QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
What would Purdy have done with that sorry group of Bills receivers in Arrowhead? Certainly not barely lose. He would get blown out.

Chiefs don't have great receivers. Yet, Mahomes uplifts them.

Brady made Edelman, Amendola good players.

You want 60 million per year? Do what the guys above do/did. Start making others around you better. You shouldn't need stud receivers and RB's.

Otherwise...he shouldn't get 60 million per year.

This front office has a history of paying elite money to good players. It needs to stop.

that is correct. i think you gotta land a elite FQB. that's the only type of QB to win rings here. so if you don't have 1, ok try try and try again. don't just try 1 time and quit. you can have a jeff garcia era where the QB is good and the team maybe is competitive but you'll probably watch the brady's and manning's win the rings. the 49ers used to be the gold standard for nfl QB play.

His whole post was wrong though. Our whole team got shutdown against kc and still went to ot

i think we've accepted it. we have given up. we aren't searching for the elite QB play. we got burned on lance, so we say this is the best we can do folks. and now we will pay richly for good play at the position. while other teams have the elite HOF type QBs.

lol, these fkn takes are the worse

what's wrong with that?

I see you have found your crystal ball for this take

i just observe and report reality from my corner of the internet here. in SF history, only montana and young won the rings. in NFL history, we see brady, manning and now mahomes winning. it is very rare to see some cousins type win the ring. i think most even 49er fans would say jimmy and brock are probably more on the cousins wavelength, than the mahomes wavelength. so that is our dilemma.

what you just said has nothing to do your take...

Nothing about how "we accepted it"
Nothing about how "not searching for elite play"
Nothing about how "49ers think this is the best we can do"
Nothing about how "49ers paying richly"
Nothing about how "how all teams have elite HOF QBs"

no fkn reality, just more BS that your afraid to stand on when called on it

i'll boil this down to simple statements

1. we are keeping and paying brock
2. he'll make good money
3. we won't entertain QB1 options or search for QB1 cuz point 1 above.

do you disagree with any of this? i think this is widely accepted or known stuff. only point of contention, is if you think brock is in fact, patrick mahomes or equal skill level or in that ballpark.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
What would Purdy have done with that sorry group of Bills receivers in Arrowhead? Certainly not barely lose. He would get blown out.

Chiefs don't have great receivers. Yet, Mahomes uplifts them.

Brady made Edelman, Amendola good players.

You want 60 million per year? Do what the guys above do/did. Start making others around you better. You shouldn't need stud receivers and RB's.

Otherwise...he shouldn't get 60 million per year.

This front office has a history of paying elite money to good players. It needs to stop.

that is correct. i think you gotta land a elite FQB. that's the only type of QB to win rings here. so if you don't have 1, ok try try and try again. don't just try 1 time and quit. you can have a jeff garcia era where the QB is good and the team maybe is competitive but you'll probably watch the brady's and manning's win the rings. the 49ers used to be the gold standard for nfl QB play.

His whole post was wrong though. Our whole team got shutdown against kc and still went to ot

i think we've accepted it. we have given up. we aren't searching for the elite QB play. we got burned on lance, so we say this is the best we can do folks. and now we will pay richly for good play at the position. while other teams have the elite HOF type QBs.

lol, these fkn takes are the worse

what's wrong with that?

I see you have found your crystal ball for this take

i just observe and report reality from my corner of the internet here. in SF history, only montana and young won the rings. in NFL history, we see brady, manning and now mahomes winning. it is very rare to see some cousins type win the ring. i think most even 49er fans would say jimmy and brock are probably more on the cousins wavelength, than the mahomes wavelength. so that is our dilemma.

what you just said has nothing to do your take...

Nothing about how "we accepted it"
Nothing about how "not searching for elite play"
Nothing about how "49ers think this is the best we can do"
Nothing about how "49ers paying richly"
Nothing about how "how all teams have elite HOF QBs"

no fkn reality, just more BS that your afraid to stand on when called on it

i'll boil this down to simple statements

1. we are keeping and paying brock
2. he'll make good money
3. we won't entertain QB1 options or search for QB1 cuz point 1 above.

do you disagree with any of this? i think this is widely accepted or known stuff. only point of contention, is if you think brock is in fact, patrick mahomes or equal skill level or in that ballpark.

Where does your simple statements show that were are headed to a jeff garcia era and not being able to compete ?

again... you don't know how to back your own takes cause they are far from reality

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What teams have Elite HOF type QBs other than the Chiefs who probably have the GOAT?

probably lamar, allen, herbert, burrow, stafford, among others. hurts i think can be excellent if you are just talking about in a run game capacity and kyle does love the run game. put barkley next to hurts and that's a stress on your ability to play run behind that OL also. this rook class was strong (this past season). we are probably QB12-20 somewhere in there if we are being straight with ourselves. i'm not talking stats of course, just observations from watching

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
What would Purdy have done with that sorry group of Bills receivers in Arrowhead? Certainly not barely lose. He would get blown out.

Chiefs don't have great receivers. Yet, Mahomes uplifts them.

Brady made Edelman, Amendola good players.

You want 60 million per year? Do what the guys above do/did. Start making others around you better. You shouldn't need stud receivers and RB's.

Otherwise...he shouldn't get 60 million per year.

This front office has a history of paying elite money to good players. It needs to stop.

that is correct. i think you gotta land a elite FQB. that's the only type of QB to win rings here. so if you don't have 1, ok try try and try again. don't just try 1 time and quit. you can have a jeff garcia era where the QB is good and the team maybe is competitive but you'll probably watch the brady's and manning's win the rings. the 49ers used to be the gold standard for nfl QB play.

His whole post was wrong though. Our whole team got shutdown against kc and still went to ot

i think we've accepted it. we have given up. we aren't searching for the elite QB play. we got burned on lance, so we say this is the best we can do folks. and now we will pay richly for good play at the position. while other teams have the elite HOF type QBs.

lol, these fkn takes are the worse

what's wrong with that?

I see you have found your crystal ball for this take

i just observe and report reality from my corner of the internet here. in SF history, only montana and young won the rings. in NFL history, we see brady, manning and now mahomes winning. it is very rare to see some cousins type win the ring. i think most even 49er fans would say jimmy and brock are probably more on the cousins wavelength, than the mahomes wavelength. so that is our dilemma.

what you just said has nothing to do your take...

Nothing about how "we accepted it"
Nothing about how "not searching for elite play"
Nothing about how "49ers think this is the best we can do"
Nothing about how "49ers paying richly"
Nothing about how "how all teams have elite HOF QBs"

no fkn reality, just more BS that your afraid to stand on when called on it

i'll boil this down to simple statements

1. we are keeping and paying brock
2. he'll make good money
3. we won't entertain QB1 options or search for QB1 cuz point 1 above.

do you disagree with any of this? i think this is widely accepted or known stuff. only point of contention, is if you think brock is in fact, patrick mahomes or equal skill level or in that ballpark.

Where does your simple statements show that were are headed to a jeff garcia era and not being able to compete ?

again... you don't know how to back your own takes cause they are far from reality

i said we accepted it, meaning we aren't searching for mahomes or some FQB. we think brock is as good as mahomes, in which case we are deluded. or we think he's not as good, but we accept it. this is the best we can do. that's what i am saying. garcia is an example of a guy who can get you to postseason and maybe win a playoff game here or there. probably not gonna be holding up the trophy and didn't. you need montana or steve for that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What teams have Elite HOF type QBs other than the Chiefs who probably have the GOAT?

probably lamar, allen, herbert, burrow, stafford, among others. hurts i think can be excellent if you are just talking about in a run game capacity and kyle does love the run game. put barkley next to hurts and that's a stress on your ability to play run behind that OL also. this rook class was strong (this past season). we are probably QB12-20 somewhere in there if we are being straight with ourselves. i'm not talking stats of course, just observations from watching

We came as close to beating KC with Brock as any of those QBs have come. And that's in his second year with the whole offense choking around him. Maybe those other guys aren't as good as you think

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

we think brock is as good as mahomes,

Can you find who posted this? I haven't seen it

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

i'll boil this down to simple statements

1. we are keeping and paying brock
2. he'll make good money
3. we won't entertain QB1 options or search for QB1 cuz point 1 above.

do you disagree with any of this? i think this is widely accepted or known stuff. only point of contention, is if you think brock is in fact, patrick mahomes or equal skill level or in that ballpark.

So, draft another Lance, wait 3 years
Then draft a Drukenmiller, wait 3 years
Them draft an Alex Smith, wait 8 years

Brock is the best QB the team has drafted since Montana. The Mahomes ship sailed, he is the GOAT and a singularity.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What teams have Elite HOF type QBs other than the Chiefs who probably have the GOAT?

probably lamar, allen, herbert, burrow, stafford, among others. hurts i think can be excellent if you are just talking about in a run game capacity and kyle does love the run game. put barkley next to hurts and that's a stress on your ability to play run behind that OL also. this rook class was strong (this past season). we are probably QB12-20 somewhere in there if we are being straight with ourselves. i'm not talking stats of course, just observations from watching

Allen, Herbert and Burrow haven't gotten it done.

Stafford got it done and proved me wrong, once.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What teams have Elite HOF type QBs other than the Chiefs who probably have the GOAT?

probably lamar, allen, herbert, burrow, stafford, among others. hurts i think can be excellent if you are just talking about in a run game capacity and kyle does love the run game. put barkley next to hurts and that's a stress on your ability to play run behind that OL also. this rook class was strong (this past season). we are probably QB12-20 somewhere in there if we are being straight with ourselves. i'm not talking stats of course, just observations from watching

We came as close to beating KC with Brock as any of those QBs have come. And that's in his second year with the whole offense choking around him. Maybe those other guys aren't as good as you think

you can say that about jimmy and brock. now if we had lamar instead of jimmy ok, we probably win right? lamar is a big upgrade over jimmy. that gets us a ring or two. that's why this kyle tenure hasn't generated a ring yet. we didn't figure out the QB position well enough.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What teams have Elite HOF type QBs other than the Chiefs who probably have the GOAT?

probably lamar, allen, herbert, burrow, stafford, among others. hurts i think can be excellent if you are just talking about in a run game capacity and kyle does love the run game. put barkley next to hurts and that's a stress on your ability to play run behind that OL also. this rook class was strong (this past season). we are probably QB12-20 somewhere in there if we are being straight with ourselves. i'm not talking stats of course, just observations from watching

We came as close to beating KC with Brock as any of those QBs have come. And that's in his second year with the whole offense choking around him. Maybe those other guys aren't as good as you think

you can say that about jimmy and brock. now if we had lamar instead of jimmy ok, we probably win right? lamar is a big upgrade over jimmy. that gets us a ring or two. that's why this kyle tenure hasn't generated a ring yet. we didn't figure out the QB position well enough.

Who knows? Lamar doesn't get to be the big kid on the playground come playoff time, so his game doesn't fully translate from reg season to post season

All we had to do was erase one of the fumbles. Or know the Ot rules. They had it with Brock and can only blame themselves for choking that one away

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we think brock is as good as mahomes,

Can you find who posted this? I haven't seen it

i was just doing an either or. meaning it's one or the other. i'm talking about the club also. so lynch and kyle think he's as good as mahomes, in which case they are deluded. or they think he's not as good in which case they are accepting that this is the best we can do.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

we think brock is as good as mahomes,

Can you find who posted this? I haven't seen it

i was just doing an either or. meaning it's one or the other. i'm talking about the club also. so lynch and kyle think he's as good as mahomes, in which case they are deluded. or they think he's not as good in which case they are accepting that this is the best we can do.

Lmao. Since when does extending a qb mean any of this?

Originally posted by random49er:
For the reading impaired:

Originally posted by random49er:
ESPN had us at 14th overall at PBWR as well.

ALL of these ratings above are above average, in contrast to what you are saying.

I NOT ONCE have said or proclaimed that they performed above average this year while questioning a guy that says they were TERRIBLE this year. (hint: this is the part where the guy making the initial proclamation steps in speaking about what he saw or noticed that's not being accounted for,...but so long as people blab about something you agree with, you give them a "Go" pass, right Steve?)

Now,...where have I given my opinion of the OL? Still waiting...

Dude, stop. Someone said the running game was inconsistent and the pass protection was trash. You used PFF rankings to argue that the poster was wrong, and you used "above average" to describe that. If you are trying to say that the OL and running game being above average wasnt explicitly stated as YOUR opinion, but just based on a statistical ranking, I can buy that. The only problem with that is you have repeatedly said that you dont like using statistics, but rather like using the eye test. Yet, you are doing the opposite now.

Originally posted by random49er:
Cap hits. He didnt mention them in that projection (the title anyways,...didnt click). But yea what cap hits are guaranteed is the news to really wait for.

Ginitti doesn't go into any details of how the money is spent beyond meaningless topline numbers of "4 years, $194M, $100M guarantee", so the cap hits can't be calculated. It's a funny prediction considering after the 49ers 2-3 start, he was predicting a 55.5M market value AAV for Purdy. Last offseason, he believed the 49ers would simply move on from Purdy if he struggled in 2024.

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Dirty Purdy is my quarterback, but looks like we might have to wait a year to extend him.

The extension can be signed this offseason but the money doesn't kick in until after this season

If Purdy is signed to an extension this offseason, the contract begins to impact the 49ers immediately. The 49ers extension will include a signing bonus and minimum salary in 2025. Purdy currently has a cap hit around 5.2M for 2025, earned as part of the Proven Performance Escalator program. He maxxed out at Level 3 for his original ballot Pro Bowl selection in 2023. If the signing bonus proration on that extension is above a 4.1M year, his cap hit in 2025 will increase. When people talk about signing Purdy to extension of "300M over 5 years", the new contract will essentially be 305.2M over 6 years because it's an extension of his prior contract. When Dak signed his 240M over 4 year extension, the 29M in cash on his final year didn't just disappear. His actual contract ended up being 269M/4. When The Prince signed his 275M over 5 year extension, he had his 4th year remaining and the team had already picked up the option on his 5th year. So the 31.341M in remaining salary carried over to his new contract. His new contract ended up being 306.341M over 7 years (2024-31). When Lamar signed his contract, his prior contract had no money and no years remaining and Lamar was subject to the non-exclusive franchise tag. His total contract value was 260M over 5 years.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
100% and he shouldn't get paid like a Mahomes. People get bent to even suggest $40k a year like some big disservice. $40m a year people. Do you know how much money that is.

He is not a $60m a year man until contract 3 and after a clear landscape.

Mahomes signed his contract in 2020. His 45M extension AAV (eAAV) launched him over Rodgers (33.5M eAAV), Russ (35M eAAV), Big Ben (34M eAAV), Wentz (32M eAAV), Goff (33.5M eAAV), and Kirk (33M eAAV). After his deal, it would take nearly 2 years for someone to pass that AAV. The contracts leading up to that were Watson (Hou - 39M eAAV), Dak (40M AAV), the other Josh Allen (43M eAAV), then Rodgers (50.3M eAAV). Since the start of the 2023 offseason, there has been a proliferation of 50M eAAV contracts.

And it's not like the Chiefs haven't done right by Mahomes either. In 2023, they restructured the remainder of his contract, moving money from the end of the contract to pay out over the 2023-26 seasons. Mahomes had the highest 4 year cash flow of any quarterback at that point (208M) until Dak signed his deal (214M from 2024-27). In 2027, Mahomes will be on a new contract. Similarly, the other Josh Allen has yearly cash payouts of 14.5M, 38.5M, 40M, and 36.5M remaining on his current deal. Buffalo is either going to move money up like KC did with Mahomes or they will extend him (cap hits of 43.2M, 63.9M, 57M, and 48M remaining).

When the market rate is 60M, you just can't handwave "$40m a year people". You are asking someone to take 1/3rd less their value. Nobody is going to willingly take 40k a year when they could be making 60k. People want to be paid what their worth is, and they usually want to be paid more than that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

i was just doing an either or. meaning it's one or the other. i'm talking about the club also. so lynch and kyle think he's as good as mahomes, in which case they are deluded. or they think he's not as good in which case they are accepting that this is the best we can do.

How do they find the GOAT?

No one is as good as Mahomes. The last two that are in the convo were drafted in the last century.