QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Yes the whole team believing in him means nothing lol ok my man

The public statements mean nothing when it comes down to the details of the contract. Try to understand what I'm saying. They can believe in him and still hedge their bets, and I think they probably will as much as they can.

Having the team and coaching staff behind him does factor in. The atypical statements are just proof we have as fans of how much they are behind him. Parag will do his job because nobody can predict the future, but don't try to compare their praise of Trey to their praise of Brock. It not the same

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Having the team and coaching staff behind him does factor in. The atypical statements are just proof we have as fans of how much they are behind him. Parag will do his job because nobody can predict the future, but don't try to compare their praise of Trey to their praise of Brock. It not the same

I wasn't comparing the substance of their statements. I was saying they don't mean anything. Also I paired the substance of their statements in the context of support of fan arguments. Your post was an example of that… you used statements by the team in conjunction with your conclusion about his film.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Having the team and coaching staff behind him does factor in. The atypical statements are just proof we have as fans of how much they are behind him. Parag will do his job because nobody can predict the future, but don't try to compare their praise of Trey to their praise of Brock. It not the same

I wasn't comparing the substance of their statements. I was saying they don't mean anything. Also I paired the substance of their statements in the context of support of fan arguments. Your post was an example of that… you used statements by the team in conjunction with your conclusion about his film.

I said his film is why they say what they say

Not his film is good because they say good things

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said his film is why they say what they say

Not his film is good because they say good things

Yes you did exactly what I said. You paired their statements with your conclusion about the film. The statements are more credible to you because of your personal opinion about the player. This happened incessantly in the Trey debates from other people, when it was obviously wrong. This time it's not as clear.

I'll be honest, I hope we don't give Brock a short Daniel jones like contract cause that will be more restrictive on the salary cap.

Will be interesting if they give him a 3 year extension and spread the money out. That might give Brock extra motivation but who knows.

it could be best for Brock if he balls out. It would maximize his money. It can also benefit the team if they want to move on from him.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I said his film is why they say what they say

Not his film is good because they say good things

Yes you did exactly what I said. You paired their statements with your conclusion about the film. The statements are more credible to you because of your personal opinion about the player. This happened incessantly in the Trey debates from other people, when it was obviously wrong. This time it's not as clear.

My conclusion about his film has nothing to do with their statements. I just said his film is why they say what they say

The statements are more credible because they are different this time, and extremely high praise at that. If it was the same crap as before it wouldn't mean anything to me

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
My conclusion about his film has nothing to do with their statements. I just said his film is why they say what they say

The statements are more credible because they are different this time, and extremely high praise at that. If it was the same crap as before it wouldn't mean anything to me

Lol, you just don't want to put this point together I guess. I understand your conclusion about the film has nothing to do with their statements. I'm saying your personal opinion about the player is coloring the credibility you give to their statements. That is happening in this thread and happened in the Trey arguments. For example, in the Trey arguments many people believed he was a viable future franchise QB, based on their own evaluation or a limited set of statistics, and when they paired this belief with the things Kyle and John said publicly, it became impossible to convince them the team may actually feel differently (when they obviously did and it was eventually shown).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

My conclusion about his film has nothing to do with their statements. I just said his film is why they say what they say

The statements are more credible because they are different this time, and extremely high praise at that. If it was the same crap as before it wouldn't mean anything to me

Lol, you just don't want to put this point together I guess. I understand your conclusion about the film has nothing to do with their statements. I'm saying your personal opinion about the player is coloring the credibility you give to their statements. That is happening in this thread and happened in the Trey arguments. For example, in the Trey arguments many people believed he was a viable future franchise QB, based on their own evaluation or a limited set of statistics, and when they paired this belief with the things Kyle and John said publicly, it became impossible to convince them the team may actually feel differently (when they obviously did and it was eventually shown).

I told you why I think it's different this time, and you still want to believe otherwise. Oh well

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
They believed in CJ, Jimmy and Trey.

They gave a contract to Jimmy with timing being a major factor. They moved off Trey as fast as reasonably possible and CJ was a backup.

There's a lot of relevant lessons to be learned with the Trey saga. Seems like some people didn't pick them up though.

Exactly. Easy for fans to sit back and play the "let's just get an elite QB!" and "keep trying to land a top QB until you find one"

0 skin in the game as a fan sitting at home. All we have is time if we're not winning a SB it's the same s**t to us. Not the case for coaches and staff that are actually accountable for not winning those SBs.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Jimmy situation was different because they only had 5 games before giving him his contract. When Kyle took the ball out of Jimmys hands in the playoffs it was obvious he didn't believe in him. Trey and cj did not get extensions. Brock been with him 3 years now. This is different than all the QBs you mentioned

Brock's situation is certainly different, but you see a lot of parallels in the arguments here. Like a large reliance on personal evaluation of the player using public statements from the team as support, for example.

You don't have to rely on anything they say. The film backs it up. That's why Kyle is still behind him after 3 years. That's why Kyle and Warner say things about him they never did about Jimmy

Exactly...we know based on how Kyle treated the other guys vs how he's treated Brock it's not the same situation at all.

Also hilarious the other dude even brought up CJ like he was ever supposed to be the long term QB for us.

He moved off Trey SO quickly, I know I was one of the people here thinking he didn't even get a proper evaluation and given how his career went with Dallas I was wrong and given how Brock responded even after that elbow injury Kyle clearly made the right call there too.

He may not be the guy some fans want but he clearly has Kyle bought in and that's the key because Kyle will be one of the main guys making the call whether Brock is extended or not.

Now because Brock isn't an elite level QB they will look to hedge their bets and they should because you never know. Which is why I'm not worried about the contract being the death of the 49ers like some pretend.

Originally posted by genus49:

Exactly...we know based on how Kyle treated the other guys vs how he's treated Brock it's not the same situation at all.

Also hilarious the other dude even brought up CJ like he was ever supposed to be the long term QB for us.

He moved off Trey SO quickly, I know I was one of the people here thinking he didn't even get a proper evaluation and given how his career went with Dallas I was wrong and given how Brock responded even after that elbow injury Kyle clearly made the right call there too.

He may not be the guy some fans want but he clearly has Kyle bought in and that's the key because Kyle will be one of the main guys making the call whether Brock is extended or not.

Now because Brock isn't an elite level QB they will look to hedge their bets and they should because you never know. Which is why I'm not worried about the contract being the death of the 49ers like some pretend.

Yea there's times I can't believe Kyle is talking about his own qb. Didn't think he had it in him lol

It's also funny how everyone expects him to be elite already. He's mobile but not dual threat enough to lean on his running while he develops the passing game. He has to develop the old school way, and I'm down to give him the chance(it's a no brainer imo). He's only off to a bad start if you ask me

Not sure what Graziano is smoking but if Purdy is willing to take $49M a year you do it as soon as possible IMHO.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Not sure what Graziano is smoking but if Purdy is willing to take $49M a year you do it as soon as possible IMHO.

I think he accepts around there too. Honestly that's reasonable. IMO

Dude was making less than a million, pretty sure he'll be happy about that. lol

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Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
Franchise QB's: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Daniels. These are guys who won't be replaced. They are capable of winning a SB. They need not have weapons at every position to be successful. Montana, Brady, and Manning were franchise QB's.

Guys like Mayfield, Purdy, Hurts, & Goff are QB's you can probably win a SB with. But don't count on them to consistently carry you. They aren't good enough for that. These are good QB's but aren't irreplaceable by any means.

Yet the QB's you said are capable of winning the Super Bowl only one you mentioned has actually won one.

Brady, Manning, and Mahomes have 12 SB's between them. 13 in 10 days when Mahomes wins again. Montana was from a different era. He had 4.

Of active no SB QB's, Allen has proven he can put up stats and win postseason games without elite pass catchers. Nobody can argue he doesn't make others better.

If Purdy and Allen changed places this year, the Bills are fighting for a top pick. The 49ers might have two losses at most.

Purdy isn't better than Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow or Daniels. No case can be made.

So far you have mentioned 8 guys spanning multiple decades. Surprised you said Daniels is GOAT now only after 1 year. People said that about Stroud last year but that talk has settled down a lot.

8 guys 30 years, 32 teams looking. Sounds like these great QBs are hard to find. Maybe instead of chasing unicorns you find a QB you can win with and build around him. Or you can be like the Jags, Browns, Raiders, Bears and strikeout every few years, rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Not sure what Graziano is smoking but if Purdy is willing to take $49M a year you do it as soon as possible IMHO.

I think he accepts around there too. Honestly that's reasonable. IMO

Dude was making less than a million, pretty sure he'll be happy about that. lol

That is what people don't understand. That is a fortune. He knows he is set for life no matter what. 40-60. A little lower allows for other signings. Other signings help with SB win. SB win equals massive third contract. He knows this.