QB Brock Purdy Thread

I remember when Lombardi was using statistics and team accomplishments to argue Jimmy G was better than Aaron Rodgers, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Thanks, I guess I didn't miss anything because there is no tangible evidence to counter the statistical evidence, and assessments of Lombardi and PFF.

I am a person who like facts and metrics to support narratives. I am gonna keep countering narratives with facts.

There is available evidence, lol. I guess it was just you being disingenuous . Thanks for that Woo.

What you and Lombardi have proved is that Brock was the best in this particular PFF category - Brock was the most statistically efficient passer in the NFL 20 air yards out. Whatever that's worth.

I am open to see evidence. That is why I keep asking for it.

He was elite in several deep pass statistics.

20 yards out is a deep pass. 30 and 40 yard passes are included in the statistics.

Why do you think he is not a top tier deep passer in the NFL?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I am open to see evidence. That is why I keep asking for it.

He was elite in several deep pass statistics.

20 yards out is a deep pass. 30 and 40 yard passes are included in the statistics.

Why do you think he is not a top tier deep passer in the NFL?

You're not actually open to evidence outside of statistics. You've made that clear. You've also made clear you will dismiss what should be obvious critiques of the statistics being presented.

Here's an example in this post: You said the PFF stat would also include 30 and 40 (air) yard passes. That's definitely true, but how many 40 (air) yard passes do you think he hit last year? I believe the answer is zero. Maybe one in the playoffs which wouldn't count towards any of these numbers anyway.

I don't think he's the best deep passer in the NFL because he's not equipped to hit the deeper passes and he turns them down (or misses them) frequently enough on film to understand that this isn't a strength of his game. I do however think he was fantastic from 10-25 yards, which is arguably more important anyway.

Again, this whole argument stems from the obvious observation that he has one of the weakest arms among starting QBs in the league. And generally when people reference this they aren't talking about downfield lob balls. They're talking about being able to drive the ball outside the numbers, and fit balls into very tight windows (not into an opening in a zone for example).

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I am open to see evidence. That is why I keep asking for it.

He was elite in several deep pass statistics.

20 yards out is a deep pass. 30 and 40 yard passes are included in the statistics.

Why do you think he is not a top tier deep passer in the NFL?

i watch the games. i see guys all over the nfl absolutely shoot it. not here tho. it just is what it is. i see guys take sacks also that brock wouldn't take. i see brock throw without any regard for the rusher also. brock does things well. deep ball isn't his specialty. now if you want to talk layered throw, or intermediate throw or in breaking route that's a lot more what we does well. try to put yourself in the meetings that teams have.

when it's randy moss yes they are worried about the deep ball. do you really think guys in the league are worried game planning around the brock purdy deep ball? do you think that's what coaches and players around the league are fearing, cuz he's the best at it? this is a sincere question.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Brock 2024: 3,864 yds, 20TDs, 12Ints, 66% completion percentage.

Jimmy 2021: 3,810 yds, 20TDs, 12Ints, 68% completion percentage.

Is Brock real?

The season has been a disappointment overall but I'm still enthusiastic that we have a franchise QB going forward. Excited to watch the kid win big games year after year when they resolve the injuries and defense issues holding the team back.

Brady 3620 yds, 23 TDs, 12 INT, 60% completion rating.

Lol dude... u are reinforcing the point. That is why u have to watch the games and not try to use stats as a crutch.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I am open to see evidence. That is why I keep asking for it.

He was elite in several deep pass statistics.

20 yards out is a deep pass. 30 and 40 yard passes are included in the statistics.

Why do you think he is not a top tier deep passer in the NFL?

You're not actually open to evidence outside of statistics. You've made that clear. You've also made clear you will dismiss what should be obvious critiques of the statistics being presented.

Here's an example in this post: You said the PFF stat would also include 30 and 40 (air) yard passes. That's definitely true, but how many 40 (air) yard passes do you think he hit last year? I believe the answer is zero. Maybe one in the playoffs which wouldn't count towards any of these numbers anyway.

I don't think he's the best deep passer in the NFL because he's not equipped to hit the deeper passes and he turns them down (or misses them) frequently enough on film to understand that this isn't a strength of his game. I do however think he was fantastic from 10-25 yards, which is arguably more important anyway.

Again, this whole argument stems from the obvious observation that he has one of the weakest arms among starting QBs in the league. And generally when people reference this they aren't talking about downfield lob balls. They're talking about being able to drive the ball outside the numbers, and fit balls into very tight windows (not into an opening in a zone for example).

Spot on.... but he will avoid this at all costs.... lol.

Its why he will keep referencing deep ball without mentioning the required air yards to be considered deep.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

I don't think he's the best deep passer in the NFL because he's not equipped to hit the deeper passes and he turns them down (or misses them) frequently enough on film to understand that this isn't a strength of his game. I do however think he was fantastic from 10-25 yards, which is arguably more important anyway.

Again, this whole argument stems from the obvious observation that he has one of the weakest arms among starting QBs in the league. And generally when people reference this they aren't talking about downfield lob balls. They're talking about being able to drive the ball outside the numbers, and fit balls into very tight windows (not into an opening in a zone for example).

And this is where the fact that he was averaging 9.9 yards per attempt before the Ravens games comes into play. You can't say a guy averaging 9.9 yards per attempt was doing anything wrong whatsoever when it comes to throw selection/hitting throws. Nobody beats that. It doesn't matter that it's a "team statistic" (like all statistics). If nobody in the history of football has done it (at least since Otto Graham), it's clear from the context that what you're seeing on film is not something worth noting.

Quarterbacks turn down throws all the time. You just don't watch the other quarterbacks to know.

Meanwhile, the amazeballs Stat Paddy Mahomo averaged 4.2 air yards per completion this season. I'm sure he's totally not turning down deep throws.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
And this is where the fact that he was averaging 9.9 yards per attempt before the Ravens games comes into play. You can't say a guy averaging 9.9 yards per attempt was doing anything wrong whatsoever when it comes to throw selection/hitting throws. Nobody beats that. It doesn't matter that it's a "team statistic" (like all statistics). If nobody in the history of football has done it (at least since Otto Graham), it's clear from the context that what you're seeing on film is not something worth noting.

Quarterbacks turn down throws all the time. You just don't watch the other quarterbacks to know.

Meanwhile, the amazeballs Stat Paddy Mahomo averaged 4.2 air yards per completion this season. I'm sure he's totally not turning down deep throws.

I'm not necessarily arguing he was doing something wrong am I? I'm arguing deep passing isn't his specialty in a tangential argument about his arm strength and using that as an example along with a general observation (from watching) about his arm strength. Do you honestly disagree with that observation? I get you will argue it doesn't matter, but it's a pretty easy thing to acknowledge.

We've been over YPA.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'm not necessarily arguing he was doing something wrong am I? I'm arguing deep passing isn't his specialty in a tangential argument about his arm strength and using that as an example along with a general observation (from watching) about his arm strength. Do you honestly disagree with that observation? I get you will argue it doesn't matter, but it's a pretty easy thing to acknowledge.

We've been over YPA.

You don't have the evidence to make that argument, though (at least in 2023), as deep passing ability has nothing to do with arm strength (unless we're talking about driving the 20 yard deep out) and Brock turning down throws is not representative of anything when you look at it in context.

J.T. O'Sullivan made an observation about him turning down a deep corner to Aiyuk in the second Arizona game, making the silly claim that this is why he's not getting credit in the media (as if those clowns ever watch the film). At that point, Purdy's yards per attempt average was 9.9. The implication here is that if Brock were a better deep thrower, he'd be EVEN BETTER than 9.9 yards per attempt. That's ridiculous.

Brock can absolutely make that throw. It would've taken 35, at most 40 yards to the sidelines. Brock has 45-50 range to the sidelines from the far hash. He didn't turn it down because he can't make it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am open to see evidence. That is why I keep asking for it.

He was elite in several deep pass statistics.

20 yards out is a deep pass. 30 and 40 yard passes are included in the statistics.

Why do you think he is not a top tier deep passer in the NFL?

You're not actually open to evidence outside of statistics. You've made that clear. You've also made clear you will dismiss what should be obvious critiques of the statistics being presented.

Here's an example in this post: You said the PFF stat would also include 30 and 40 (air) yard passes. That's definitely true, but how many 40 (air) yard passes do you think he hit last year? I believe the answer is zero. Maybe one in the playoffs which wouldn't count towards any of these numbers anyway.

I don't think he's the best deep passer in the NFL because he's not equipped to hit the deeper passes and he turns them down (or misses them) frequently enough on film to understand that this isn't a strength of his game. I do however think he was fantastic from 10-25 yards, which is arguably more important anyway.

Again, this whole argument stems from the obvious observation that he has one of the weakest arms among starting QBs in the league. And generally when people reference this they aren't talking about downfield lob balls. They're talking about being able to drive the ball outside the numbers, and fit balls into very tight windows (not into an opening in a zone for example).

Why do you believe the answer to be zero? Could be, I would be curious to see the stats and see the leader totals.

I don't believe the narrative that Purdy has one of the weakest arms in the NFL. I haven't heard anyone other than a few here make that claim.

We know he is great at passes beyond 20 yards.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
You don't have the evidence to make that argument, though (at least in 2023), as deep passing ability has nothing to do with arm strength (unless we're talking about driving the 20 yard deep out) and Brock turning down throws is not representative of anything when you look at it in context.

J.T. O'Sullivan made an observation about him turning down a deep corner to Aiyuk in the second Arizona game, making the silly claim that this is why he's not getting credit in the media (as if those clowns ever watch the film). At that point, Purdy's yards per attempt average was 9.9. The implication here is that if Brock were a better deep thrower, he'd be EVEN BETTER than 9.9 yards per attempt. That's ridiculous.

Brock can absolutely make that throw. It would've taken 35, at most 40 yards to the sidelines. Brock has 45-50 range to the sidelines from the far hash. He didn't turn it down because he can't make it.

Well we were talking about throws like the 20 yard out you described until the conversation was derailed by the claim that he was the best deep ball passer in 23

Why not answer my question, and while you do it you can show me a single air yard pass Brock has that traveled 45-50 yards in the manner you mentioned.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am open to see evidence. That is why I keep asking for it.

He was elite in several deep pass statistics.

20 yards out is a deep pass. 30 and 40 yard passes are included in the statistics.

Why do you think he is not a top tier deep passer in the NFL?

You're not actually open to evidence outside of statistics. You've made that clear. You've also made clear you will dismiss what should be obvious critiques of the statistics being presented.

Here's an example in this post: You said the PFF stat would also include 30 and 40 (air) yard passes. That's definitely true, but how many 40 (air) yard passes do you think he hit last year? I believe the answer is zero. Maybe one in the playoffs which wouldn't count towards any of these numbers anyway.

I don't think he's the best deep passer in the NFL because he's not equipped to hit the deeper passes and he turns them down (or misses them) frequently enough on film to understand that this isn't a strength of his game. I do however think he was fantastic from 10-25 yards, which is arguably more important anyway.

Again, this whole argument stems from the obvious observation that he has one of the weakest arms among starting QBs in the league. And generally when people reference this they aren't talking about downfield lob balls. They're talking about being able to drive the ball outside the numbers, and fit balls into very tight windows (not into an opening in a zone for example).

Spot on.... but he will avoid this at all costs.... lol.

Its why he will keep referencing deep ball without mentioning the required air yards to be considered deep.

Why are you talking about me? You're weird.

You never reference any facts at all.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Well we were talking about throws like the 20 yard out you described until the conversation was derailed by the claim that he was the best deep ball passer in 23

Why not answer my question, and while you do it you can show me a single air yard pass Brock has that traveled 45-50 yards in the manner you mentioned.

How many 50 air yard passes were completed by any qb?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Why do you believe the answer to be zero? Could be, I would be curious to see the stats and see the leader totals.

I don't believe the narrative that Purdy has one of the weakest arms in the NFL. I haven't heard anyone other than a few here make that claim.

We know he is great at passes beyond 20 yards.

Because I watch the games. The better question is why you include 40-50 yard passes when they aren't there.

Saying Purdy has one of the weakest arms among starters in the league isn't a narrative. It's an observation. It's one of the reasons he was an afterthought in the draft, right or wrong.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Why do you believe the answer to be zero? Could be, I would be curious to see the stats and see the leader totals.

I don't believe the narrative that Purdy has one of the weakest arms in the NFL. I haven't heard anyone other than a few here make that claim.

We know he is great at passes beyond 20 yards.

Because I watch the games. The better question is why you include 40-50 yard passes when they aren't there.

Saying Purdy has one of the weakest arms among starters in the league isn't a narrative. It's an observation. It's one of the reasons he was an afterthought in the draft, right or wrong.

I have never heard anyone but you and two others here say he had one of the weakest arms in the NFL.
I include all passes over 20 yards. That is the standard for deep passing metrics.