dots that don't connect. Rather than actually watching the games, you get your information from clowns like Nick Wright, who somehow missed the fact that every QB to play for Kyle other than Brock has sucked ass, aside from Jimmy in 2019.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
You don't want to acknowledge the possibility that he was playing injured this year and will return to 2023 form next year. You're also delusional and think that 49er games take place in an undisclosed secret location, unbroadcast, so we can only guess on what happens based on connecting dots that don't connect. Rather than actually watching the games, you get your information from clowns like Nick Wright, who somehow missed the fact that every QB to play for Kyle other than Brock has sucked ass, aside from Jimmy in 2019.

Lol. You must mean for the 49ers.

Hoyer, Beathard, Mullens and Lance aren't good QBs. Groundbreaking stuff.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
You don't want to acknowledge the possibility that he was playing injured this year and will return to 2023 form next year. You're also delusional and think that 49er games take place in an undisclosed secret location, unbroadcast, so we can only guess on what happens based on connecting dots that don't connect. Rather than actually watching the games, you get your information from clowns like Nick Wright, who somehow missed the fact that every QB to play for Kyle other than Brock has sucked ass, aside from Jimmy in 2019.

this is kind of a red flag. and i don't buy the 'he was injured' stuff. but i do read many ppl in here say he was off or he lacked the usual zip. that's a major red flag heading into a record type contract.