QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i was saying after 2020 we need to do something else at QB. you can't have QB1 missing every other season. not sustainable. those are really the only losing seasons with kyle, the ones jimmy was hurt. other than year 1 when the thing wasn't built yet and also, last season.

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the posts are all there. i kept saying it's a reliability / durability issue. missing 2/3 seasons isn't something you can just roll with at QB1.

now they bungled the pivot from jimmy, to lance. that wasn't the right guy and it was too much draft cost. brock bailed them out, and being burned by the lance move is why they are done looking for QB. it's a question is brock good enough. i think he's good enough to point guard a loaded team. 2024 shows he may not be good enough to will a less loaded team to the playoffs.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the posts are all there. i kept saying it's a reliability / durability issue. missing 2/3 seasons isn't something you can just roll with at QB1.

now they bungled the pivot from jimmy, to lance. that wasn't the right guy and it was too much draft cost. brock bailed them out, and being burned by the lance move is why they are done looking for QB. it's a question is brock good enough. i think he's good enough to point guard a loaded team. 2024 shows he may not be good enough to will a less loaded team to the playoffs.

Feel free to show it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the posts are all there. i kept saying it's a reliability / durability issue. missing 2/3 seasons isn't something you can just roll with at QB1.

now they bungled the pivot from jimmy, to lance. that wasn't the right guy and it was too much draft cost. brock bailed them out, and being burned by the lance move is why they are done looking for QB. it's a question is brock good enough. i think he's good enough to point guard a loaded team. 2024 shows he may not be good enough to will a less loaded team to the playoffs.

Feel free to show it.

it's all there i'm not doing a research project for you. he played well and we won, but availability is a huge issue for all players, even more so for QB1. this is all pretty basic stuff here.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's all there i'm not doing a research project for you. he played well and we won, but availability is a huge issue for all players, even more so for QB1. this is all pretty basic stuff here.

Guarantee it's not all there.

You were defending Jimmys performance against the Broncos. At no point was there a man why did we bring back this continually hurt guy. Then before Miami you were talking about how he should be resigned alongside all the other Jimmy stans. There was no talk about how we should move on and get someone else.

If we can't have a continuously hurt QB 1 why advocate for Daniel Jones?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

Kap had two things going against him.

One, his success was predicated on his ability to move. Once teams adjusted to that ability he wasn't able to overcome it. Purdy issues this year were not based on some defensive adjustment, it was due to him trying to do too much coupled with the injuries.

Two, Kap didn't have competent coaching in the pass game. Purdy has that in spades.

You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

Originally posted by Niners99:
You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

yes. what i see now with brock, is he has the arm limitations. this is coming from a guy that defended his arm, and said well he can make 'all the throws' even if his arm isn't a rifle. what i saw last season, his passes lacked zip consistently. teams sit on the intermediate in breaking routes and take the ball off brock. so there is a league adjusting to brock effect going on.

Originally posted by Niners99:
You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

Well Hurts has no answer and still has a career. It's about finding the right people who can hide your weakness. Kap never had that and didn't have the drive to get any better unfortunately.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the posts are all there. i kept saying it's a reliability / durability issue. missing 2/3 seasons isn't something you can just roll with at QB1.

now they bungled the pivot from jimmy, to lance. that wasn't the right guy and it was too much draft cost. brock bailed them out, and being burned by the lance move is why they are done looking for QB. it's a question is brock good enough. i think he's good enough to point guard a loaded team. 2024 shows he may not be good enough to will a less loaded team to the playoffs.

Feel free to show it.

it's all there i'm not doing a research project for you. he played well and we won, but availability is a huge issue for all players, even more so for QB1. this is all pretty basic stuff here.

lol faith caught BS'n again

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

Kap had two things going against him.

One, his success was predicated on his ability to move. Once teams adjusted to that ability he wasn't able to overcome it. Purdy issues this year were not based on some defensive adjustment, it was due to him trying to do too much coupled with the injuries.

Two, Kap didn't have competent coaching in the pass game. Purdy has that in spades.

You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

Kap could read defenses, he just had that Aaron Rodgers-style "I'm going to my guy" thing which made us predictable and he always threw fastballs (even on checkdowns) so only guys with the best hands, like Crabtree and Boldin, could catch his passes. Passes to Gore and VD fell off a cliff.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
So be it? It took 30years to find a qb as good as Purdy. You want to throw that all away and wait another 30 years? Yeah they existed that was fun existing. Shoot why stop there let's fire the coach that's taken them to two superbowls and hire Jack Del Rio and exist. Maybe ticket prices will come down and we can exist to see a few crappy games. Meanwhile we can all say maybe next year we'll find that qb.

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i don't understand the 30 years bit. we lost to KC twice in the bowl, and we were doing that before brock even got here. what sense does it make to say brock took us to the bowl, he surely didn't take us to SB 54. maybe we had an elite team, capable of taking mid tier starters to the bowl. that would seem to be supported by the evidence. team only got better for brock. (for example, SB 54 was mostert, SB 58 was CMC, Trent).

You're either naive or biased if you can't tell the difference between Purdy and all the other QBs this franchise has had over the last 30years. Which is it?

I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

It was all running, no throwing. That wasn't QB-ing. Dom Capers pretty much ended his career there having his DBs play with their backs to the tall lanky QB that could run like a gazelle. No world-beater QB-ing, though.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

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Kap had two things going against him.

One, his success was predicated on his ability to move. Once teams adjusted to that ability he wasn't able to overcome it. Purdy issues this year were not based on some defensive adjustment, it was due to him trying to do too much coupled with the injuries.

Two, Kap didn't have competent coaching in the pass game. Purdy has that in spades.

You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

Kap could read defenses, he just had that Aaron Rodgers-style "I'm going to my guy" thing which made us predictable and he always threw fastballs (even on checkdowns) so only guys with the best hands, like Crabtree and Boldin, could catch his passes. Passes to Gore and VD fell off a cliff.

What defense was he reading or which wr was he locked onto when the rams decided to leave both wr uncovered he decided a qb keeper was the better choice? Look Kap was fun with his running ability but he was not in the same class as an overall qb as Purdy. That's just the facts.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
So be it? It took 30years to find a qb as good as Purdy. You want to throw that all away and wait another 30 years? Yeah they existed that was fun existing. Shoot why stop there let's fire the coach that's taken them to two superbowls and hire Jack Del Rio and exist. Maybe ticket prices will come down and we can exist to see a few crappy games. Meanwhile we can all say maybe next year we'll find that qb.

i don't understand the 30 years bit. we lost to KC twice in the bowl, and we were doing that before brock even got here. what sense does it make to say brock took us to the bowl, he surely didn't take us to SB 54. maybe we had an elite team, capable of taking mid tier starters to the bowl. that would seem to be supported by the evidence. team only got better for brock. (for example, SB 54 was mostert, SB 58 was CMC, Trent).

I'm sure you want to forget this fact...but had Jimmy played like Brock did in that 4th quarter we win that 2019 SB.

And I'm sure you don't want to go back and compare the impact Brock had on our wins last year to get us into the SB vs what Jimmy did to get us to that SB in 2019.

Did the defense get better for Brock too? You mentioned 2 guys who in the SB for Brock had critical mistakes. Mostert btw ran for 220 yards and 4 TDs in the NFCCG....but yeah poor Jimmy had it rough with Joe Staley at RT.

Wanna compare the competition while you're at it? KC defense #2 in points and yards allowed in the NFL and in their 5th year under Spags vs 7th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed in their first year with Spags.

Keep thinking Brock is just like Jimmy...

Originally posted by genus49:
I'm sure you want to forget this fact...but had Jimmy played like Brock did in that 4th quarter we win that 2019 SB.

And I'm sure you don't want to go back and compare the impact Brock had on our wins last year to get us into the SB vs what Jimmy did to get us to that SB in 2019.

Did the defense get better for Brock too? You mentioned 2 guys who in the SB for Brock had critical mistakes. Mostert btw ran for 220 yards and 4 TDs in the NFCCG....but yeah poor Jimmy had it rough with Joe Staley at RT.

Wanna compare the competition while you're at it? KC defense #2 in points and yards allowed in the NFL and in their 5th year under Spags vs 7th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed in their first year with Spags.

Keep thinking Brock is just like Jimmy...

it's about what do we think brock is. if you think brock is lamar or mahomes or montana, good on you. i don't have him in that tier. when jimmy was here he was mid tier or solid tier, and that's probably where brock is. i just haven't seen enough particularly with his 2024 season to say he's in the best in nfl tier.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
did we not live through it? everyone said kaepernick was the man, in 2012. everyone said jimmy was the guy, in 2017. we always anoint these guys a tad early. in reality, he's on the level with those guys right now. good start, and SB L, all 3.

some points

we just won 6 games, with a SB window roster
brock didn't exactly play well
he struggles to put much on the football
he struggles more than a typical QB in conditions
he was picked dead last in the draft due to some of the above concerns

so this is all part of the equation. i saw a team dominate in 2023, and he was excelling as a point guard of the team. i don't watch the point guard distribute to elite guys with an elite LT and elite coach and say ok, pay the point guard 65+m aav. he did well, but it was a situation i would expect any QB who is halfway competent, to play well.

Kap got paid after 26 starts including 3 in the playoffs
Jimmy got paid after 7 starts with 0 playoff games.

Brock has 42 starts including 6 in the playoffs.

To save you the math he's got more starts and playoff games combined than Kap and Jimmy had before they got paid.

Kap's issues were he lacked development in the mental part of the game and concentrated on the wrong stuff. Had he taken the trade to Denver and concentrated on football he may still be playing.

Bringing up the draft when Tom Brady is the greatest QB to play the sport and our very own Joe Montana was a 3rd round pick is pretty stupid.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:
You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

yes. what i see now with brock, is he has the arm limitations. this is coming from a guy that defended his arm, and said well he can make 'all the throws' even if his arm isn't a rifle. what i saw last season, his passes lacked zip consistently. teams sit on the intermediate in breaking routes and take the ball off brock. so there is a league adjusting to brock effect going on.

Doing this again eh?

Show me a play where his arm strength was the reason he got picked off.