QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think he peaked. I think he actually grew in a lot of ways outside of what we've seen the first two years but there was a steep decline of what is usually around him this year - which made the stuff he made look easy, much more difficult.

Brock by no means was perfect and has things to get better at, but there were a plethora of issues around him that also hurt him, not support him.

but… his major concern in college was that he didn't really improve a ton from frosh to senior year (specifically stats) but idk if that's cause of the diminish around him or he just has a really high floor?

I still believe in him. He isn't on Josh Allen's level - where he can cover up a ton of talent issues weekly, but I think he is easily a top 10 qb and if we can fix the stuff we did horrible this year - we will be contending again.

WR sep was awful this year. Run game was super inconsistent and unreliable in the pass game. Pass blocking was trash. Those things make
the offense very predictable.

Hmmm. Our 2 main RBs this year both averaged over 5 YPC, though, right? Mason hit at 5.2 yards a pop and Guernendo was @ 5.0ypc.

Per PFF, the OLine graded out at 13th overall, with a PBWR @ 14th overall. Both of these are above average, in contrast to what you are saying.

Are you sure that everything around him was absolutely horrible?

Not everything but using PFF grades to grade OL is straight up disingenuous. For instance they don't negatively grade OLmen who let defenders go unblocked. So Spencer Burford in OT on a key 3rd down was a net neutral grade wise for them.

But if you want to bring up PFF ratings for the OL why not remind people about the so called pass pro Brock had last year? You know when it was 26th?

1) I edited the post b4 u could catch it obviously, but ESPIN had our PBWR @ 14th as well.

2) I'm not grading OLinemen. Simply responded to a post saying they were downright terrible.

3) Sure,...Bring it up. What about it? It enhances my point...which is obviously leaning towards "can we REALLY say the pass blocking was terrible?" and "can we REALLY lay the blame squarely on the OLine?"

If we really were 26th the year before, then thanks for the layup.

But on your crusade against PFF and ESPN,... either our guys were "winning blocks" along the lines of what they're saying, or both companies are completely making things up, and you have your own much better ratings regarding how often we were winning blocks?

Give the better info so we can discuss it. I'm still falling back to questioning how the poster may be exaggerating things. Exaggeration doesnt raise a player's actual level of play,...remember?

Once again...what happened to the eye test you loved so much a few pages ago?

What layup you taking exactly? The whole pitch that you can't pay Purdy because he requires everything to be great for him. Clearly not if he's able to get us a lead several times late in the SB playing with very poor OL play and regardless of the grades they were awful, especially once Feliciano got hurt. Pull up the tape and feel free to push those numbers.

Those grades make a lot of assumptions on who gets responsibility on a play. ESPN do the same thing that PFF does. No different than the conversation the other day when film geeks tried to act like Josh Allen should've thrown to Shakir on that last play on offense. There is looking at a play and saying QB should've done this, it was open...then there is the actual fact of being in that play, having guys coming at you in a critical moment in the game and expecting the brain to process and the arm to deliver. It's not that easy.

Plenty of bad habits can be formed when you don't trust players around you - whether WRs to break open when you need them to or your OL to consistently deliver. The OL in the early part of the year wasn't terrible but they weren't great either. Brendel has been trash all year long. Sitting back and bringing up OL grades is laughable...especially when you're claiming eye tests just a few pages ago.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Yeah that was all on Brock fs

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

well every take you post is incorrect.. so seeing this is a good sign for 9er fans

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

You can always join the Eagles fan base

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

He was already top 10 by multiple measures on an awful team. Top half of league even looking at surface level passer rating. That's on a last place team. If that keeps up he could survive the firing of John and Kyle

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

well every take you post is incorrect.. so seeing this is a good sign for 9er fans

you are a gentleman and a scholar. i am a better man for reading your work on an ongoing basis. keep up the good work

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

I think you have no idea what you're talking about so there's that. Guess we'll see soon enough.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
The idea seems absurd to me. Although I do tend to think Kyle ruins QBs over time

Respectfully, lol, this will never not be a crazy idea to me.

Even Jimmy, I would vehemently argue against the idea that Kyle ruined him. And there is literally zero other QBs where you could even make the case that Kyle ruined.

Just an utterly ridiculous idea.

Not sure how you can argue against Kyle ruining Jimmy. Did you see how great he looked with the Raiders?

It's a dumb narrative people make because Kyle doesn't believe in building monster OLines. Now I do think Kyle can make a change where his QBs have more freedom at the line but at the same time take advantage of the schematic advantages his playcalling provides.

But this is also why I find it funny that some of Kyle's biggest critics are also Purdy bashers. I never understood how you can have the same opinion.

Either Kyle isn't a good coach who holds the team and QB back from being their best...or he doesn't have a QB good enough. Andy Reid has 0 SB wins without Mahomes AND Spags.

Easy. I would argue he was never that good and Kyle was masking his deficiencies as a QB. Once he went to the Raiders, all of his flaws were more on display.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

well every take you post is incorrect.. so seeing this is a good sign for 9er fans

you are a gentleman and a scholar. i am a better man for reading your work on an ongoing basis. keep up the good work

thanks i am and with the same bad takes i don't think you are getting better.. actually worse and then doubling down on it lol

Originally posted by random49er:
Hmmm. Our 2 main RBs this year both averaged over 5 YPC, though, right? Mason hit at 5.2 yards a pop and Guernendo was @ 5.0ypc.

Per PFF, the OLine graded out at 13th overall, with a PBWR @ 14th overall.

ESPN had us at 14th overall at PBWR as well.

ALL of these ratings above are above average, in contrast to what you are saying.

Are you sure that everything around him was absolutely horrible?

How about you do the QB now.....

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

well every take you post is incorrect.. so seeing this is a good sign for 9er fans

you are a gentleman and a scholar. i am a better man for reading your work on an ongoing basis. keep up the good work

thanks i am and with the same bad takes i don't think you are getting better.. actually worse and then doubling down on it lol

remember all my posts are incorrect, now read that compliment i gave you again

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol Brock was struggling vs Seattle until the rain let up.

He's absolutely mediocre in bad weather

Sounds like you just don't like Brock much, too bad, he is staying for a while

not if we keep winning 6 games a season.

Great point...

just the stone cold reality. i think we are in trouble. the advantages of 2023 seem gone.

well every take you post is incorrect.. so seeing this is a good sign for 9er fans

you are a gentleman and a scholar. i am a better man for reading your work on an ongoing basis. keep up the good work

thanks i am and with the same bad takes i don't think you are getting better.. actually worse and then doubling down on it lol

remember all my posts are incorrect, now read that compliment i gave you again

I said takes, not all posts