QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well we were talking about throws like the 20 yard out you described until the conversation was derailed by the claim that he was the best deep ball passer in 23

Why not answer my question, and while you do it you can show me a single air yard pass Brock has that traveled 45-50 yards in the manner you mentioned.

Second Arizona game 2023, the deep attempt that was over Aiyuk's head (whether overthrown or Aiyuk not tracking it correctly) went 45, and Brock didn't really step into it.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I have never heard anyone but you and two others here say he had one of the weakest arms in the NFL.
I include all passes over 20 yards. That is the standard for deep passing metrics.

That is the standard for PFF's metric. You've seen the critiques. If you want to continue to disagree that's fine. All stats are flawed and this is definitely not an exception.

Try watching QB's around the NFL regarding his arm strength. I honestly can't think of a single starter that I could definitively say has a weaker arm. How important it is is up for debate definitely, but it's not arguable that he isn't at the bottom of the list in this trait.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Second Arizona game 2023, the deep attempt that was over Aiyuk's head (whether overthrown or Aiyuk not tracking it correctly) went 45, and Brock didn't really step into it.

I'll see if I can find it.

You don't actually disagree that Brock has one of the weakest arms of the starters in the league do you? Again, I understand and agree that arm strength is not necessarily* a critical trait. Just want to see if you can be honest, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Second Arizona game 2023, the deep attempt that was over Aiyuk's head (whether overthrown or Aiyuk not tracking it correctly) went 45, and Brock didn't really step into it.

I'll see if I can find it.

You don't actually disagree that Brock has one of the weakest arms of the starters in the league do you? Again, I understand and agree that arm strength is not necessarily* a critical trait. Just want to see if you can be honest, lol.

You're honestly the only person I have seen claim Purdy is weaker than every QB in the NFL including Mac Jones.

I am calling him a great deep ball passer. I am not interested in who has the strongest arm.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You're honestly the only person I have seen claim Purdy is weaker than every QB in the NFL including Mac Jones.

Brocks arm is not better than macs. Likely in the same ballpark. Brocks arm is absolutely bottom 10, likely bottom 5.

It's ok to say that. It doesn't mean Brock sucks. He's not a bottom 10 QB, he's not bottom 10 in accuracy or anything else. But arm strength it's really not debateable: he doesn't have a great arm.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'll see if I can find it.

You don't actually disagree that Brock has one of the weakest arms of the starters in the league do you? Again, I understand and agree that arm strength is not necessarily* a critical trait. Just want to see if you can be honest, lol.

Sure. Same with Steve Young.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Second Arizona game 2023, the deep attempt that was over Aiyuk's head (whether overthrown or Aiyuk not tracking it correctly) went 45, and Brock didn't really step into it.

Yeah, that throw was about 7-8 yards short of 45 air yards. I'll use JTO's video since you referenced it in an earlier post. Throw is right around the 28 minute mark:



While you're there you can watch the 1st play and another at 7:10. 'This is your weekly Bryce (lol) Purdy refusing to throw the deep pylon and corner'. Note the usage of 'weekly'

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Sure. Same with Steve Young.

Thank you (though I think Young's arm was definitely better than Brock's. Same with Montana. Neither were special)

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Brocks arm is not better than macs. Likely in the same ballpark. Brocks arm is absolutely bottom 10, likely bottom 5.

It's ok to say that. It doesn't mean Brock sucks. He's not a bottom 10 QB, he's not bottom 10 in accuracy or anything else. But arm strength it's really not debateable: he doesn't have a great arm.

Mac is also no longer a starter.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Second Arizona game 2023, the deep attempt that was over Aiyuk's head (whether overthrown or Aiyuk not tracking it correctly) went 45, and Brock didn't really step into it.

I'll see if I can find it.

You don't actually disagree that Brock has one of the weakest arms of the starters in the league do you? Again, I understand and agree that arm strength is not necessarily* a critical trait. Just want to see if you can be honest, lol.

Growing up watching Joe Montana and John Elway, IDGAF about arm strength. How'd it work out for Elway in 89? Give me the dude who processes quickly, has excellent ball placement AND escapability in the pocket over a big arm any day. Joe didn't even have the elusiveness of Brock. I'd say their arm strength was comparable.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Growing up watching Joe Montana and John Elway, IDGAF about arm strength. How'd it work out for Elway in 89? Give me the dude who processes quickly, has excellent ball placement AND escapability in the pocket over a big arm any day. Joe didn't even have the elusiveness of Brock. I'd say their arm strength was comparable.

I think you should rewatch some of Montana's games. I agree he didn't have a special arm, like Elway for example, but he had a stronger arm than Brock and he was more of an effortless thrower.

That said, I agree with your premise in general and always have.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Growing up watching Joe Montana and John Elway, IDGAF about arm strength. How'd it work out for Elway in 89? Give me the dude who processes quickly, has excellent ball placement AND escapability in the pocket over a big arm any day. Joe didn't even have the elusiveness of Brock. I'd say their arm strength was comparable.

I think you should rewatch some of Montana's games. I agree he didn't have a special arm, like Elway for example, but he had a stronger arm than Brock and he was more of an effortless thrower.

That said, I agree with your premise in general and always have.

strength, effort.. all this talk over what.. the biggest factor is timing and brock can hit guys in stride

Draft T and sign a decent guard, ditch Brendal for Henny and we give Brock his protection to make the throws needed

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i think the big hit would be the opportunity cost. as in, we had a ring worthy roster. 2019-2024. but no rings. having solid but not elite QB play is a big component to why this darn good run is ringless. kyle has done a lot of great things. if his best QBs are brock and jimmy maybe this is the just deserts.

Funny you weren't concerned about Jimmy being the guy even though he was clearly a worse and more limited QB than Brock…

Can you remind us how many QBs won SBs in the last 5 years?

Opportunity cost for Brock is nothing. As jonny and others have said contracts in the NFL without heavy guarantees aren't anything to hold a team back.

Let's be honest if/when we pay Brock and somehow it ends up not being a good thing then there will be plenty of changes coming, including with the coaching staff.

You're not going to have Kyle watch Brock head out the door. He's not going to swing for the fences again after the Lance disaster. Whatever reservations you and others in here have, Kyle doesn't share those in the least bit. That's why we didn't see Lance get to compete for that job in last years camp. Even with Brock coming off a major injury to his throwing arm they knew they had their guy.

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny you weren't concerned about Jimmy being the guy even though he was clearly a worse and more limited QB than Brock…

Can you remind us how many QBs won SBs in the last 5 years?

Opportunity cost for Brock is nothing. As jonny and others have said contracts in the NFL without heavy guarantees aren't anything to hold a team back.

Let's be honest if/when we pay Brock and somehow it ends up not being a good thing then there will be plenty of changes coming, including with the coaching staff.

You're not going to have Kyle watch Brock head out the door. He's not going to swing for the fences again after the Lance disaster. Whatever reservations you and others in here have, Kyle doesn't share those in the least bit. That's why we didn't see Lance get to compete for that job in last years camp. Even with Brock coming off a major injury to his throwing arm they knew they had their guy.

I would just caution to wait until we see the negotiation and contract. That's going to tell us a hell of lot more than things they've said publicly.