QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:
You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

yes. what i see now with brock, is he has the arm limitations. this is coming from a guy that defended his arm, and said well he can make 'all the throws' even if his arm isn't a rifle. what i saw last season, his passes lacked zip consistently. teams sit on the intermediate in breaking routes and take the ball off brock. so there is a league adjusting to brock effect going on.

Doing this again eh?

Show me a play where his arm strength was the reason he got picked off.

would you kindly answer my post about the tiers. i would say mid tier, do you put him in the mahomes tier? or josh allen tier? you tell me

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

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Kap had two things going against him.

One, his success was predicated on his ability to move. Once teams adjusted to that ability he wasn't able to overcome it. Purdy issues this year were not based on some defensive adjustment, it was due to him trying to do too much coupled with the injuries.

Two, Kap didn't have competent coaching in the pass game. Purdy has that in spades.

You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

Kap could read defenses, he just had that Aaron Rodgers-style "I'm going to my guy" thing which made us predictable and he always threw fastballs (even on checkdowns) so only guys with the best hands, like Crabtree and Boldin, could catch his passes. Passes to Gore and VD fell off a cliff.

Kap's processing was slow. That was his issue.

We had a perfect offense designed for his talent - 2 TE set with dominant duo with Vernon and Delanie, a top tier OL and solid WRs as well. We could run or throw equally well out of those looks and made it very difficult for teams to defend us.

Once the OL started falling apart due to free agency, Delanie signing with the Titans and it was never the same. Teams got a read on our offense and got better at defending the zone read, it forced Kap to go through progressions more and that wasn't his strength. Then injuries and the kneeling came up and we have no idea where he would've been these days.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

Kap had two things going against him.

One, his success was predicated on his ability to move. Once teams adjusted to that ability he wasn't able to overcome it. Purdy issues this year were not based on some defensive adjustment, it was due to him trying to do too much coupled with the injuries.

Two, Kap didn't have competent coaching in the pass game. Purdy has that in spades.

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You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

Kap could read defenses, he just had that Aaron Rodgers-style "I'm going to my guy" thing which made us predictable and he always threw fastballs (even on checkdowns) so only guys with the best hands, like Crabtree and Boldin, could catch his passes. Passes to Gore and VD fell off a cliff.

Kap's processing was slow. That was his issue.

We had a perfect offense designed for his talent - 2 TE set with dominant duo with Vernon and Delanie, a top tier OL and solid WRs as well. We could run or throw equally well out of those looks and made it very difficult for teams to defend us.

Once the OL started falling apart due to free agency, Delanie signing with the Titans and it was never the same. Teams got a read on our offense and got better at defending the zone read, it forced Kap to go through progressions more and that wasn't his strength. Then injuries and the kneeling came up and we have no idea where he would've been these days.

Wow just imagine Purdy playing on that team!!! They would have blown out Baltimore.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:
You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

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yes. what i see now with brock, is he has the arm limitations. this is coming from a guy that defended his arm, and said well he can make 'all the throws' even if his arm isn't a rifle. what i saw last season, his passes lacked zip consistently. teams sit on the intermediate in breaking routes and take the ball off brock. so there is a league adjusting to brock effect going on.

Doing this again eh?

Show me a play where his arm strength was the reason he got picked off.

would you kindly answer my post about the tiers. i would say mid tier, do you put him in the mahomes tier? or josh allen tier? you tell me

So you went from mid tiers to Mahomes/Allen tier? Do you really want to be taken seriously?

I have Brock in the top 10.

If you care then here is how I have them

Elite: Mahomes, Allen, Lamar
Near Elite: Burrow
Tier 3: Stafford, Jayden Daniels
Tier 4: Herbert, Stroud
Tier 5: Mayfield, Purdy
Tier 6: Love, Hurts, Murray, Nix, Tua

I can see people putting some of those guys above Brock but that's where I have them ranked. I value a bigger track record, playoff play and intangibles.

Cousins and Rodgers I'm not ranking anymore and need to see more from Caleb Williams

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

Kap had two things going against him.

One, his success was predicated on his ability to move. Once teams adjusted to that ability he wasn't able to overcome it. Purdy issues this year were not based on some defensive adjustment, it was due to him trying to do too much coupled with the injuries.

Two, Kap didn't have competent coaching in the pass game. Purdy has that in spades.

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You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

Kap could read defenses, he just had that Aaron Rodgers-style "I'm going to my guy" thing which made us predictable and he always threw fastballs (even on checkdowns) so only guys with the best hands, like Crabtree and Boldin, could catch his passes. Passes to Gore and VD fell off a cliff.

Kap's processing was slow. That was his issue.

We had a perfect offense designed for his talent - 2 TE set with dominant duo with Vernon and Delanie, a top tier OL and solid WRs as well. We could run or throw equally well out of those looks and made it very difficult for teams to defend us.

Once the OL started falling apart due to free agency, Delanie signing with the Titans and it was never the same. Teams got a read on our offense and got better at defending the zone read, it forced Kap to go through progressions more and that wasn't his strength. Then injuries and the kneeling came up and we have no idea where he would've been these days.

Kap took that team with VD and Delanie to the Superbowl.
Losing Delanie, and ironically enough, Tedd Ginn really hurt that team.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by All22:
I love Purdy but will never forget that Kap looked like a world-beater after 2 seasons too. His destruction of GB in the playoffs was a revolutionary moment to the league.

Kap had two things going against him.

One, his success was predicated on his ability to move. Once teams adjusted to that ability he wasn't able to overcome it. Purdy issues this year were not based on some defensive adjustment, it was due to him trying to do too much coupled with the injuries.

Two, Kap didn't have competent coaching in the pass game. Purdy has that in spades.

You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

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Kap could read defenses, he just had that Aaron Rodgers-style "I'm going to my guy" thing which made us predictable and he always threw fastballs (even on checkdowns) so only guys with the best hands, like Crabtree and Boldin, could catch his passes. Passes to Gore and VD fell off a cliff.

Kap's processing was slow. That was his issue.

We had a perfect offense designed for his talent - 2 TE set with dominant duo with Vernon and Delanie, a top tier OL and solid WRs as well. We could run or throw equally well out of those looks and made it very difficult for teams to defend us.

Once the OL started falling apart due to free agency, Delanie signing with the Titans and it was never the same. Teams got a read on our offense and got better at defending the zone read, it forced Kap to go through progressions more and that wasn't his strength. Then injuries and the kneeling came up and we have no idea where he would've been these days.

Wow just imagine Purdy playing on that team!!! They would have blown out Baltimore.

Still gotta overcome Jim Harbaugh getting severly outcoached by his brother.

Originally posted by HysterikaI:
You can't evaluate any QB until they have a STUD CENTER.

Adam Vinatieri, meh. It was the great David Andrews who made Tom Brady's career!

Originally posted by genus49:
So you went from mid tiers to Mahomes/Allen tier? Do you really want to be taken seriously?

I have Brock in the top 10.

If you care then here is how I have them

Elite: Mahomes, Allen, Lamar
Near Elite: Burrow
Tier 3: Stafford, Jayden Daniels
Tier 4: Herbert, Stroud
Tier 5: Mayfield, Purdy
Tier 6: Love, Hurts, Murray, Nix, Tua

I can see people putting some of those guys above Brock but that's where I have them ranked. I value a bigger track record, playoff play and intangibles.

Cousins and Rodgers I'm not ranking anymore and need to see more from Caleb Williams

ok tier 5. we are really splitting hairs here and probably in agreement on 90%. tier 5 is a ways down the list. so we probably have more in common than not in common.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:
You're forgetting the most important thing. Kap couldn't read defenses. First read, then looked to run. Defenses caught up to his one trick and he had no answer and his career fell apart.

yes. what i see now with brock, is he has the arm limitations. this is coming from a guy that defended his arm, and said well he can make 'all the throws' even if his arm isn't a rifle. what i saw last season, his passes lacked zip consistently. teams sit on the intermediate in breaking routes and take the ball off brock. so there is a league adjusting to brock effect going on.

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Doing this again eh?

Show me a play where his arm strength was the reason he got picked off.

would you kindly answer my post about the tiers. i would say mid tier, do you put him in the mahomes tier? or josh allen tier? you tell me

So you went from mid tiers to Mahomes/Allen tier? Do you really want to be taken seriously?

I have Brock in the top 10.

If you care then here is how I have them

Elite: Mahomes, Allen, Lamar
Near Elite: Burrow
Tier 3: Stafford, Jayden Daniels
Tier 4: Herbert, Stroud
Tier 5: Mayfield, Purdy
Tier 6: Love, Hurts, Murray, Nix, Tua

I can see people putting some of those guys above Brock but that's where I have them ranked. I value a bigger track record, playoff play and intangibles.

Cousins and Rodgers I'm not ranking anymore and need to see more from Caleb Williams

PFF 2024:
1 Lamar Jackson
2 Joe Burrow
3 Josh Allen
4 Justin Herbert
5 Jayden Daniels
6 Patrick Mahomes
7 Baker Mayfield
8 Derek Carr
9 Geno Smith
10 Brock Purdy
11 Kyler Murray
12 Sam Darnold
13 C.J. Stroud
14 Russell Wilson
15 Jalen Hurts
16 Jared Goff

Originally posted by Izyniner:
What defense was he reading or which wr was he locked onto when the rams decided to leave both wr uncovered he decided a qb keeper was the better choice? Look Kap was fun with his running ability but he was not in the same class as an overall qb as Purdy. That's just the facts.

Agree, not even close. Kap had athletic ability but just didn't have it between the ears and couldn't adjust.

Brock of 2023/24 top 5
Brock of 24/25 in the 8-12 category

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
So you went from mid tiers to Mahomes/Allen tier? Do you really want to be taken seriously?

I have Brock in the top 10.

If you care then here is how I have them

Elite: Mahomes, Allen, Lamar
Near Elite: Burrow
Tier 3: Stafford, Jayden Daniels
Tier 4: Herbert, Stroud
Tier 5: Mayfield, Purdy
Tier 6: Love, Hurts, Murray, Nix, Tua

I can see people putting some of those guys above Brock but that's where I have them ranked. I value a bigger track record, playoff play and intangibles.

Cousins and Rodgers I'm not ranking anymore and need to see more from Caleb Williams

ok tier 5. we are really splitting hairs here and probably in agreement on 90%. tier 5 is a ways down the list. so we probably have more in common than not in common.

You realize I stopped making tiers after 6 right?

There are a lot of really good QBs in the league right now but Brock is heading into his 4th season. He's not a finished product and can easily climb those tiers.

Also end of the day I don't care so much if he can't replicate what Allen or Lamar are doing. I care about how he plays here. His skillset works very well with Kyle's offense. Pay him and build around him, throw a later pick at a QB with tools to see if you can develop him and see if they can beat out Brock in time.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Brock of 2023/24 top 5
Brock of 24/25 in the 8-12 category

So we'll settle on 8.5.

Originally posted by All22:
PFF 2024:
1 Lamar Jackson
2 Joe Burrow
3 Josh Allen
4 Justin Herbert
5 Jayden Daniels
6 Patrick Mahomes
7 Baker Mayfield
8 Derek Carr
9 Geno Smith
10 Brock Purdy
11 Kyler Murray
12 Sam Darnold
13 C.J. Stroud
14 Russell Wilson
15 Jalen Hurts
16 Jared Goff

haha what metric did they use? Carr above Purdy? okay.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Brock of 2023/24 top 5
Brock of 24/25 in the 8-12 category

So we'll settle on 8.5.

And so the Niners have to pay him. Now you don't have to make him the most paid player in the league but you have to give him 45-50 millions at least.