QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
This will come as a shock to you but players aren't paid for they may be able to do in a hypothetical situation on ANOTHER team.

They're paid for the team believes they can do for THEIR team.

i'm just observing the market. jones for 10m seems cheap, compared to goff at 212m. purdy at 900k was stealing, purdy at 336m as i have seen floated on here ok, i question that. as long as the deal is pretty easy cap hits to start, with an out, that gives the club flexibility. that's what i am looking for as a fan, when i see the deal come out.

If you're going to observe the market then actually use logic and not make believe.

It is very likely that even with the extension Brock's salary cap hit next season will be less than that so called $10 million you'd love to pay Daniel Jones.

Now what has Daniel Jones done to make you think he's even worth that much? Outside of being a first round pick?

This is the year that got Jones paid...compared to the awful Brock Purdy year you think is not worth keeping him over



But as I said it's pointless freaking out about the deal now. It's going to happen and when it does then we can wait for the details and THEN react. Based on the teams former contracts and what I've heard Brock himself say I don't see a situation where the contract is going to handicap the team from making moves or building around Brock.

Now that doesn't mean they can burn through draft picks and make bad FA signings but that goes for every team out there.

You literally have an example of a team paying their QB with limitations and getting back to the SB with a great and young team around him.

And for the record, Brock is a much better QB than Hurts because playing your hypothetical game if Hurts had to play behind the 49ers OL we had last year, even with all our weapons he's not getting us anywhere near where Brock got us.

Originally posted by genus49:
If you're going to observe the market then actually use logic and not make believe.

It is very likely that even with the extension Brock's salary cap hit next season will be less than that so called $10 million you'd love to pay Daniel Jones.

Now what has Daniel Jones done to make you think he's even worth that much? Outside of being a first round pick?

This is the year that got Jones paid...compared to the awful Brock Purdy year you think is not worth keeping him over



But as I said it's pointless freaking out about the deal now. It's going to happen and when it does then we can wait for the details and THEN react. Based on the teams former contracts and what I've heard Brock himself say I don't see a situation where the contract is going to handicap the team from making moves or building around Brock.

Now that doesn't mean they can burn through draft picks and make bad FA signings but that goes for every team out there.

You literally have an example of a team paying their QB with limitations and getting back to the SB with a great and young team around him.

And for the record, Brock is a much better QB than Hurts because playing your hypothetical game if Hurts had to play behind the 49ers OL we had last year, even with all our weapons he's not getting us anywhere near where Brock got us.

i don't think brock is much better than hurts. this is a 2nd SB for hurts. i think from a DC point of view, hurts brings challenges with RPO and run game that brock doesn't bring. i don't think a lot of philly fans are wishing they had brock purdy. they may wish they had mahomes.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think brock is much better than hurts. this is a 2nd SB for hurts. i think from a DC point of view, hurts brings challenges with RPO and run game that brock doesn't bring. i don't think a lot of philly fans are wishing they had brock purdy. they may wish they had mahomes.

He reads defenses at a clearly superior level. Hurts was completely carried the first two playoff games ala Jimmy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

i don't think brock is much better than hurts. this is a 2nd SB for hurts. i think from a DC point of view, hurts brings challenges with RPO and run game that brock doesn't bring. i don't think a lot of philly fans are wishing they had brock purdy. they may wish they had mahomes.

He reads defenses at a clearly superior level. Hurts was completely carried the first two playoff games ala Jimmy.

Hurts should switch to RB. That's what he's known for. They don't really need him now because of saquon, but he can still do his signature move (getting his ass pushed)

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hurts should switch to RB. That's what he's known for. They don't really need him now because of saquon, but he can still do his signature move (getting his ass pushed)

Run the ball, Do bootleg throw, Throw deep down sideline.

Got 3 plays in his arsenal.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hurts should switch to RB. That's what he's known for. They don't really need him now because of saquon, but he can still do his signature move (getting his ass pushed)

Run the ball, Do bootleg throw, Throw deep down sideline.

Got 3 plays in his arsenal.

Only throws to man coverage. Has problems discerning zones. Teams have to stack up to stop Saquon giving Hurts some man coverage on the outside. This is why Eagles are having great success on offense this year. Saquon opens up the passing game. Kinda like what CMC did for us.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
If you're going to observe the market then actually use logic and not make believe.

It is very likely that even with the extension Brock's salary cap hit next season will be less than that so called $10 million you'd love to pay Daniel Jones.

Now what has Daniel Jones done to make you think he's even worth that much? Outside of being a first round pick?

This is the year that got Jones paid...compared to the awful Brock Purdy year you think is not worth keeping him over



But as I said it's pointless freaking out about the deal now. It's going to happen and when it does then we can wait for the details and THEN react. Based on the teams former contracts and what I've heard Brock himself say I don't see a situation where the contract is going to handicap the team from making moves or building around Brock.

Now that doesn't mean they can burn through draft picks and make bad FA signings but that goes for every team out there.

You literally have an example of a team paying their QB with limitations and getting back to the SB with a great and young team around him.

And for the record, Brock is a much better QB than Hurts because playing your hypothetical game if Hurts had to play behind the 49ers OL we had last year, even with all our weapons he's not getting us anywhere near where Brock got us.

i don't think brock is much better than hurts. this is a 2nd SB for hurts. i think from a DC point of view, hurts brings challenges with RPO and run game that brock doesn't bring. i don't think a lot of philly fans are wishing they had brock purdy. they may wish they had mahomes.

Yeah...I'm not shocked by this at all.

This is a 2nd SB for Hurts yes. Dude averages 156 passing yards to get there while his defense averages 13.8 points allowed per game.

Hurts brings the same challenges that Taysom Hill brings as a QB. Hurts just has a better deep ball but the guy is terrible under pressure throwing the ball. Any defense that has to make him hold the ball and read the field puts him through the ringer.

Philly fans are morons but even a larger number of them are starting to understand Jalen Hurts is not a great QB and god help them if their OL falls apart or they lose Barkley due to injury.

The rest of the Eagles fans were busy bashing Purdy for the weapons he had last year, while ignoring the pass pro he had to deal with. Now defending Hurts and don't care of all the talent he's got around him.

Originally posted by father49er:
Only throws to man coverage. Has problems discerning zones. Teams have to stack up to stop Saquon giving Hurts some man coverage on the outside. This is why Eagles are having great success on offense this year. Saquon opens up the passing game. Kinda like what CMC did for us.

yes. i think cmc should have been mvp, and saquon should be mvp this season. just no contest.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Hurts should switch to RB. That's what he's known for. They don't really need him now because of saquon, but he can still do his signature move (getting his ass pushed)

Run the ball, Do bootleg throw, Throw deep down sideline.

Got 3 plays in his arsenal.

Don't forget holding the ball for 10 seconds before taking a sack. He loves that trick. The amount of sacks he'd take behind our line would probably be mind blowing. That safety against the rams was just awful. There's more where that came from too

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Don't forget holding the ball for 10 seconds before taking a sack. He loves that trick. The amount of sacks he'd take behind our line would probably be mind blowing. That safety against the rams was just awful. There's more where that came from too

Jalen Hurts takes a safety

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Faithful is a fan of guys who's own stupidity create safeties so that won't dissuade his praise.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Faithful is a fan of guys who's own stupidity create safeties so that won't dissuade his praise.

He was just saving us from a pick 6

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

i don't think brock is much better than hurts. this is a 2nd SB for hurts. i think from a DC point of view, hurts brings challenges with RPO and run game that brock doesn't bring. i don't think a lot of philly fans are wishing they had brock purdy. they may wish they had mahomes.

He is a decent comp...
Jalen Hurts signed a 5 year, $255,000,000 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including $23,294,000 signing bonus, $179,399,000 guaranteed.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47648/jalen-hurts

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Their worth is what someone will pay. Just because other starters got 50-60m does not necessarily mean anoth

Well yes. He wants to discuss humans throwing a football as if they're apples or eggs. No,...they're individuals with individual abilities.

He'll say "The Market" for QBs is a guaranteed $60M per year but ignores that Daniel Jones' extension was $40M per year with alot of window dressing. The Giants protected themselves by only guaranteeing HALF of that contract. They are able to get out of that contract this coming season while absorbing a dead cap hit of just over $22.2 million.

So no, all starting QBs aren't treated like royalty due to some random number a guy on the internet wants to believe.

So "The Market" isint a $60M cap hit for all QBs, as you said. It's the maximum that 32 teams would pay for his individual services.... in 2028 when he can be a FA unrestrained.

Do you use the webzone for your personal "feel big" moments?

Still overly emotional about your QB. Cant reason with you. Some things never change.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Their worth is what someone will pay. Just because other starters got 50-60m does not necessarily mean anoth

Well yes. He wants to discuss humans throwing a football as if they're apples or eggs. No,...they're individuals with individual abilities.

He'll say "The Market" for QBs is a guaranteed $60M per year but ignores that Daniel Jones' extension was $40M per year with alot of window dressing. The Giants protected themselves by only guaranteeing HALF of that contract. They are able to get out of that contract this coming season while absorbing a dead cap hit of just over $22.2 million.

So no, all starting QBs aren't treated like royalty due to some random number a guy on the internet wants to believe.

So "The Market" isint a $60M cap hit for all QBs, as you said. It's the maximum that 32 teams would pay for his individual services.... in 2028 when he can be a FA unrestrained.

Do you use the webzone for your personal "feel big" moments?

Still overly emotional about your QB. Cant reason with you. Some things never change.

Not saying genus is overly emotional, but I certainly am not. Would love to hear why you think using Daniel Jones as a comp is reasonable in the slightest bit...

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Their worth is what someone will pay. Just because other starters got 50-60m does not necessarily mean another team would pay Brock specifically that amount.

And if we don't want to pay him 55m per year, I'd be curious to see if another team would. We could give him the Aiyuk treatment and say hey you think you're worth that much see what another team will give you that and we are satisfied with the compensation then we'll trade you or agree to sign you for a deal in that range like we did with Aiyuk.

Would a QB-starved team like TEN or OAK or NYG actually give Brock 5 years/275-300m? I'm skeptical.

That being said, with this weak QB class in the draft, the alternatives to Brock are not good. So he better perform like 2022 and 2023 and not like last year going forward.

As been mentioned ad nauseum in this post, franchise quarterbacks do not grow on trees. The current supply of quarterback talent at that level doesn't come close to meeting the demand. Teams without franchise quarterbacks are stuck playing the draft lotto as free agency rarely provides an opportunity to sign a guy at that tier entering or in their prime. The top FA options this year are guys entering retirement soon. Russ, maybe Rodgers, maybe Cousins. The only quarterbacks on the fringe Darnold and maybe Danny Dimes. The rest are firmly in that backup tier. Zach Wilson, Lance, Brissett, Heinicke, Mariota, Lock, Stidham, Dalton, Fields, Flacco, Winston, Mac Jones, Wentz, Jimmy G, Keenum, Rudolph, Brandon Allen, Mullens, Trask, Josh Johnson, Beathard, Huntley, Driskel, Ridder, Zappe, Ehlinger, and Tommy Cutlets. Those in bold have already played for the 49ers under Shanahan. So yes, another team would pay Brock an AAV of 55M+ if he were to somehow end up in free agency. Giants, Raiders, Browns, Titans, Saints, Colts, Steelers, Jets (maybe), Vikings (maybe). The Seahawks and Rams both have to address the position at some point.

If this quarterback draft class is weak, why would that be a bad thing for Brock? Because teams in need are still in need? What he's done so far to be one of the top quarterbacks in the league coupled with that demand is what allows him, and other quarterbacks at that franchise-level tier, to get the money they've been getting. Whether he's the best QB in the league, top 5, or top 10, if you believe you have a franchise QB at the position, you pay them that franchise QB price. It's simply how the league operates.

Originally posted by random49er:
He'll say "The Market" for QBs is a guaranteed $60M per year but ignores that Daniel Jones' extension was $40M per year with alot of window dressing. The Giants protected themselves by only guaranteeing HALF of that contract. They are able to get out of that contract this coming season while absorbing a dead cap hit of just over $22.2 million.

So no, all starting QBs aren't treated like royalty due to some random number a guy on the internet wants to believe.

So "The Market" isint a $60M cap hit for all QBs, as you said. It's the maximum that 32 teams would pay for his individual services.... in 2028 when he can be a FA unrestrained.

I've never generalized "The Market" for all quarterbacks. In fact, I've brought up Danny Dimes before in my commentary and specifically said he was a fringe guy, not a franchise qb level talent. Danny Dimes didn't sign a franchise qb tier contract that reset the market. Danny Dimes was never considered a quarterback in that franchise qb tier. He was a fringe guy where his team still wanted him to prove himself as they weren't sold on him. And they put enough money in front of him that he was willing to sign that deal believing he could prove himself. You talk about the guarantees. 50.63% of the total cash on the contract was guaranteed at signing. Only 10 other starting quarterbacks since 2016 have received a higher percentage. The idea behind the Danny Dimes contract was he either proved himself before year 4 to earn an extension or he would be cut at any point after year 2. The team was willing to move on from him after 2 years and he wanted out sooner. Yes, the Giants have 22.2M in dead cap next year, but they also had 13M in dead cap in 2024 because they cut him in November and still owed him that remaining guaranteed salary.

Cap hits are irrelevant in "The Market". When people discuss "The Market", they are typically referring to new cash, signing bonus, guaranteed money, and/or new cash over years added (extension AAV). I was talking about extension AAV. Cap hits are dependent on how the contract is actually structured, combining allocations for new money to be spent with the allocations that carried over from the prior contract (already spent money, and money guaranteed to be spent). Burrow, The Prince, and Love all signed market franchise QB contracts with 55M extension AAVs. However, they all were paid in different ways. Burrow got a minimized salary while the other two got more. Signing bonuses differed at 40M, 37.5M and 75M respectively. Love had a lesser amount of unaccounted for cap hits that carried over into his new contract. The Prince didn't get any other offseason bonus. That led to different cap hits for each player in their first year.

• Burrow - 19.5M = 2023 minimum salary + 2023 signing bonus proration + 2020 signing bonus proration + training camp roster bonus
• The Prince - 15M = 2024 salary + 2024 signing bonus proration + 2021 signing bonus proration
• Love - 20.8M = 2024 Salary + 2024 signing bonus proration + 2023 Signing Bonus Proration + 2024 Workout Bonus

And each following year will have a different cap hit depending on how much they spent in each year and how they allocated that spending. Here are the cap hits over their contract when they signed (italicized represents cap hits in void years):

• Burrow - 19.5M, 29.7M, 46.25M, 48.25M, 52.25M, 53.5M, 68.5M, 9M, 3M, 1M
• The Prince - 15M, 17M, 24M, 35M, 47M, 78.5M, 74.8M, 21M, 7M
• Love - 20.8M, 29.8M, 36.1M, 42.5M, 74.2M, 34.7M, 14.2M, 6.3M

Franchise quarterbacks are treated like royalty. "The Market" does have an effect on franchise quarterbacks because teams do not want to lose them when they find one. Don't take my word for it. Look at the history of franchise qb contracts over the salary cap era, especially following the implementation of the rookie wage scale.

The market price isn't what he can get in 2028 when he becomes an UNRESTRICTED free agent, if we were playing the franchise tag game would actually be 2029 (1 yr remaining + 3 years of tags). The market price matters when you want to extend him. There is a benefit to getting players extended off an existing contract with years remaining, as it allows newly spent money to be spread into that prior contract. Going back to The Prince. The Jaguars had his 4th year remaining, a 5th year option already picked up, and three years of tag control. They weren't offering him the market deal he could expect to be paid in 2029. They offered him the market price given to franchise quarterbacks in 2024. The Eagles had 1 year remaining and 3 years of tag control on Hurts. They didn't pay him based on what the market price would be in 2027. His cash flow doesn't change after 2026 (51M per year) but his cap hits steadily grow because he has maximized option bonuses in every year of his contract. They paid him the market rate for franchise quarterbacks in 2023. A week later, the Ravens reset the market paying Lamar just a little more.

Edit - About the franchise tag, why would the team not extend him but give him 3 franchise tags? Minimizing the franchise tags applied to Purdy, they would be 45M (non-exclusive 2026), 54M (non-exclusive 2027), and 70M+ ("3rd" tag 2028).