QB Brock Purdy Thread

I usually joke around, but they can technically get Purdys deal done today correct? Are any rules forcing them to wait etc?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
The idea seems absurd to me. Although I do tend to think Kyle ruins QBs over time

Respectfully, lol, this will never not be a crazy idea to me.

Even Jimmy, I would vehemently argue against the idea that Kyle ruined him. And there is literally zero other QBs where you could even make the case that Kyle ruined.

Just an utterly ridiculous idea.

RG3, Matt Ryan, Johnny Manzeil, Matt Schaub, Jimmy G (who was better before he learned the playbook), I mean Trey Lance didn't even get a chance to and he somehow went from top 10 talent to worthless.

You can't be f**king serious with this...

Ruined Matt Ryan? By what giving him the best season of his career?
RG3? You mean when he had one of the best rookie seasons at the time with Kyle? Think his injury had something to do with his decline after that?
Manziel? The 2 games he had as a rookie? The guy who was out of the league after 2 years? The dude who was known to be a lazy dumbass somehow couldn't handle one of the more complex schemes as a rookie?
Schaub? Cuz his career year under Shanahan in year 2 somehow screams ruined right?
Jimmy G looks oh so great without Kyle.
Trey Lance just killing it as the starter for Dallas right?

Please tell me that was pure sarcasm.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by jcs:
RG3, Matt Ryan, Johnny Manzeil, Matt Schaub, Jimmy G (who was better before he learned the playbook), I mean Trey Lance didn't even get a chance to and he somehow went from top 10 talent to worthless.

You're just listing QBs here. Explain how he ruined Ryan, Schaub, or Jimmy G. FFS Johnny Manziel played two games for him and he reportedly forced his way out of Cleveland over ownership's handling of the situation.*

Ryan was an MVP caliber player before Kyle got there. He didn't develop the guy. Kyle's scheme did maximize the talent and speed when he was there and Matt did win an MVP with him but Kyle in a huge part cost them the SB and Ryan was never the same dominate player after that year, He was still putting up numbers but he was never a threat in the playoffs for the remainder of his career.

Jimmy was better in 2017 than any other year here IMO....he was explosive and he did it on instinct with a roster that should have only won 2 games max..and most importantly he was outside of Kyle's system...he was good enough to land a $100 million dollar contract. He was never that great since after learning the playbook and while he won A lot here he was never the same explosive passer.

Kyle was Manzeils rookie season OC...developed well.

Kyle was Lances Rookie HC/OC...developed him well.

The best case is RG3 who still blames the Shannahans for destroying his career by running him into the ground, "literally"

holy s**t...you were serious!?

Originally posted by Toughniner:
Dear fellow Niner-Fans,

I really like Brock. I admire the speed with which he reads defenses and processes information. I also think his arm is better than many thought and should get even stronger with training.

However, that's where I see one of the biggest limitations. So far Brock hasn't proven that he can throw darts when it's really cold. Even in warm weather, deep passes are often under thrown. I'm also not always convinced by his throws to the outside.

Yes, Brock should get a decent contract, but please in the 50 million dollar range. Not top dollars.

That beeing said: remember Lynch was at Mahomes' Pro Day, called Shanahan and said. "Kyle, we have to draft him. He's putting on a show here" and Shanahan pointed out that they just had traded for Garoppolo....

Nonetheless, I don't like the Chiefs (as much as I like Andy Reid) nor the Eagles...

That was not what John said. Let's not remake history.

Fun fact - when the Chiefs traded up to select Mahomes they got a ton of crap from folks for doing it.

Now obviously they look brilliant and every team was stupid for not taking him who had a chance at taking him. In a hindsight draft we don't get Mahomes because Cleveland would draft him #1 overall.

As for Brock not being able to throw in bad weather we need to relax on that a bit. The Buffalo game was a very different situation because Brock was coming off a shoulder injury and if we actually recall the game the biggest issue was footing. Our guys couldn't get out of their cuts properly or would be falling down. Brock's arm wasn't the problem to worry about, especially because we play in California. Sure if you're not getting homefield through the playoffs you can find yourself having to play in the snow/cold. Brock played in college at Iowa. This isn't a situation where the guy spent all his days in Arizona and b***hes up at the first sign of cold.

The rain games are another story but let's also not forget Brock has 2 playoff wins in the rain. Including his best statistical performance vs Seattle in his very first playoff game.

Originally posted by Toughniner:
Dear fellow Niner-Fans,

I really like Brock. I admire the speed with which he reads defenses and processes information. I also think his arm is better than many thought and should get even stronger with training.

However, that's where I see one of the biggest limitations. So far Brock hasn't proven that he can throw darts when it's really cold. Even in warm weather, deep passes are often under thrown. I'm also not always convinced by his throws to the outside.

Yes, Brock should get a decent contract, but please in the 50 million dollar range. Not top dollars.

That beeing said: remember Lynch was at Mahomes' Pro Day, called Shanahan and said. "Kyle, we have to draft him. He's putting on a show here" and Shanahan pointed out that they just had traded for Garoppolo....

Nonetheless, I don't like the Chiefs (as much as I like Andy Reid) nor the Eagles...

Jimmy was still on NE when the draft took place, he was traded for during the season. Lynch was at the Pro Day and told Shanahan they should take another look at Mahomes because he was wowing with his throws. Not exactly sure what Shanahan said but it was to the effect of we are going to get Cousins we don't need to look at QBs.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
our defense was more dominant in the second meeting. but again, a freakish occurrence happened where our offense and STs hand over the ball to give KC life. Without those turnovers, does KC even score ?

Have a hard time giving the D credit last year over 19 just because it was a different opponent (in the same uniform). The 19 Chiefs were a great offense and mediocre defense and the opposite was true in 23,

That said, I agree the turnovers were the primary reason we lost, especially the 'muffed' punt. It was damn near a stalemate even with them.

For 2019 & the chiefs, last 1/4 of season they definitely were not mediocre. Check out the last 6 or so games of the year & the playoffs.

In the Chiefs last 6 games of 2019, they allowed an average of 11.5 points per game.
https://arrowheadone.com/can-this-chiefs-defense-be-a-championship-defense-in-time/amp/

Coming into the SB, The chiefs defense was hot & were ranked higher than the 49ers looking at the last 1/4 of games & playoffs.

Originally posted by genus49:
That was not what John said. Let's not remake history.

Fun fact - when the Chiefs traded up to select Mahomes they got a ton of crap from folks for doing it.

Now obviously they look brilliant and every team was stupid for not taking him who had a chance at taking him. In a hindsight draft we don't get Mahomes because Cleveland would draft him #1 overall.

As for Brock not being able to throw in bad weather we need to relax on that a bit. The Buffalo game was a very different situation because Brock was coming off a shoulder injury and if we actually recall the game the biggest issue was footing. Our guys couldn't get out of their cuts properly or would be falling down. Brock's arm wasn't the problem to worry about, especially because we play in California. Sure if you're not getting homefield through the playoffs you can find yourself having to play in the snow/cold. Brock played in college at Iowa. This isn't a situation where the guy spent all his days in Arizona and b***hes up at the first sign of cold.

The rain games are another story but let's also not forget Brock has 2 playoff wins in the rain. Including his best statistical performance vs Seattle in his very first playoff game.

Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think he peaked. I think he actually grew in a lot of ways outside of what we've seen the first two years but there was a steep decline of what is usually around him this year - which made the stuff he made look easy, much more difficult.

Brock by no means was perfect and has things to get better at, but there were a plethora of issues around him that also hurt him, not support him.

but… his major concern in college was that he didn't really improve a ton from frosh to senior year (specifically stats) but idk if that's cause of the diminish around him or he just has a really high floor?

I still believe in him. He isn't on Josh Allen's level - where he can cover up a ton of talent issues weekly, but I think he is easily a top 10 qb and if we can fix the stuff we did horrible this year - we will be contending again.

WR sep was awful this year. Run game was super inconsistent and unreliable in the pass game. Pass blocking was trash. Those things make
the offense very predictable.

Hmmm. Our 2 main RBs this year both averaged over 5 YPC, though, right? Mason hit at 5.2 yards a pop and Guernendo was @ 5.0ypc.

Per PFF, the OLine graded out at 13th overall, with a PBWR @ 14th overall.

ESPN had us at 14th overall at PBWR as well.

ALL of these ratings above are above average, in contrast to what you are saying.

Are you sure that everything around him was absolutely horrible?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by genus49:
That was not what John said. Let's not remake history.

Fun fact - when the Chiefs traded up to select Mahomes they got a ton of crap from folks for doing it.

Now obviously they look brilliant and every team was stupid for not taking him who had a chance at taking him. In a hindsight draft we don't get Mahomes because Cleveland would draft him #1 overall.

As for Brock not being able to throw in bad weather we need to relax on that a bit. The Buffalo game was a very different situation because Brock was coming off a shoulder injury and if we actually recall the game the biggest issue was footing. Our guys couldn't get out of their cuts properly or would be falling down. Brock's arm wasn't the problem to worry about, especially because we play in California. Sure if you're not getting homefield through the playoffs you can find yourself having to play in the snow/cold. Brock played in college at Iowa. This isn't a situation where the guy spent all his days in Arizona and b***hes up at the first sign of cold.

The rain games are another story but let's also not forget Brock has 2 playoff wins in the rain. Including his best statistical performance vs Seattle in his very first playoff game.

Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

It rained. We won and won big.
It rained vs GB. We won as he led a game winning TD drive making a big boy throw to Chris Conley with Deebo hurt.

Show me a QB who plays great in a downpour. How good was Stafford playing in the rain game in the second matchup we had? Brock was making much better throws in that game and Stafford only showed up big when we had coverage breakdowns in the secondary and he hit wide open guys.

Stafford have a bad arm too?

5 year $500m fully guaranteed

Originally posted by 9erson3:
5 year $500m fully guaranteed

Because why not?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hate the belittling of Brock. He's not Mahomes or Allen, but he's good enough for what we need. That guy got made because he thought I was directing that at him. Miscommunication is the center of a lot of s**t in life.

you literally need mahomes or a QB on that level. brady and mahomes have won every ring of the last 100 years if my memory is correct. they have won more than our entire franchise. so you can pay a good not great QB and you will watch the truly great QB win the ring every season. all the other lil stuff we shuffle around every offseason means nothing

Is Jalen Hurts on that level?

Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are the only QBs on his level. How many SBs have they been to?

Luckily for us,...Mahomes and his gang is kinda blocking things over there in the AFC,...lol. Take that guy out of the their conference and they'd both have made it by now.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think he peaked. I think he actually grew in a lot of ways outside of what we've seen the first two years but there was a steep decline of what is usually around him this year - which made the stuff he made look easy, much more difficult.

Brock by no means was perfect and has things to get better at, but there were a plethora of issues around him that also hurt him, not support him.

but… his major concern in college was that he didn't really improve a ton from frosh to senior year (specifically stats) but idk if that's cause of the diminish around him or he just has a really high floor?

I still believe in him. He isn't on Josh Allen's level - where he can cover up a ton of talent issues weekly, but I think he is easily a top 10 qb and if we can fix the stuff we did horrible this year - we will be contending again.

WR sep was awful this year. Run game was super inconsistent and unreliable in the pass game. Pass blocking was trash. Those things make
the offense very predictable.

Hmmm. Our 2 main RBs this year both averaged over 5 YPC, though, right? Mason hit at 5.2 yards a pop and Guernendo was @ 5.0ypc.

Per PFF, the OLine graded out at 13th overall, with a PBWR @ 14th overall. Both of these are above average, in contrast to what you are saying.

Are you sure that everything around him was absolutely horrible?

Not everything but using PFF grades to grade OL is straight up disingenuous. For instance they don't negatively grade OLmen who let defenders go unblocked. So Spencer Burford in OT on a key 3rd down was a net neutral grade wise for them.

But if you want to bring up PFF ratings for the OL why not remind people about the so called pass pro Brock had last year? You know when it was 26th?

The biggest issue with the line this year was in an offense where the Center is so critical ours was the worst in the league. Banks was also terrible this year yet his PFF grade was solid. Weren't you an eye test type of guy earlier? What happened with that?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think he peaked. I think he actually grew in a lot of ways outside of what we've seen the first two years but there was a steep decline of what is usually around him this year - which made the stuff he made look easy, much more difficult.

Brock by no means was perfect and has things to get better at, but there were a plethora of issues around him that also hurt him, not support him.

but… his major concern in college was that he didn't really improve a ton from frosh to senior year (specifically stats) but idk if that's cause of the diminish around him or he just has a really high floor?

I still believe in him. He isn't on Josh Allen's level - where he can cover up a ton of talent issues weekly, but I think he is easily a top 10 qb and if we can fix the stuff we did horrible this year - we will be contending again.

WR sep was awful this year. Run game was super inconsistent and unreliable in the pass game. Pass blocking was trash. Those things make
the offense very predictable.

Hmmm. Our 2 main RBs this year both averaged over 5 YPC, though, right? Mason hit at 5.2 yards a pop and Guernendo was @ 5.0ypc.

Per PFF, the OLine graded out at 13th overall, with a PBWR @ 14th overall. Both of these are above average, in contrast to what you are saying.

Are you sure that everything around him was absolutely horrible?

Not everything but using PFF grades to grade OL is straight up disingenuous. For instance they don't negatively grade OLmen who let defenders go unblocked. So Spencer Burford in OT on a key 3rd down was a net neutral grade wise for them.

But if you want to bring up PFF ratings for the OL why not remind people about the so called pass pro Brock had last year? You know when it was 26th?

1) I edited the post b4 u could catch it obviously, but ESPIN had our PBWR @ 14th as well.

2) I'm not grading OLinemen. Simply responded to a post saying they were downright terrible.

3) Sure,...Bring it up. What about it? It enhances my point...which is obviously leaning towards "can we REALLY say the pass blocking was terrible?" and "can we REALLY lay the blame squarely on the OLine?"

If we really were 26th the year before, then thanks for the layup.

But on your crusade against PFF and ESPN,... either our guys were "winning blocks" along the lines of what they're saying, or both companies are completely making things up, and you have your own much better ratings regarding how often we were winning blocks?

Give the better info so we can discuss it. I'm still falling back to questioning how the poster may be exaggerating things. Exaggeration doesnt raise a player's actual level of play,...remember?

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while