QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Franchise QB's: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels. These are guys who won't be replaced. They are capable of winning a SB. They need not have weapons at every position to be successful. Montana, Brady, and Manning were franchise QB's.

Guys like Mayfield, Purdy, Hurts, & Goff are QB's you can probably win a SB with. But don't count on them to consistently carry you. They aren't good enough for that. These are good QB's but aren't irreplaceable by any means.

Yet the QB's you said are capable of winning the Super Bowl only one you mentioned has actually won one.

Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

Originally posted by genus49:
Right? Every year we hear about how unless you're QB XYZ you can't win the SB and yet the YZ don't have a SB.

So clearly those guys need the extra help too or they go home by Mr X. And yes Burrow beat Mahomes once but still couldn't get the win in the end.

Chiefs and Mahomes have a ton of help. Just because his offense wasn't a juggernaut doesn't eliminate how much talent is on that team and how well coached they are and how good their defense and special teams is.

EVERY QB needs help. You will be incredibly hard pressed to find SB winners who had bad teams around them.

it's just frustrating watching the same QB win all the time. brady won for 20 years and now 5 years or so of mahomes winning. the recipe is you pair a elite HC and a elite QB, by and large. well, i think kyle is pretty darn good at HC, but what i see in terms of how we fit the equation is we are lacking at QB. since 2000 our QBs have not been very elite. we got jim brock & alex garcia. that's where we haven't quite met the standard imo

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

hear hear. you put brock on buffalo, he limits what they can run on offense. you put allen on SF, he expands what we can do.

1. Originally posted by genus49:
   

   Originally posted by Kolohe:
   

   Originally posted by 49ers9797:
   Franchise QB's: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels. These are guys who won't be replaced. They are capable of winning a SB. They need not have weapons at every position to be successful. Montana, Brady, and Manning were franchise QB's.
   
   Guys like Mayfield, Purdy, Hurts, & Goff are QB's you can probably win a SB with. But don't count on them to consistently carry you. They aren't good enough for that. These are good QB's but aren't irreplaceable by any means.

   
   Yet the QB's you said are capable of winning the Super Bowl only one you mentioned has actually won one.

   
   Right? Every year we hear about how unless you're QB XYZ you can't win the SB and yet the YZ don't have a SB.
   
   So clearly those guys need the extra help too or they go home by Mr X. And yes Burrow beat Mahomes once but still couldn't get the win in the end.
   
   Chiefs and Mahomes have a ton of help. Just because his offense wasn't a juggernaut doesn't eliminate how much talent is on that team and how well coached they are and how good their defense and special teams is.
   
   EVERY QB needs help. You will be incredibly hard pressed to find SB winners who had bad teams around them.

Overall? Yes. In terms of ST's, D, and HC's.

In terms of offense? Not every QB needs a Hill, Jefferson, or Chase. Brady won SB's before Gronk. He won a title with Edelman, Hogan, and Gronk's replacement in SB 51.

Mahomes doesn't need elite receivers. Nor an elite RB.

But I do acknowledge they each had top defenses and HC's.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

hear hear. you put brock on buffalo, he limits what they can run on offense. you put allen on SF, he expands what we can do.

Exactly. I'm just referring to offense.

But this team with a healthy D next year and Allen could go undefeated imo.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

Ridiculous and unprovable hypothetical.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

Ridiculous and unprovable hypothetical.

we did play the bills and we got pantsed. that was proven. guy was throwing tds to himself if i recall correct. brock was struggling to grip the ball. it's no shame in saying ok there are better guys at this position. i don't pretend jennings is better than jamarr chase, for example. i like jennings. but let's be real about what he brings to the table. same with kicker and QB and all these positions.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

Ridiculous and unprovable hypothetical.

we did play the bills and we got pantsed. that was proven. guy was throwing tds to himself if i recall correct. brock was struggling to grip the ball. it's no shame in saying ok there are better guys at this position. i don't pretend jennings is better than jamarr chase, for example. i like jennings. but let's be real about what he brings to the table. same with kicker and QB and all these positions.

When have you ever been real about what qbs bring to the table?

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Franchise QB's: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels. These are guys who won't be replaced. They are capable of winning a SB. They need not have weapons at every position to be successful. Montana, Brady, and Manning were franchise QB's.

Guys like Mayfield, Purdy, Hurts, & Goff are QB's you can probably win a SB with. But don't count on them to consistently carry you. They aren't good enough for that. These are good QB's but aren't irreplaceable by any means.

Yet the QB's you said are capable of winning the Super Bowl only one you mentioned has actually won one.

Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

I'd argue that Daniels definitely does not deserve to be on this list yet. I bet you said/would have said the same thing about Stroud after his rookie season. Funny he's not on the list this year. Such recency bias

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Franchise QB's: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels. These are guys who won't be replaced. They are capable of winning a SB. They need not have weapons at every position to be successful. Montana, Brady, and Manning were franchise QB's.

Guys like Mayfield, Purdy, Hurts, & Goff are QB's you can probably win a SB with. But don't count on them to consistently carry you. They aren't good enough for that. These are good QB's but aren't irreplaceable by any means.

Yet the QB's you said are capable of winning the Super Bowl only one you mentioned has actually won one.

Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

I'd argue that Daniels definitely does not deserve to be on this list yet. I bet you said/would have said the same thing about Stroud after his rookie season. Funny he's not on the list this year. Such recency bias

Yes it's too soon to put Daniels on that list. Let's see how he doesnext season when they'll play a tougher schedule. I like to see 3 seasons before I make any decisin on how ood a QB is. That's enough time to see him against most NFL trams and in all types of weather conditions. Also enough time to see how he does when some supporting players are injured. Maybe even coaching changes.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

Based on what?

Joe Montana said today in an article on 49ers webzone that Brock needs to settle down, and that sometimes he forced it by throwing it to receivers not in the area. Very true.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Franchise QB's: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels. These are guys who won't be replaced. They are capable of winning a SB. They need not have weapons at every position to be successful. Montana, Brady, and Manning were franchise QB's.

Guys like Mayfield, Purdy, Hurts, & Goff are QB's you can probably win a SB with. But don't count on them to consistently carry you. They aren't good enough for that. These are good QB's but aren't irreplaceable by any means.

Yet the QB's you said are capable of winning the Super Bowl only one you mentioned has actually won one.

Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

This is pure hypothetical BS. Josh Allen didn't come out playing the type of football he is today and you're comparing a 7 year QB to a 3rd year guy.

The Bills weren't trash. They were much healthier than the 49ers were all year and while you may not know their names their skill players were pretty damn good and a lot more consistent than most of the guys Brock had this year. Bills also had one of the best OLines in the game.

Mitch Trubisky in mop up duty and 1/2 of a start last week of the year completed a higher % of his passes and had 2 TDs with 0 turnovers.

James Cook, Ray Davis and Ty Johnson were an excellent trio of RBs who played all year. Khalil Shakir is a solid WR and one who's been with Josh for 3 years now. He's got 2 highly drafted TEs. Amari Cooper in a trade as a depth piece.

This is no different than the year I heard people claiming Peyton Manning was playing with scrubs because Marvin Harrison was gone and he had Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and some guy named Pierre Garcon.

Sometimes guys just haven't made their name yet. Doesn't mean there is no talent there or that Josh is doing something groundbreaking.

Only guy I remember in recent history to really make that claim is Tom Brady in 2006 and even then he had a great defense.

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

hear hear. you put brock on buffalo, he limits what they can run on offense. you put allen on SF, he expands what we can do.

Exactly. I'm just referring to offense.

But this team with a healthy D next year and Allen could go undefeated imo.

Great...tell that to Joe Burrow.

Let's just overlook the poor play by the defense unable to hold leads, let's ignore special teams absolutely destroying games and pretend that Josh Allen fixes everything.

Burrow just had a monster season on offense and guess what? They missed the playoffs and yardage wise our offense was better than theirs.

You guys love to overlook OL like it's not a huge part of a team. Let's just forget how good the Bills running game was this year all to pretend Allen doesn't need help.

How did Patrick Mahomes do in the SB vs Tampa Bay when his OL was a mess? Surely the great Mahomes got it done right?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

Ridiculous and unprovable hypothetical.

we did play the bills and we got pantsed. that was proven. guy was throwing tds to himself if i recall correct. brock was struggling to grip the ball. it's no shame in saying ok there are better guys at this position. i don't pretend jennings is better than jamarr chase, for example. i like jennings. but let's be real about what he brings to the table. same with kicker and QB and all these positions.

I question if you actually watch the games...