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QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Typecast:
Originally posted by random49er:
Cap hits. He didnt mention them in that projection (the title anyways,...didnt click). But yea what cap hits are guaranteed is the news to really wait for.
Ginitti doesn't go into any details of how the money is spent beyond meaningless topline numbers of "4 years, $194M, $100M guarantee", so the cap hits can't be calculated. It's a funny prediction considering after the 49ers 2-3 start, he was predicting a 55.5M market value AAV for Purdy. Last offseason, he believed the 49ers would simply move on from Purdy if he struggled in 2024.

Originally posted by KiwiM:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Dirty Purdy is my quarterback, but looks like we might have to wait a year to extend him.

The extension can be signed this offseason but the money doesn't kick in until after this season
If Purdy is signed to an extension this offseason, the contract begins to impact the 49ers immediately. The 49ers extension will include a signing bonus and minimum salary in 2025. Purdy currently has a cap hit around 5.2M for 2025, earned as part of the Proven Performance Escalator program. He maxxed out at Level 3 for his original ballot Pro Bowl selection in 2023. If the signing bonus proration on that extension is above a 4.1M year, his cap hit in 2025 will increase. When people talk about signing Purdy to extension of "300M over 5 years", the new contract will essentially be 305.2M over 6 years because it's an extension of his prior contract. When Dak signed his 240M over 4 year extension, the 29M in cash on his final year didn't just disappear. His actual contract ended up being 269M/4. When The Prince signed his 275M over 5 year extension, he had his 4th year remaining and the team had already picked up the option on his 5th year. So the 31.341M in remaining salary carried over to his new contract. His new contract ended up being 306.341M over 7 years (2024-31). When Lamar signed his contract, his prior contract had no money and no years remaining and Lamar was subject to the non-exclusive franchise tag. His total contract value was 260M over 5 years.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
100% and he shouldn't get paid like a Mahomes. People get bent to even suggest $40k a year like some big disservice. $40m a year people. Do you know how much money that is.

He is not a $60m a year man until contract 3 and after a clear landscape.
Mahomes signed his contract in 2020. His 45M extension AAV (eAAV) launched him over Rodgers (33.5M eAAV), Russ (35M eAAV), Big Ben (34M eAAV), Wentz (32M eAAV), Goff (33.5M eAAV), and Kirk (33M eAAV). After his deal, it would take nearly 2 years for someone to pass that AAV. The contracts leading up to that were Watson (Hou - 39M eAAV), Dak (40M AAV), the other Josh Allen (43M eAAV), then Rodgers (50.3M eAAV). Since the start of the 2023 offseason, there has been a proliferation of 50M eAAV contracts.

And it's not like the Chiefs haven't done right by Mahomes either. In 2023, they restructured the remainder of his contract, moving money from the end of the contract to pay out over the 2023-26 seasons. Mahomes had the highest 4 year cash flow of any quarterback at that point (208M) until Dak signed his deal (214M from 2024-27). In 2027, Mahomes will be on a new contract. Similarly, the other Josh Allen has yearly cash payouts of 14.5M, 38.5M, 40M, and 36.5M remaining on his current deal. Buffalo is either going to move money up like KC did with Mahomes or they will extend him (cap hits of 43.2M, 63.9M, 57M, and 48M remaining).

When the market rate is 60M, you just can't handwave "$40m a year people". You are asking someone to take 1/3rd less their value. Nobody is going to willingly take 40k a year when they could be making 60k. People want to be paid what their worth is, and they usually want to be paid more than that.

Their worth is what someone will pay. Just because other starters got 50-60m does not necessarily mean another team would pay Brock specifically that amount.

And if we don't want to pay him 55m per year, I'd be curious to see if another team would. We could give him the Aiyuk treatment and say hey you think you're worth that much see what another team will give you that and we are satisfied with the compensation then we'll trade you or agree to sign you for a deal in that range like we did with Aiyuk.

Would a QB-starved team like TEN or OAK or NYG actually give Brock 5 years/275-300m? I'm skeptical.

That being said, with this weak QB class in the draft, the alternatives to Brock are not good. So he better perform like 2022 and 2023 and not like last year going forward.
Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think he peaked. I think he actually grew in a lot of ways outside of what we've seen the first two years but there was a steep decline of what is usually around him this year - which made the stuff he made look easy, much more difficult.

Brock by no means was perfect and has things to get better at, but there were a plethora of issues around him that also hurt him, not support him.

but… his major concern in college was that he didn't really improve a ton from frosh to senior year (specifically stats) but idk if that's cause of the diminish around him or he just has a really high floor?

I still believe in him. He isn't on Josh Allen's level - where he can cover up a ton of talent issues weekly, but I think he is easily a top 10 qb and if we can fix the stuff we did horrible this year - we will be contending again.

WR sep was awful this year. Run game was super inconsistent and unreliable in the pass game. Pass blocking was trash. Those things make
the offense very predictable.
couple that with an NFL worst special teams and a bottom 5 defense… you aren't winning much. Brock isn't the problem but he has stuff to get better at and perfect

I stopped reading at PLETHORA bc that's el guapo's line! I love it!!!!
Brock peaks at SBLX in Santa Clara
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Their worth is what someone will pay. Just because other starters got 50-60m does not necessarily mean anoth


Well yes. He wants to discuss humans throwing a football as if they're apples or eggs. No,...they're individuals with individual abilities.

He'll say "The Market" for QBs is a guaranteed $60M per year but ignores that Daniel Jones' extension was $40M per year with alot of window dressing. The Giants protected themselves by only guaranteeing HALF of that contract. They are able to get out of that contract this coming season while absorbing a dead cap hit of just over $22.2 million.

So no, all starting QBs aren't treated like royalty due to some random number a guy on the internet wants to believe.

So "The Market" isint a $60M cap hit for all QBs, as you said. It's the maximum that 32 teams would pay for his individual services.... in 2028 when he can be a FA unrestrained.
[ Edited by random49er on Jan 29, 2025 at 4:32 AM ]
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think he peaked. I think he actually grew in a lot of ways outside of what we've seen the first two years but there was a steep decline of what is usually around him this year - which made the stuff he made look easy, much more difficult.

Brock by no means was perfect and has things to get better at, but there were a plethora of issues around him that also hurt him, not support him.

but… his major concern in college was that he didn't really improve a ton from frosh to senior year (specifically stats) but idk if that's cause of the diminish around him or he just has a really high floor?

I still believe in him. He isn't on Josh Allen's level - where he can cover up a ton of talent issues weekly, but I think he is easily a top 10 qb and if we can fix the stuff we did horrible this year - we will be contending again.

WR sep was awful this year. Run game was super inconsistent and unreliable in the pass game. Pass blocking was trash. Those things make
the offense very predictable.
couple that with an NFL worst special teams and a bottom 5 defense… you aren't winning much. Brock isn't the problem but he has stuff to get better at and perfect

I stopped reading at PLETHORA bc that's el guapo's line! I love it!!!!

Hahaha I remember you pointing out that I've used it before. I actually crack up to myself everytime I write it cause of you.

Man I hope we have a great offseason. I think the coaching changes have been a massive upgrade. I'm really intrigued to see what we do in free agency and with new contracts.
Originally posted by 9erson3:
Originally posted by KiwiM:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
100% and he shouldn't get paid like a Mahomes. People get bent to even suggest $40k a year like some big disservice. $40m a year people. Do you know how much money that is.

He is not a $60m a year man until contract 3 and after a clear landscape.

The market dictates that he is between a $50m and a $60m QB

He's not going to accept $40m a year.

It's easy to say 'let him walk' when you don't have any skin in the game.

What's the alternative if Purdy walks?

However - if you sign Purdy - that doesn't stop Kyle from continuing to search for future QBs - you can draft QBs every year.

Sorry this is fan b******t with the non-stop the market dictates. It's relentless. I hope John plays hardball. I love Brock, yes I do, but he sat most of a year. Then a great year and an average year. The stat masters will say he is godly like. Others will compare him to QBs like Kirk C who has had multiple contracts not the duckling fresh out of the gate.

The market dictates has to be the most overplayed phrase in football. He is not a $60m year QB. And there might be, not proven just yet, a little bit of the injury bug that might follow this guy moving forward.

You don't want to get into this type of logic.

Brock's agents will rip this reasoning to shreds when this SAME regime paid Jimmy G the so called "highest contract in NFL history" after 7 career starts and 0 playoff experience.

This ownership also paid Kap after 1.5 years of starting.

Brock's agents can also easily point the finger at the team for wasting resource trying to draft Trey Lance, an epic mistake that Brock saved them from.

Jordan Love got paid after how many starts?

There is also the whole thing of how Brock has been playing for peanuts and blowing that contract out of the water. And for the whole injury bug thing...Kyle putting a 3rd string TE on Reddick doesn't help guys stay healthy. Another talking point his agents can bring up. If Kyle doesn't value OL like other teams that will certainly impact the QB play in the long run.

You get this deal done and you can easily fluff up the APY numbers which mean nothing in the long run.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think he peaked. I think he actually grew in a lot of ways outside of what we've seen the first two years but there was a steep decline of what is usually around him this year - which made the stuff he made look easy, much more difficult.

Brock by no means was perfect and has things to get better at, but there were a plethora of issues around him that also hurt him, not support him.

but… his major concern in college was that he didn't really improve a ton from frosh to senior year (specifically stats) but idk if that's cause of the diminish around him or he just has a really high floor?

I still believe in him. He isn't on Josh Allen's level - where he can cover up a ton of talent issues weekly, but I think he is easily a top 10 qb and if we can fix the stuff we did horrible this year - we will be contending again.

WR sep was awful this year. Run game was super inconsistent and unreliable in the pass game. Pass blocking was trash. Those things make
the offense very predictable.
couple that with an NFL worst special teams and a bottom 5 defense… you aren't winning much. Brock isn't the problem but he has stuff to get better at and perfect

I stopped reading at PLETHORA bc that's el guapo's line! I love it!!!!

Hahaha I remember you pointing out that I've used it before. I actually crack up to myself everytime I write it cause of you.

Man I hope we have a great offseason. I think the coaching changes have been a massive upgrade. I'm really intrigued to see what we do in free agency and with new contracts.

I love it Tank!!!! You're the man! The coaching changes alone should win us a few extra games not to mention there's no way all of our all pro players will be injured at some point this season. With the easiest schedule, we l have a good chance to do what Philadelphia did this year. I'm sure we have a great chance to get to the Super Bowl and win it with Purdy. Just get Mack and a C in FA and we're on our way!!!
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Their worth is what someone will pay. Just because other starters got 50-60m does not necessarily mean anoth


Well yes. He wants to discuss humans throwing a football as if they're apples or eggs. No,...they're individuals with individual abilities.

He'll say "The Market" for QBs is a guaranteed $60M per year but ignores that Daniel Jones' extension was $40M per year with alot of window dressing. The Giants protected themselves by only guaranteeing HALF of that contract. They are able to get out of that contract this coming season while absorbing a dead cap hit of just over $22.2 million.

So no, all starting QBs aren't treated like royalty due to some random number a guy on the internet wants to believe.

So "The Market" isint a $60M cap hit for all QBs, as you said. It's the maximum that 32 teams would pay for his individual services.... in 2028 when he can be a FA unrestrained.

Do you use the webzone for your personal "feel big" moments?

You're not teaching anyone anything most don't already know. Majority of us having no issue with Brock getting paid aren't saying Brock should get a fully guaranteed contract averaging $60+ million a year.

It's no different than the contract Jimmy got or the one Kap got. It will more than likely be called "highest contract in NFL history" but when the details come out it will be team friendly and provides an easy out if somehow Brock doesn't get back to his former self.

So yes "The Market" is $60 cap hit for all QBs who have shown what Brock has shown...which is literally why every new QB contract to a starter is typically reported as the highest one or at least in the ball park.
Originally posted by random49er:
Well yes. He wants to discuss humans throwing a football as if they're apples or eggs. No,...they're individuals with individual abilities.

He'll say "The Market" for QBs is a guaranteed $60M per year but ignores that Daniel Jones' extension was $40M per year with alot of window dressing. The Giants protected themselves by only guaranteeing HALF of that contract. They are able to get out of that contract this coming season while absorbing a dead cap hit of just over $22.2 million.

So no, all starting QBs aren't treated like royalty due to some random number a guy on the internet wants to believe.

So "The Market" isint a $60M cap hit for all QBs, as you said. It's the maximum that 32 teams would pay for his individual services.... in 2028 when he can be a FA unrestrained.

Daniel Jones, lol, what a comp.
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[ Edited by mayo49 on Jan 29, 2025 at 9:42 AM ]
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
Well yes. He wants to discuss humans throwing a football as if they're apples or eggs. No,...they're individuals with individual abilities.

He'll say "The Market" for QBs is a guaranteed $60M per year but ignores that Daniel Jones' extension was $40M per year with alot of window dressing. The Giants protected themselves by only guaranteeing HALF of that contract. They are able to get out of that contract this coming season while absorbing a dead cap hit of just over $22.2 million.

So no, all starting QBs aren't treated like royalty due to some random number a guy on the internet wants to believe.

So "The Market" isint a $60M cap hit for all QBs, as you said. It's the maximum that 32 teams would pay for his individual services.... in 2028 when he can be a FA unrestrained.

Daniel Jones, lol, what a comp.

Just an absurd comp.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Daniel Jones, lol, what a comp.

i fail to see why he's a bad guy. saquon struggled in NY. some situations are better than others. i think jones probably thrives on the 2023 49ers and brock probably has a rough go of it on the 2023 giants. so QB value fluctuates dramatically just based on supporting cast. darnold was worth 10m, he gets a supporting cast, ok now he's worth 140m or whatever he's projected. teams would be wise to factor out the supporting cast and just focus on what the guy can do well. otherwise you pay a guy who just looks good in a loaded situation, like a jared goff, and the lions have to live with the reality it will be hard to win a ring with that guy, even tho he is good on some level.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just an absurd comp.

He's been on Jones nuts for 3 years.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Daniel Jones, lol, what a comp.

i fail to see why he's a bad guy. saquon struggled in NY. some situations are better than others. i think jones probably thrives on the 2023 49ers and brock probably has a rough go of it on the 2023 giants. so QB value fluctuates dramatically just based on supporting cast. darnold was worth 10m, he gets a supporting cast, ok now he's worth 140m or whatever he's projected. teams would be wise to factor out the supporting cast and just focus on what the guy can do well. otherwise you pay a guy who just looks good in a loaded situation, like a jared goff, and the lions have to live with the reality it will be hard to win a ring with that guy, even tho he is good on some level.

This will come as a shock to you but players aren't paid for they may be able to do in a hypothetical situation on ANOTHER team.

They're paid for the team believes they can do for THEIR team.
Originally posted by genus49:
This will come as a shock to you but players aren't paid for they may be able to do in a hypothetical situation on ANOTHER team.

They're paid for the team believes they can do for THEIR team.

i'm just observing the market. jones for 10m seems cheap, compared to goff at 212m. purdy at 900k was stealing, purdy at 336m as i have seen floated on here ok, i question that. as long as the deal is pretty easy cap hits to start, with an out, that gives the club flexibility. that's what i am looking for as a fan, when i see the deal come out.
[ Edited by 49erFaithful6 on Jan 29, 2025 at 11:02 AM ]
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