QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

The ot thing is another example of bad coaching imo. Just no attention to detail (unless it's his plays). I won't get into this too deep in the Brock thread. You guys know my stance on Kyle. I'm not in his thread calling for his head everyday, but I also don't run from his choking. I know what he will be known for if we can't get it done

You can make the argument that he should have discussed with his team, but it doesn't actually change any goal on the field and it's also not an automatic choice to defer. That's outside of the fact that our D had just been on the field and could have used a rest.

Analytics people across the league were surveyed by multiple media outlets/personalities. It's not a one sided decision at all.

Any analytic person that doesn't see the advantages of having second possession should be fired

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Majority of coaches never got it done, but not even Reid came out of Philly with the choking resume of Kyle

Absolutely he did. He continued it in KC with one of the worst playoff choke jobs in NFL history to the colts.

And then, magically got a hof QB, and stopped choking! Incredible

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Majority of coaches never got it done, but not even Reid came out of Philly with the choking resume of Kyle

Absolutely he did. He continued it in KC with one of the worst playoff choke jobs in NFL history to the colts.

And then, magically got a hof QB, and stopped choking! Incredible

No he did not have 28-3 and all the blown double digit leads. Kyle has truly built his own place in choking history. Time to change that

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Any analytic person that doesn't see the advantages of having second position should be fired

The 'advantage' is part of the calculation. It's baked into the final 50/50 split on the decision.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The ot thing is another example of bad coaching imo. Just no attention to detail (unless it's his plays). I won't get into this too deep in the Brock thread. You guys know my stance on Kyle. I'm not in his thread calling for his head everyday, but I also don't run from his choking. I know what he will be known for if we can't get it done

You can make the argument that he should have discussed with his team, but it doesn't actually change any goal on the field and it's also not an automatic choice to defer. That's outside of the fact that our D had just been on the field and could have used a rest.

Analytics people across the league were surveyed by multiple media outlets/personalities. It's not a one sided decision at all.

Any analytic person that doesn't see the advantages of having second position should be fired

You can pretend the decision was wrong but just don't spread the nonsense that Kyle didn't know the rules.

He watched his defense play a lot in that 4th quarter and just allowed Kc to march down the field before OT. He was buying them some time to rest and try to get their s**t together.

He also hadn't seen the KC offense actually march down the field and score a TD so the possibility of them having to match our FG was a real possibility. That would allow the 49ers a chance to win with a FG on the 3rd possession.

All a moot point considering the defense pulled out the red carpet and allowed KC to get the TD.

Yet had the offense did its job like Kyle designed and Burford blocked who he was supposed to, then assuming KC scores the TD, we see if they go for 2.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Any analytic person that doesn't see the advantages of having second position should be fired

The 'advantage' is part of the calculation. It's baked into the final 50/50 split on the decision.

That's flawed then. It's not 50/50 if advantage goes to team that kicks first

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
That's flawed then. It's not 50/50 if advantage goes to team that kicks first

It's not flawed, it's just math. There are possible advantages to kicking and receiving. Whether they come into play is going to depend on that particular game. The whole point is no outcome is assured and you deal with probability.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

That's flawed then. It's not 50/50 if advantage goes to team that kicks first

It's not flawed, it's just math. There are possible advantages to kicking and receiving. Whether they come into play is going to depend on that particular game. The whole point is no outcome is assured and you deal with probability.

Not knowing how it's going to play out and knowing you get a possession no matter what, you kick first. You never receive. We literally gave their sideline more life with that decision

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
That's flawed then. It's not 50/50 if advantage goes to team that kicks first

It's not flawed, it's just math. There are possible advantages to kicking and receiving. Whether they come into play is going to depend on that particular game. The whole point is no outcome is assured and you deal with probability.

Not knowing how it's going to play out and knowing you get a possession no matter what, you kick first. You never receive. We literally gave their sideline more life with that decision

Alright enough of this in this thread. The point was Kyle knew the rules. Stop spreading the stupidity that says he didn't know the rules.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

i was just doing an either or. meaning it's one or the other. i'm talking about the club also. so lynch and kyle think he's as good as mahomes, in which case they are deluded. or they think he's not as good in which case they are accepting that this is the best we can do.

How do they find the GOAT?

No one is as good as Mahomes. The last two that are in the convo were drafted in the last century.

You just keep looking. How did we find Joe and Steve? I guess Bill had an eye for QBs.

Draft another Lance, wait 3 years
Then draft a Drukenmiller, wait 3 years
Them draft an Alex Smith, wait 8 years

What teams have drafted a qb as good as Mahomes this century?

We have a QB who is great and can win a SB.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i was just doing an either or. meaning it's one or the other. i'm talking about the club also. so lynch and kyle think he's as good as mahomes, in which case they are deluded. or they think he's not as good in which case they are accepting that this is the best we can do.

How do they find the GOAT?

No one is as good as Mahomes. The last two that are in the convo were drafted in the last century.

You just keep looking. How did we find Joe and Steve? I guess Bill had an eye for QBs.

Draft another Lance, wait 3 years
Then draft a Drukenmiller, wait 3 years
Them draft an Alex Smith, wait 8 years

What teams have drafted a qb as good as Mahomes this century?

We have a QB who is great and can win a SB.

It's so dumb. He's literally arguing on finding top 10 QBs all time. Just ignore him.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
No he did not have 28-3 and all the blown double digit leads. Kyle has truly built his own place in choking history. Time to change that

I wasn't aware Kyle was head coach of the falcons.

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
100% and he shouldn't get paid like a Mahomes. People get bent to even suggest $40k a year like some big disservice. $40m a year people. Do you know how much money that is.

He is not a $60m a year man until contract 3 and after a clear landscape.

The market dictates that he is between a $50m and a $60m QB

He's not going to accept $40m a year.

It's easy to say 'let him walk' when you don't have any skin in the game.

What's the alternative if Purdy walks?

However - if you sign Purdy - that doesn't stop Kyle from continuing to search for future QBs - you can draft QBs every year.

Sorry this is fan b******t with the non-stop the market dictates. It's relentless. I hope John plays hardball. I love Brock, yes I do, but he sat most of a year. Then a great year and an average year. The stat masters will say he is godly like. Others will compare him to QBs like Kirk C who has had multiple contracts not the duckling fresh out of the gate.

The market dictates has to be the most overplayed phrase in football. He is not a $60m year QB. And there might be, not proven just yet, a little bit of the injury bug that might follow this guy moving forward.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
100% and he shouldn't get paid like a Mahomes. People get bent to even suggest $40k a year like some big disservice. $40m a year people. Do you know how much money that is.

He is not a $60m a year man until contract 3 and after a clear landscape.

The market dictates that he is between a $50m and a $60m QB

He's not going to accept $40m a year.

It's easy to say 'let him walk' when you don't have any skin in the game.

What's the alternative if Purdy walks?

However - if you sign Purdy - that doesn't stop Kyle from continuing to search for future QBs - you can draft QBs every year.

Sorry this is fan b******t with the non-stop the market dictates. It's relentless. I hope John plays hardball. I love Brock, yes I do, but he sat most of a year. Then a great year and an average year. The stat masters will say he is godly like. Others will compare him to QBs like Kirk C who has had multiple contracts not the duckling fresh out of the gate.

The market dictates has to be the most overplayed phrase in football. He is not a $60m year QB. And there might be, not proven just yet, a little bit of the injury bug that might follow this guy moving forward.

You can disagree as much as you like - Purdy is getting somewhere in the $50-$60m range.

Think of it this way - if Mahomes was up for a new contract he would be pushing for $70m plus.

How did hard ball work out the last 2 years with the Aiyuk and Bosa negotiations? It backfired - both players started slow after missing the offseason/training camp after negotiations stalled.

If you play hard ball with Brock it impacts the upcoming season. He will hold out. We need the QB in camp not more offseason drama.

Both sides are making noises they want to have a deal done relatively quickly. Proof will be in the pudding.

Kinda funny to see ppl get their panties in a pickle over this contract