QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And my biggest argument against "most of his critics" is that all of the perceived deficiencies they believe he has, were not an issue whatsoever in 2022 or in 2023. Like I have said to others, he didnt just forget how to play in a manner that made him great those two years.

Are you saying he didn't have a bad deep ball in 2024 or that his inaccurate 2024 throws don't matter because he had better performances in years prior? Not sure I'd want to endorse either idea.

I wonder if, I don't know… having his arm ripped off could effect deep pass accuracy?

I'm guessing Steve Young knows nothing about playing QB right?

Now the tricky part, offseason negotiations. Purdy needs a better Oline, a #1 receiver, a good backup if not starter at RB, depth at important positions on the offense. If he ends up taking 30% of our cap space on his own with a blockbuster deal which is what Dak takes in Dallas is he going to get a better oline, a starting WR or a potential starter at RB via FA? Are we going to have to rely entirely on the draft....with a GM that's had a lot of misses. Will there be much available of that remaining 70% when we still need to pay current contracts like Bosa's $20 million or Warners $29 million.

Steve Young makes a great point because he knows better, it took dang near the entire 1994 NFC prowl bowl roster to get him over the hump.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

I'm guessing Steve Young knows nothing about playing QB right?

His view of the game is skewed by colleges no longer producing pro style dropback QBs. I would have to say he's incredibly ignorant if he thinks you can't win from the pocket. The great pocket QBs from the era before could step on the field and compete right now if they were in their prime. They ran some of the most prolific offenses of all time

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
And my biggest argument against "most of his critics" is that all of the perceived deficiencies they believe he has, were not an issue whatsoever in 2022 or in 2023. Like I have said to others, he didnt just forget how to play in a manner that made him great those two years.

Are you saying he didn't have a bad deep ball in 2024 or that his inaccurate 2024 throws don't matter because he had better performances in years prior? Not sure I'd want to endorse either idea.

I wonder if, I don't know… having his arm ripped off could effect deep pass accuracy?

LOL. That's what you took from that?

What I am saying is that there has to be a reason that his accuracy wasn't where it was the previous two years. You don't just forget how to throw deep. Obviously something was the cause of his efficiency going down. Whether that was his weapons/line being hurt/bad, him having arm soreness, or a combination of both, I do not know.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LOL. That's what you took from that?

What I am saying is that there has to be a reason that his accuracy wasn't where it was the previous two years. You don't just forget how to throw deep. Obviously something was the cause of his efficiency going down. Whether that was his weapons/line being hurt/bad, him having arm soreness, or a combination of both, I do not know.

There have been countless examples throughout history of QBs regressing. None of them "forgot how to throw." What happens if defenses catch up and adapt and the QBs don't have the ability to counter that.

That is the vast majority. That's why there are only a few truly elite QBs in the league and everyone else is basically globbed together

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Last year was only year 3. Top 10 as a 24 year old on a last place team. Sounds pretty good to me

top 10?

I'm sure there's some stat that ransk him in the top10. That's what stats are for. Fantasy football and finding one that fits your argument. Many are dependent on the players surrounding the QB or the style of offense.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Garoppolo was dragged to the SB.

In all fairness... you werent saying that back then. I know because we argued about it constantly. I mean hindsight's always 20/20.

This has what to do with the Purdy conversation? You want a pat on the back?

When it comes to feelings about your starting QB,....its proof of how your perception can be a little too jaded if you aren't careful.

He's a better player than Jimmy,...but he might have a little more to prove than you think. So, that is the relation.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure there's some stat that ransk him in the top10. That's what stats are for. Fantasy football and finding one that fits your argument. Many are dependent on the players surrounding the QB or the style of offense.

You would be hard pressed to find any unbiased person who considered Brock a top 10 QB in 2024. I understand there's probably some advanced metric out there but.... No.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I'm sure there's some stat that ransk him in the top10. That's what stats are for. Fantasy football and finding one that fits your argument. Many are dependent on the players surrounding the QB or the style of offense.

The eye test is also influenced by teammates.

Stats aren't subjective.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure there's some stat that ransk him in the top10. That's what stats are for. Fantasy football and finding one that fits your argument. Many are dependent on the players surrounding the QB or the style of offense.

The eye test is also influenced by teammates.

Stats aren't subjective.

They can certainly be subjective in football. Just look @ some of the stats you've referenced the past few days.

Example:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
And PFF:
Brock Purdy was a deep-ball specialist in 2023: He finished first in positive EPA rate and threw for 12 touchdowns and 38 first downs on deep throws while recording 19 big-time time throws to only three turnover-worthy plays.

No matter the criteria they convince you of that is exact, these are humans deciding what's a BTT or turnover-worthy play and what isin't. It increases their product and it is probably useful (if u like PFF), but please don't say it's not subjective.

Please don't get average recorded rainfall statistics mixed up with FFootball Stats like you've recently mentioned and you can help yourself out of this trap.

You'd completely abandon these added metrics from FFootball sites and stick to the basic ones if your true interest was to minimize subjectivity. What this looks alot more like is having a stronger interest in stats that fit one's agenda instead.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure there's some stat that ransk him in the top10. That's what stats are for. Fantasy football and finding one that fits your argument. Many are dependent on the players surrounding the QB or the style of offense.

The eye test is also influenced by teammates.

Stats aren't subjective.

Both statements are true but stats are affected by the players around him and the play calling. Oline, RBs and receivers all have a say in those stats. A player like CMC takes a swing pass in the flat and goes 40 yards for a TD. The QB gets the 40 yards and the TD even though he threw the ball about 10 yards to a wide open player. The reverse can also be true. The QB fires a ball into a receivers hands and the ball bounces up into the air and gets picked off. Not the QBs fault but the INT goes against him.

Those are just 2 reasons I don't really care about most stats. Passer rating is a complete joke. Eight of the top 10 passer ratings are out of the playoffs or didn't even make them. Hurts at #5 and Allen at #8 are still in. Who would argue that Hurts is better than Allen? Jayden Daniels is #11 and Mahomes is #16. Does anyone think Mahomes is only the 16th best QB?

Lol not sure why ppl are getting their panties in a twist over what Steve said, he said every qb needs help lol. Read the fine print lol. Pretty much no brainer stuff there. Not a knock at all, Steve loves Purdy. But I can see why it would be click bait, the way the article had it set up, lol just to get ppl to continue to yap about the "ppl around him"...lol. Same old stale and silly argument ppl have talked about for like two years haha. Keep going around and around I guess lol

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LOL. That's what you took from that?

What I am saying is that there has to be a reason that his accuracy wasn't where it was the previous two years. You don't just forget how to throw deep. Obviously something was the cause of his efficiency going down. Whether that was his weapons/line being hurt/bad, him having arm soreness, or a combination of both, I do not know.

There have been countless examples throughout history of QBs regressing. None of them "forgot how to throw." What happens if defenses catch up and adapt and the QBs don't have the ability to counter that.

That is the vast majority. That's why there are only a few truly elite QBs in the league and everyone else is basically globbed together

Quarterbacks regress at age 24 after coming off an MVP caliber season? I'd love to hear examples of this. It's a "vastly majority" right? So I am assuming you can come up with tons of examples...

Originally posted by random49er:

They can certainly be subjective in football. Just look @ some of the stats you've referenced the past few days.

Example:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
And PFF:
Brock Purdy was a deep-ball specialist in 2023: He finished first in positive EPA rate and threw for 12 touchdowns and 38 first downs on deep throws while recording 19 big-time time throws to only three turnover-worthy plays.

No matter the criteria they convince you of that is exact, these are humans deciding what's a BTT or turnover-worthy play and what isin't. It increases their product and it is probably useful (if u like PFF), but please don't say it's not subjective.

Please don't get average recorded rainfall statistics mixed up with FFootball Stats like you've recently mentioned and you can help yourself out of this trap.

You'd completely abandon these added metrics from FFootball sites and stick to the basic ones if your true interest was to minimize subjectivity. What this looks alot more like is having a stronger interest in stats that fit one's agenda instead.

Those stats do contain subjectivity.

That being said, we haven't seen anything remotely subjective posted as a counter argument.