QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Purdy has never been known for his arm strength. It was one factor that kept him from beeing drafted. His gutsy play and ability to process what he sees on the field allow him to compete. I thought hs arm strength looked worse after that elbow injury last season so I wonder if he was 100% down the stretch.

it just limits the offense when the throws are consistently short or over the intermediate middle. the D they start shading toward that middle on the stem of the route and breaking on that stuff. see the lions game for example. so i see another red flag. the league adjusts and they started limiting or punishing what brock does well based on his tendencies.

Dude what are you babbling about? What are seeing about the Lions game? One pick was just a throw that got away from Purdy, happens to every QB regardless of arm strength. The second pick was Brock not looking off the safety at all and making a bad decision. Once again...nothing to do with arm strength.

I've asked you many times in here to give me actual plays where his lack of arm strength led to inability to run this offense. Every example you've brought up has nothing to do with arm strength.

on that joseph pick he's sitting on the in breaking intermediate route. no real respect for a throw over the top. teams don't defend QBs the same. safeties probably play that different vs mahomes or j daniels. guys who throw a better deep ball for example.

Safeties play the personnel and scheme a lot more than the QB.

Also what throw over the top are you babbling about? Pearsall was the only WR on that side of the field.

We have a makeshift OL in there and the corner hangs to the sideline to cover downfield. Joseph made the smart play and there was nothing on that design to indicate he had to backpedal to cover the go.

That was a mental error by Purdy that had nothing to do with his arm. He didn't even try to look the safety off and had no business throwing that ball. Had Mahomes or Daniels been in the same spot and did the same mistake as Purdy they're getting picked just the same cuz you can't make that rifle throw in there due to the underneath defenders.

Stop making things that have nothing to do with arm strength about arm strength.

Originally posted by genus49:
Safeties play the personnel and scheme a lot more than the QB.

Also what throw over the top are you babbling about? Pearsall was the only WR on that side of the field.

We have a makeshift OL in there and the corner hangs to the sideline to cover downfield. Joseph made the smart play and there was nothing on that design to indicate he had to backpedal to cover the go.

That was a mental error by Purdy that had nothing to do with his arm. He didn't even try to look the safety off and had no business throwing that ball. Had Mahomes or Daniels been in the same spot and did the same mistake as Purdy they're getting picked just the same cuz you can't make that rifle throw in there due to the underneath defenders.

Stop making things that have nothing to do with arm strength about arm strength.

yes i am sure teams packing the middle has nothing to do with the QB they are facing.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Safeties play the personnel and scheme a lot more than the QB.

Also what throw over the top are you babbling about? Pearsall was the only WR on that side of the field.

We have a makeshift OL in there and the corner hangs to the sideline to cover downfield. Joseph made the smart play and there was nothing on that design to indicate he had to backpedal to cover the go.

That was a mental error by Purdy that had nothing to do with his arm. He didn't even try to look the safety off and had no business throwing that ball. Had Mahomes or Daniels been in the same spot and did the same mistake as Purdy they're getting picked just the same cuz you can't make that rifle throw in there due to the underneath defenders.

Stop making things that have nothing to do with arm strength about arm strength.

yes i am sure teams packing the middle has nothing to do with the QB they are facing.

You're not sure of much based on your posts here.

If the offense doesn't revolve around the deep ball and if the receivers on the field aren't known for their deep speed or running a lot of gos then no safety is going to drop back in that look regardless of QB.

That play was on the Lions 40 yard line. We going to pretend Brock can't hit passes 40 yards down the field?

Nothing to do with arm strength. Keep spouting nonsense.

Originally posted by genus49:
Safeties play the personnel and scheme a lot more than the QB.

Also what throw over the top are you babbling about? Pearsall was the only WR on that side of the field.

We have a makeshift OL in there and the corner hangs to the sideline to cover downfield. Joseph made the smart play and there was nothing on that design to indicate he had to backpedal to cover the go.

That was a mental error by Purdy that had nothing to do with his arm. He didn't even try to look the safety off and had no business throwing that ball. Had Mahomes or Daniels been in the same spot and did the same mistake as Purdy they're getting picked just the same cuz you can't make that rifle throw in there due to the underneath defenders.

Stop making things that have nothing to do with arm strength about arm strength.

Yea they were playing our tendencies, though our offense should be structured around the players' (QB) strengths. That was an inverted cover-2 IIRC. We got Tua'd lol. Nothing that can't be adjusted to.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
do we think josh allen and brock are similar players or on similar wavelength in terms of how good they are?

frankly if brock is worth a record breaking deal per the market (and i doubt that), let's find a new QB. you can get a guy in here like daniel jones, who is bigger, athletic, better arm, he's 6'5 230 and can hit all the nfl throws. he would cost like 1 year 10 mil. shanny gets the most out of QBs ok let's get a reclamation project and roll with that. better than paying 6 years $375m to a limited guy imo who is being valued richly cuz the club is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. this team has options and shouldn't feel obliged to jump off the cliff cuz other franchises have done so. he's coming off a down year, with his passes lacking zip and we won 6 games. let's pay him the richest deal in the nfl isn't it. almost like we've done this before folks. in fact, if he's worth the richest deal, well you would think we could flip him for multiple ones or something, right?

these are just my takes and as always, i could be wrong

Shocking. The guy who said the Giants were smart to sign Daniel Jones to a max contract is now arguing the 9ers sign him instead.

Daniel Jones can hit all the NFL throws if they are all in practice in shorts. Once the pads go on he's completely lost. Kinda like most of the QBs you like.

This ongoing argument over Brock's ability is silly. It's not an great vs bust argument. I hasven't seen many people say he's terrible. Most of his criticsa merely point out some of his deficiencies. It doesn't mean he's sucks or can't win. He's shown he's good enough in the right circumstances.

Fans that love Brock should accept him for what he is and stop trying to make him into a top 5 QB. His physical limitations are always going to be there. Hopefully his strong points will continue to overcome the lack of any physical abilities.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This ongoing argument over Brock's ability is silly. It's not an great vs bust argument. I hasven't seen many people say he's terrible. Most of his criticsa merely point out some of his deficiencies. It doesn't mean he's sucks or can't win. He's shown he's good enough in the right circumstances.

Fans that love Brock should accept him for what he is and stop trying to make him into a top 5 QB. His physical limitations are always going to be there. Hopefully his strong points will continue to overcome the lack of any physical abilities.

And my biggest argument against "most of his critics" is that all of the perceived deficiencies they believe he has, were not an issue whatsoever in 2022 or in 2023. Like I have said to others, he didnt just forget how to play in a manner that made him great those two years.

ESPN's Solak said the 49ers are going to hold up on offering Brock an extension since they want to evaluate him further. He said Brock had a great 2022 and 2023 season but his play changed in 2024. This could lead to a holdout by Brock this year. If this happens, I think it is the 100% correct decision by the 49ers, similar to the correct decision which would have been to defer in overtime. Hopefully the 49ers make the correct call this time which is very obvious.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
ESPN's Solak said the 49ers are going to hold up on offering Brock an extension since they want to evaluate him further. He said Brock had a great 2022 and 2023 season but his play changed in 2024. This could lead to a holdout by Brock this year. If this happens, I think it is the 100% correct decision by the 49ers, similar to the correct decision which would have been to defer in overtime. Hopefully the 49ers make the correct call this time which is very obvious.

Have a link?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Have a link?

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Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
heavy.com
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https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/49ers-predicted-to-use-doomsday-approach-for-brock-purdys-contract/

Thanks. Pure speculation, but interesting.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
ESPN's Solak said the 49ers are going to hold up on offering Brock an extension since they want to evaluate him further. He said Brock had a great 2022 and 2023 season but his play changed in 2024. This could lead to a holdout by Brock this year. If this happens, I think it is the 100% correct decision by the 49ers, similar to the correct decision which would have been to defer in overtime. Hopefully the 49ers make the correct call this time which is very obvious.

if 6 years $370m is the asking, well i'd draw the line at 5 years 205m. and he can negotiate a deal with his agent with other clubs. that's how you find out another team wants him for $370m or not. what strikes me here is SF is not very creative with their options. they have all but announced he's coming back, shanny saying he's QB for life or something to that effect. so they seem content to pay him and make their bed so to speak. i would seek a team friendly deal or explore other options.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
ESPN's Solak said the 49ers are going to hold up on offering Brock an extension since they want to evaluate him further. He said Brock had a great 2022 and 2023 season but his play changed in 2024. This could lead to a holdout by Brock this year. If this happens, I think it is the 100% correct decision by the 49ers, similar to the correct decision which would have been to defer in overtime. Hopefully the 49ers make the correct call this time which is very obvious.

if 6 years $370m is the asking, well i'd draw the line at 5 years 205m. and he can negotiate a deal with his agent with other clubs. that's how you find out another team wants him for $370m or not. what strikes me here is SF is not very creative with their options. they have all but announced he's coming back, shanny saying he's QB for life or something to that effect. so they seem content to pay him and make their bed so to speak. i would seek a team friendly deal or explore other options.

Best thing, let him play out another year.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who's got a weaker arm as far as starting QBs go right now in NFL than Brock? I'd put him in that Mac Jones level. Plenty of people talk about him arm strength, since his college days.

like others have said, it's just one trait. He's shown he's damn good at other things like processing, anticipation, pocket presence and running Kyle's offense. I'd say that's more important.

But there's a reason why he's 28th in the league at completing tight window throws (over the past two seasons). Throwing a ball downfield isn't about arm strength necessarily. Every single QB in the NFL can do that…if you can't throw a football 40 yards downfield, you will never make it the NFL.

I am curious where he ranked tor tight window throws in 2023. Do you know where I can see them?

Good question. Maybe the QB annual on PFF? I looked and it's down for whatever reason.

I'm going off of what Dalton Wasserman of PFF said in that Barrows article about Brock.

PFF's Wasserman noted that Purdy hasn't been particularly good on tight-window throws, attempts on which there is a yard or less of separation between the defender and target. It's the kind of throw at which big-armed passers like Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson and Sam Darnold excelled in 2024. Over the past two seasons, Purdy ranks 28th in PFF's passing grade on those types of throws.

"Purdy's never been particularly great at it," Wasserman said. "It all relates to the question: What is it he can and can't do?"

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And my biggest argument against "most of his critics" is that all of the perceived deficiencies they believe he has, were not an issue whatsoever in 2022 or in 2023. Like I have said to others, he didnt just forget how to play in a manner that made him great those two years.

NFL defenses adapt. What Brock did in 2022 or 2023 is immaterial in 2025. He needs to get better because defenses figured out how to play 2022 Brock.