QB Brock Purdy Thread

Can Brock Purdy win us a Superbowl. Yes, he took us to one. But needs better players around him to do that and everything set up perfectly. Is he a Mahomes? No, there is only one Mahomes. Does he have a strong arm? No. Can we find a better QB in the draft? Probably, which is why we should draft one this year. Should we be paying Purdy top dollars and commit to him for years to come? I am on the fence on that. If you want to win a Superbowl, you have beat the best. Right the now, the best is Mahomes. You have to have a lights out defense to beat him. Can we get that with Robert Saleh? I believe we can have a good defense with him, but at level to beat a KC team? I don't know. We almost beat them with Wilks. I think we will make the playoffs next year but I don't know far we will go.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Can we find a better QB in the draft? Probably, which is why we should draft one this year.

This year looks to be a weak QB class. Maybe a long term starter happens, but I don't see it. There's absolutely not a surefire Manning type available. No guarantees obviously, but this is NOT the year to roll the dice on a rookie QB.

I would be cool with drafting a QB in the 5th-7th rounds as a development/backup guy. The first three rounds must be for positions of need (OL/DL/LB/DB).

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Mahomes the best QB in the game had injuries to his WRs, he had some issues on the OL. He was putting up his worst statistical season.

Should the chiefs asks for money back?

They were 15-2 (home-field advantage). Did you happen to watch yesterday?

If they care more about stats than results, sure.

But they have only lost 2 times this year because the dude simply does just enough to win games, time and time again.

A perfect example of why you can toss all of those stats in the garbage come playoff time (if you reached the playoffs) was displayed on the field last nite.

What shows up on game tapes should lead discussions here if we're talking ability. You can then follow that up with anecdotal stats.

Holy s**t man you argue what you want to argue.

The point was extreme for a reason. I've never moved Mahomes off my elite QB rankings and have had him #1 regardless of what was happening this year.

Their TEAM record including the win yesterday involves special teams and defense. The point wasn't that Mahomes isn't an amazing QB, it was that as amazing as he is when there are issues to his offense just like every other QB he's not playing his best football.

Clearly, i'm disagreeing with that premise! Of course i'm arguing against things I choose...like everyone else.

You related perhaps payback due to less stats than when he has Tyrique Hill running wild. Joke or not, you're directly linking stats to payment in that case and ignoring a 15-2 season record where game after game, he's doing just enough to win the contest.

You can't skip the eyetest and begin discussing money due to stats. Last night was a perfect example of this,....so naturally, I'm going to highlight it!

You can highlight whatever you want. How about highlighting the KC defense holding a 3 point lead with 3+ minutes to play to win the game?

I think if you squint hard enough you can see Mahomes on the sidelines calling in that play for Spagnulo! Amazing stuff!

You're one of the most annoying posters on here jumping on the smallest of minutia to make arguments that aren't there in the first place.

Meh. people get the point. Stats on 1 side,....results on the other.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Can Brock Purdy win us a Superbowl. Yes, he took us to one. But needs better players around him to do that and everything set up perfectly. Is he a Mahomes? No, there is only one Mahomes. Does he have a strong arm? No. Can we find a better QB in the draft? Probably, which is why we should draft one this year. Should we be paying Purdy top dollars and commit to him for years to come? I am on the fence on that. If you want to win a Superbowl, you have beat the best. Right the now, the best is Mahomes. You have to have a lights out defense to beat him. Can we get that with Robert Saleh? I believe we can have a good defense with him, but at level to beat a KC team? I don't know. We almost beat them with Wilks. I think we will make the playoffs next year but I don't know far we will go.

Could the same be said about Jackson, Allen, Daniels, Hebert, Love, Burrows and Hurts?

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Jackson and Allen are very obviously not on his level. Clear talent gap last night.

With the Bills especially, I saw a team that was out-coached, not out talented at the QB position. Everything on the Chiefs offense looked easier in large part because of it.

You need great coaching, great QB'ing, and a defense that can get stops at a minimum. You can potentially win without those things but you generally have to have some all time unit or collection of players to make up for it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Jackson and Allen are very obviously not on his level. Clear talent gap last night.

With the Bills especially, I saw a team that was out-coached, not out talented at the QB position. Everything on the Chiefs offense looked easier in large part because of it.

You need great coaching, great QB'ing, and a defense that can get stops at a minimum. You can potentially win without those things but you generally have to have some all time unit or collection of players to make up for it.

Yeah, Reid is an all time great coach. He has a HOF DC. HOF QB, HOF TE, potentially HOF DT.

people knock the chiefs for not being an offensive power house but they're very good at nearly all phases of the game besides offense (which they aren't bad, just now like they were in 2018).

I've said it for a while, bills need an upgrade at HC. I thought Belichick would have been a super perfect fit there. They need an upgrade but that's hard to find, their HC isn't bad but isn't nearly on Reid's level and their offense isn't talented enough as a whole to overcome a mediocre OC.

nothing about the bills staff is bad, just not nearly on the level of the chiefs.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Jackson and Allen are very obviously not on his level. Clear talent gap last night.

With the Bills especially, I saw a team that was out-coached, not out talented at the QB position. Everything on the Chiefs offense looked easier in large part because of it.

You need great coaching, great QB'ing, and a defense that can get stops at a minimum. You can potentially win without those things but you generally have to have some all time unit or collection of players to make up for it.

Josh Allen had quite a few wow moments for sure. But had he played to the same level as mahomes they probably would have won the game. Floated too many passes, too slow to read the defense a few times. But, I agree… the coaches didn't put him in the best position to succeed either.

my overall point here in the purdy thread is we aren't a great QB away from winning it all. All the QBs we currently consider to be great have failed repeatedly. So, in that train of thought, let's sign who we got and focus on building this team around him. The logic being, even if we were to acquire a qb like Jackson, Allen, or (enter your favorite qb here), it's proven to not be enough.

the answer is in talent development and a well coached team in all phases able to execute high level situational football.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, Reid is an all time great coach. He has a HOF DC. HOF QB, HOF TE, potentially HOF DT.

people knock the chiefs for not being an offensive power house but they're very good at nearly all phases of the game besides offense (which they aren't bad, just now like they were in 2018).

I've said it for a while, bills need an upgrade at HC. I thought Belichick would have been a super perfect fit there. They need an upgrade but that's hard to find, their HC isn't bad but isn't nearly on Reid's level and their offense isn't talented enough as a whole to overcome a mediocre OC.

nothing about the bills staff is bad, just not nearly on the level of the chiefs.

Chiefs retaining spags is a cheat code. Thing is, his playcalling is somewhat predictable due to the sheer amount of tape out on him and he still pulls it off. That CB blitz to end it was easy to see coming…hell they were calling it out in the booth. Somehow the OCs still get caught with their pants down

Honest question does anyone think Purdy has already peaked year 3?

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Honest question does anyone think Purdy has already peaked year 3?

I think it's possible. I also think it's possible we never put a team around him like we had the last 2 seasons prior to this one.

It's a tough question because I could see him continue to refine his skills and still have it not be good enough.

Originally posted by Jcool:
So in a game that KC won 32-29. You are going to say it was because of the defense and not Mahomes with 3 TDs? I am not here to try and argue defense isn't important because it is. But 49ers have lost two Superbowl's with top 10 defenses.

You had 0 issue lumping all the close losses the 49ers had on Brock trying to make a stupid point.

Close wins in general are team efforts, rarely do you see 40+ type scores from both teams where you can basically say the last team to hold the ball wins.

Yes Mahomes had a good game but my point was had the defense not held the lead, it's a loss and people like you would just have it as a number in the loss column.

That's what happens as fans sometimes, we're so quick to look at the wins and loses that we lose context or memory of what transpired in the game.

KC was 15-2 so of course Mahomes was just willing them to wins left and right by some accounts…forget the defensive stands, the turnovers, the special teams blocked game winning kicks or the other team simply brain farting at times.

KC is a well oiled machine from top to bottom. They know how to win as a team and if you don't play perfect ball against them you're not likely to to win the football game. The whole reason for the comparison is to show that the best QB in the sport wasn't playing to his own standard when dealing with injuries or inconsistency on offense.

AND unlike what Brock had here the playcalling for Pat was much easier. Screens, short game, heavy run game. When they were banged up they weren't asking Pat to be Superman. Even to someone as great as him Andy made it easy. For some reason Kyle didn't bring out the easy mode until we were gutted by injuries.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Can we find a better QB in the draft? Probably, which is why we should draft one this year.

This year looks to be a weak QB class. Maybe a long term starter happens, but I don't see it. There's absolutely not a surefire Manning type available. No guarantees obviously, but this is NOT the year to roll the dice on a rookie QB.

I would be cool with drafting a QB in the 5th-7th rounds as a development/backup guy. The first three rounds must be for positions of need (OL/DL/LB/DB).

The best QB the 49ers have drafted in the past 45 years is Brock Purdy. I am not sure it would take that long but I don't have confidence they could find one any time soon.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Can Brock Purdy win us a Superbowl. Yes, he took us to one. But needs better players around him to do that and everything set up perfectly. Is he a Mahomes? No, there is only one Mahomes. Does he have a strong arm? No. Can we find a better QB in the draft? Probably, which is why we should draft one this year. Should we be paying Purdy top dollars and commit to him for years to come? I am on the fence on that. If you want to win a Superbowl, you have beat the best. Right the now, the best is Mahomes. You have to have a lights out defense to beat him. Can we get that with Robert Saleh? I believe we can have a good defense with him, but at level to beat a KC team? I don't know. We almost beat them with Wilks. I think we will make the playoffs next year but I don't know far we will go.

Purdy is a top 15 QB in this league. Top 10 by some standards.

You're guaranteed nothing better than him in the draft so save the probably. Especially at 11th pick which we are absolutely not using on a QB.

One thing people keep glossing over about Brock with all the physical talent hardons going on is the fact that he NEVER looked phased by the playoffs.

Every question people had about him during the regular season "can he win without Deebo, can he play well in the rain, can he lead a comeback when down by 7+, can he comeback from a big lead"

He answered EVERY single one of those questions in the playoffs! And he had us with 3 leads in the SB in the 4th quarter and OT vs a dominant defense coached by a damn wizard. A guy who btw went out of his way to praise Brock AFTER the game.

But sure…cuz he doesn't have the arm or size of some of these guys he's "probably" easily replaced with someone better in a draft with a weak QB class. 🙄

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Honest question does anyone think Purdy has already peaked year 3?

I think it's possible. I also think it's possible we never put a team around him like we had the last 2 seasons prior to this one.

It's a tough question because I could see him continue to refine his skills and still have it not be good enough.

It's not a tough question. What QB peaks in his first 3 seasons? There is this silly idea that only the Uber athlete QBs can develop.

Did Kap ever develop? There are things Purdy can work on and unlike Kap I expect him to do those things. Kap worked on his running ability more than the mental part of the game. While Brock can't develop his arm or legs to match what Kap was able to do he can work on his mechanics to make his arm more consistent to keep the accuracy on point, maybe get a little extra juice added. But the big thing is just development in terms of game situations and how he reacts to them.

You can see it in guys like Mahomes, Allen and Lamar. Their game management is WAY better than it used to be. Brock isn't anywhere near their talent but same applies to him. Make better decisions, figure out when to be more aggressive in a safe way, etc.

He can continue to improve.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's not a tough question. What QB peaks in his first 3 seasons? There is this silly idea that only the Uber athlete QBs can develop.

Did Kap ever develop? There are things Purdy can work on and unlike Kap I expect him to do those things. Kap worked on his running ability more than the mental part of the game. While Brock can't develop his arm or legs to match what Kap was able to do he can work on his mechanics to make his arm more consistent to keep the accuracy on point, maybe get a little extra juice added. But the big thing is just development in terms of game situations and how he reacts to them.

You can see it in guys like Mahomes, Allen and Lamar. Their game management is WAY better than it used to be. Brock isn't anywhere near their talent but same applies to him. Make better decisions, figure out when to be more aggressive in a safe way, etc.

He can continue to improve.

I flat out said he could refine his skills (ie improve) and it still may not be good enough.

I also never indicated that only uber talented QBs can develop. There's a wide range between elite talent and what's an acceptable level of talent as a starting NFL QB.