QB Brock Purdy Thread

Mahomes is all arm, his hands, muscles and tendons are perfect for chucking a football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Who's got a weaker arm as far as starting QBs go right now in NFL than Brock? I'd put him in that Mac Jones level. Plenty of people talk about him arm strength, since his college days.

like others have said, it's just one trait. He's shown he's damn good at other things like processing, anticipation, pocket presence and running Kyle's offense. I'd say that's more important.

But there's a reason why he's 28th in the league at completing tight window throws (over the past two seasons). Throwing a ball downfield isn't about arm strength necessarily. Every single QB in the NFL can do that…if you can't throw a football 40 yards downfield, you will never make it the NFL.

I am curious where he ranked tor tight window throws in 2023. Do you know where I can see them?

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
For Purdy, this season will be the telling one.

If he gets his $50M+ contract and doesn't get us to at least the NFC Championship game, the knives will be out.

Hope he doesn't do a C J Stroud.

CJ Stroud had a sophomore slump. Even then he played pretty decent with alot of his weapons hurt. I liked what I saw of him and I like what I saw from Purdy. If this is Purdy's floor, we have a great QB on our hands. He was dealing with a makeshift O-line all season, his #1 WR was out and the running game was makeshift. Purdy had to put the team on his back this season and he didn't completely fall apart. Purdy is far beyond where the so-called top 5 QBs were in their year 3. Mahomes couldn't even read a defense until recently. I live in Buffalo and you're a liar if you say that people weren't talking about moving on from "hero ball" Josh Allen in year 3.

Purdy deserved to get paid the moment he stepped in mid-game with scout team reps and beat the Dolphins. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU ABSOLUTELY WAS SURE OUR SEASON WAS OVER THE MOMENT JIMMY WENT DOWN. INCLUDING YOURS TRULY. So, let's not get it twisted. Not many QBs can do what Purdy did. He deserves whatever the top of the market is. He's an elite QB in the making. He's just a traditional elite QB like Montana, Young, Brady and Brees. He doesn't have the so-called "physical tools" of the modern day elite QB--just the elite QB trait.

There's nothing I hate more than narratives. The definition of "narrative" needs to be "repeating the same thing over and over until it's perceived as truth." Just look at the facts. We saw Purdy's floor this season and it's a pretty decent floor considering the the fact that the team around him was absolutely decimated. No 3rd year so-called "elite" QB could have done any better including the ones most of you worship.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by genus49:
You're right we do.

What we have is Brock having Kyle forget that you can make things easier for the QB, playing with a poor performing defense that can't hold any leads, a special teams disaster in virtually every game we have and injuries to key players virtually all year long.

And was Brock terrible? Only when compared to the high standard he set and even then he played much better than many of the QBs we've had here with Kyle when things weren't such a mess.

When you have your best down the field WR rusty and not playing like his former self then getting injured early in the year, while your reigning OPOTY RB is out, your TE having to stay in to block or banged up on his own. Young receivers not up to speed on the offense and misses critical time to build chemistry with you…it's not going to be great.

Mahomes the best QB in the game had injuries to his WRs, he had some issues on the OL. He was putting up his worst statistical season.

Should the chiefs asks for money back?

Newsflash. QBs need help regardless of how talented they are. People can point to Josh Allen playing great with his group of no name players but his OL is really good. His RBs are very good and while his receivers aren't household names they've been with him for a bit and that goes a long way.

We've seen Brock make big plays and big throws to the Chris Conleys, Ronnie Bells and the Ray Ray McClouds of the world when the pass protection is there. This year to me showed he's for real considering everything going on with the team in general.

Brock like every young QB can keep getting better. There is this weird belief that the kid is capped from developing just cuz his physical tools aren't elite. Simply playing more, learning when to check it down and play it safe are things he can still grow from.

Plenty of QBs would've completely wilted this season. Brock is made of the right stuff. We just need consistency around him and an OL that doesn't rely on the center for pass protection calls…while that center is arguably one of the worst in the league.

The difference with mahomes is he DELIVERS every time they need him. Every big 3rd down or late, despite having maybe the worst tackle combo in the league and very little at wr, he delivers. Stop looking at box scores. Watch the game.

Purdy this year failed every time we needed him to make a play late. I understand it's not all his fault that put them in that position but we needed him to step up vs vikes, failed, rams game 1 late, failed, cards game 1, failed, rams game 2 failed, lions game failed, dolphins game failed.

The difference between mahomes and purdy is people make excuses for mahomes why his NUMBERS aren't great. They don't need to make excuses as to why he missed the playoffs or lost games because he doesn't miss playoffs and doesn't lose many games

Hopefully purdy can drastically improve in that area because with what we're going to be paying him we need more from him or we'll continue to be a fringe playoff team

Heed your own advice buddy.

Worst tackle combo in the league? Hyperbole and BS. For a mobile QB rough tackle play isn't a major issue. KC has arguably the best interior OL play in the NFL with 2 first team All Pros and pro bowl RG.

Also Jawaan Taylor has his issues but 49ers would kill for those issues at RT.

You have a completely different offense, you have Mahomes with 5 more seasons in the NFL over Brock and you want to make the comparison?

How many games did Mahomes win this year because his defense dominated? How many impact special teams plays did his guys make? Yes Mahomes is an elite QB who is a proven winner and baller in crunch time.

49ers run a very different offense that relies on the center to call protections....while having the worst Center in the NFL starting out there.

You talk about watching games and yet want to sit back here and claim about how Brock failed. Let's just ignore the plays he made that guys dropped or OL failed to protect him in a key moment leading to interceptions.

And save the stupid Purdy isn't Mahomes stuff...no s**t. The comparison was to show how even the elite QBs like Mahomes don't play up to their own standards when injuries are involved.

I'm not down on Brock having a less than elite arm because he makes up for it with his aggression and his anticipation. My only real gripe with Brock is that he doesn't tend to play well in adverse weather and unless we can assure we're playing in a dome or in near perfect weather we have seemed to not get the same Brock or at least one good enough to outplay that day's counterpart. If he can solve that riddle then Brock goes up to a top ten guy easily based off his three years body of work

As it happens with Mahomes he does happen to be bailed out by having one helluva defense one would say

Can we get the Mahomes deal with Brock? His contract helps him keep a defense around him as well

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
As it happens with Mahomes he does happen to be bailed out by having one helluva defense one would say

100%. Montana always praised the defense and said it made his and the offenses life a lot easier knowing if they weren't playing great (and that happened more often than folks recall) they would still be in the game with a chance to win it etc.

Purdy has never been known for his arm strength. It was one factor that kept him from beeing drafted. His gutsy play and ability to process what he sees on the field allow him to compete. I thought hs arm strength looked worse after that elbow injury last season so I wonder if he was 100% down the stretch.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Purdy has never been known for his arm strength. It was one factor that kept him from beeing drafted. His gutsy play and ability to process what he sees on the field allow him to compete. I thought hs arm strength looked worse after that elbow injury last season so I wonder if he was 100% down the stretch.

it just limits the offense when the throws are consistently short or over the intermediate middle. the D they start shading toward that middle on the stem of the route and breaking on that stuff. see the lions game for example. so i see another red flag. the league adjusts and they started limiting or punishing what brock does well based on his tendencies.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I am calling him a great deep ball passer. I am not interested in who has the strongest arm.

This is untrue. You said this deep ball stuff NO ONE brought up was your counter to people that are not complimentary of his arm.

Now that you're seeing muddy waters around this,...it looks like a bit of a flip flop to go out the backdoor. Just how I'm seeing this.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Sure. Same with Steve Young.

Thank you (though I think Young's arm was definitely better than Brock's. Same with Montana. Neither were special)

Yea I like the "zip" that Brock can have on his passes, but it's not on Steve Young's level,...lol.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Purdy has never been known for his arm strength. It was one factor that kept him from beeing drafted. His gutsy play and ability to process what he sees on the field allow him to compete. I thought hs arm strength looked worse after that elbow injury last season so I wonder if he was 100% down the stretch.

it just limits the offense when the throws are consistently short or over the intermediate middle. the D they start shading toward that middle on the stem of the route and breaking on that stuff. see the lions game for example. so i see another red flag. the league adjusts and they started limiting or punishing what brock does well based on his tendencies.

Dude what are you babbling about? What are seeing about the Lions game? One pick was just a throw that got away from Purdy, happens to every QB regardless of arm strength. The second pick was Brock not looking off the safety at all and making a bad decision. Once again...nothing to do with arm strength.

I've asked you many times in here to give me actual plays where his lack of arm strength led to inability to run this offense. Every example you've brought up has nothing to do with arm strength.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Purdy has never been known for his arm strength. It was one factor that kept him from beeing drafted. His gutsy play and ability to process what he sees on the field allow him to compete. I thought hs arm strength looked worse after that elbow injury last season so I wonder if he was 100% down the stretch.

it just limits the offense when the throws are consistently short or over the intermediate middle. the D they start shading toward that middle on the stem of the route and breaking on that stuff. see the lions game for example. so i see another red flag. the league adjusts and they started limiting or punishing what brock does well based on his tendencies.

Dude what are you babbling about? What are seeing about the Lions game? One pick was just a throw that got away from Purdy, happens to every QB regardless of arm strength. The second pick was Brock not looking off the safety at all and making a bad decision. Once again...nothing to do with arm strength.

I've asked you many times in here to give me actual plays where his lack of arm strength led to inability to run this offense. Every example you've brought up has nothing to do with arm strength.

on that joseph pick he's sitting on the in breaking intermediate route. no real respect for a throw over the top. teams don't defend QBs the same. safeties probably play that different vs mahomes or j daniels. guys who throw a better deep ball for example.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Purdy deserved to get paid the moment he stepped in mid-game with scout team reps and beat the Dolphins. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU ABSOLUTELY WAS SURE OUR SEASON WAS OVER THE MOMENT JIMMY WENT DOWN. INCLUDING YOURS TRULY.

For the record, I said the greatest Mr. Irrelevant story in the history of the NFL was about to begin. Sure, my rationale was to be positive because of a "why not?" shoulder shrug, but at least I spun the "our season is probably over" vibe into a "maybe we'll see a good surprise" one.