QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah I don't know if it was just because of 3 games. Josh Allen had a 80.7 grade that game…Conversely you can say that Bears game inflated his passing score as well.

if he's gonna stink every time there's some inclement weather that's a problem.

overall if you collected his statics, analytics and looked at the film…it shows Brock overall wasn't playing ar that same level as in 23. For sure there's plenty of stuff that around him that affected his play (good/bad). IMO he seemed to force stuff a lot this yr, when it wasn't needed. I thought his mechanics overall took a step back, which lead to some inaccuracies. He wasn't reading and processing the field as quickly. And the lack of a true plus arm showed itself.

hopefully he gets back to what we know he can be. Down yr all around. Once he gets paid, the expectations are only gonna be higher though.

this is all correct

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Sure wish PPF would say something like that in their rankings. Also Derek Carr hardly threw the ball that's why their rankings are flawed, they don't tell the whole story to each QB's season. Those rankings are trash.

it's all there in their rankings. You can see the amount of snaps he had. You can see his passing grade, rushing grade, or whatever else a player did. Take off the snap min and Joe Milton was QB1 this yr lol.

The whole story is right there if you look…folks see the overall rankings, but neglect all the data that's right there. Theres nothing flawed overall people gotta stop being lazy when looking at it all.

Brock as a passer this yr was right around that 14th overall ranking imo. I mean Hurts is 26th as a passer according to them this yr. Brock was higher than Goff, Tua and Stafford. Not sure why people think he should have been higher?

Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

brock has it good in SF. kyle holding the play sheet. kittle out there with deebo, trent, mason, and so forth. even with some injuries, it's a setup a lot of nfl qbs can only dream about.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

brock has it good in SF. kyle holding the play sheet. kittle out there with deebo, trent, mason, and so forth. even with some injuries, it's a setup a lot of nfl qbs can only dream about.

Why do you guys keep bringing up Brock Purdy? I'm not just talking about him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yes the KC, Buffalo and LA Rain games were the big reasons for his pass #s dropping...understandably so.

Yeah I don't know if it was just because of 3 games. Josh Allen had a 80.7 grade that game…Conversely you can say that Bears game inflated his passing score as well.

if he's gonna stink every time there's some inclement weather that's a problem.

overall if you collected his statics, analytics and looked at the film…it shows Brock overall wasn't playing ar that same level as in 23. For sure there's plenty of stuff that around him that affected his play (good/bad). IMO he seemed to force stuff a lot this yr, when it wasn't needed. I thought his mechanics overall took a step back, which lead to some inaccuracies. He wasn't reading and processing the field as quickly. And the lack of a true plus arm showed itself.

hopefully he gets back to what we know he can be. Down yr all around. Once he gets paid, the expectations are only gonna be higher though.

I'm looking at the grades man...it's not hard to do the math.

Josh Allen is a different player, playing a different defense and wasn't going into that game with a throwing shoulder injury.

I know you're well aware of the reasons why Brock struggled last year and I'm sure I don't really need to go into the advantages Josh had in that game that Brock didn't.

Josh had 0 BTT in that game. One of only two games all year so yes he had a higher grade that Brock, for various reasons but it clearly wasn't conditions that allowed Josh to play his best football either. I know you certainly didn't want people evaluating Trey off his play vs Chicago in bad weather. Let's not get disingenuous now and pretend Brock has issues that other QBs don't have either.

There are levels to it of course but Kurt warner said it well, when your game is about processing and timing/anticipation heavy, in a game where your guys can't be relied upon to keep their footing it will hit your performance much more than a guy who is a game changer and gets a lot of his big plays from broken plays/athletic ability.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

brock has it good in SF. kyle holding the play sheet. kittle out there with deebo, trent, mason, and so forth. even with some injuries, it's a setup a lot of nfl qbs can only dream about.

Why do you guys keep bringing up Brock Purdy? I'm not just talking about him.

you got me to check what thread i was in for a second

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

brock has it good in SF. kyle holding the play sheet. kittle out there with deebo, trent, mason, and so forth. even with some injuries, it's a setup a lot of nfl qbs can only dream about.

Yeah Brock had it great last year...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yes the KC, Buffalo and LA Rain games were the big reasons for his pass #s dropping...understandably so.

Yeah I don't know if it was just because of 3 games. Josh Allen had a 80.7 grade that game…Conversely you can say that Bears game inflated his passing score as well.

if he's gonna stink every time there's some inclement weather that's a problem.

overall if you collected his statics, analytics and looked at the film…it shows Brock overall wasn't playing ar that same level as in 23. For sure there's plenty of stuff that around him that affected his play (good/bad). IMO he seemed to force stuff a lot this yr, when it wasn't needed. I thought his mechanics overall took a step back, which lead to some inaccuracies. He wasn't reading and processing the field as quickly. And the lack of a true plus arm showed itself.

hopefully he gets back to what we know he can be. Down yr all around. Once he gets paid, the expectations are only gonna be higher though.

I'm looking at the grades man...it's not hard to do the math.

Josh Allen is a different player, playing a different defense and wasn't going into that game with a throwing shoulder injury.

Can you not see the switch? Only the rain was initially blamed. Good that you gave Brock's competition some credit eventually, however.

Although all players are different, we'll continue to compare them because it's the nature of competition.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

brock has it good in SF. kyle holding the play sheet. kittle out there with deebo, trent, mason, and so forth. even with some injuries, it's a setup a lot of nfl qbs can only dream about.

Yeah Brock had it great last year...

he did. compared to the average club. realize a fair number of teams are completely backwards in terms of their head coach and ownership. jets and panthers are teams with bad ownership, and they are known as dysfunctional organizations. SF is miles away better than that, and even with some injuries, the HC is elite and the O players like kittle, deebo, jennings, these are not bad players. so the narrative that it was a bad situation i don't agree. clearly not as good as 2023, but 2023 was a historic type situation, imo. 2024 was probably a solid or even good situation, by nfl all 32 team standards.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Still flawed, why, not every QB was under the same type of pressure, faced the same defender when QB's mentioned made the same pass. Was the pass all QB's mentioned made on the same set of downs, was the same pass by all QB's mentioned were in the same quarter, meaning not under two minutes? Was said passes made in garbage time? So many factors they're not mentioning that make a QB. Were all QB's O-lineman healthy at the time, were all his receivers healthy at the time. Was the pass made to a starter or was it 3rd or 4th string player taking those snaps?

I watch the games, PFF watches the numbers. They're flawed.

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brock has it good in SF. kyle holding the play sheet. kittle out there with deebo, trent, mason, and so forth. even with some injuries, it's a setup a lot of nfl qbs can only dream about.

Yeah Brock had it great last year...

he did. compared to the average club. realize a fair number of teams are completely backwards in terms of their head coach and ownership. jets and panthers are teams with bad ownership, and they are known as dysfunctional organizations. SF is miles away better than that, and even with some injuries, the HC is elite and the O players like kittle, deebo, jennings, these are not bad players. so the narrative that it was a bad situation i don't agree. clearly not as good as 2023, but 2023 was a historic type situation, imo. 2024 was probably a solid or even good situation, by nfl all 32 team standards.

The average club? Show me the average club.

Kyle is a great playcaller but you're being either disengenous or stupid acting like Brock was in a great position this year, that includes how Kyle called games.

Before all our injuries at the end of the year on the OL and with Mason and CMC being out he was one of the worst playcallers in terms of making things easy for the QB



He only slightly elevated that in the later games



Add in all the injuries and s**t we had going on this year and there is no dream scenario here.

So no it was not a great situation especially when there was no consistency with the guys around him, playcalling making things tougher than it had to be and defense and special things that kept putting the team in a bad spot overall.

Considering we're in here evaluating Brock and talking about whether he should get paid or not why are we even concerned about other teams and coaches? The evaluation should be based on what we had here, can it improve, can Brock and/or guys around him improve?

Not every team runs an offense where the center makes the protection calls and the QB doesn't get that right. Some do but you'll be hard pressed to find one that does that and has a center who played as badly as Brendel played this year.

That's also stuff PFF can't capture in their evaluations. Kyle and the guys inside the building know it.

Originally posted by genus49:
Considering we're in here evaluating Brock and talking about whether he should get paid or not why are we even concerned about other teams and coaches? The evaluation should be based on what we had here, can it improve, can Brock and/or guys around him improve?

Not every team runs an offense where the center makes the protection calls and the QB doesn't get that right.

Because if one of those "other teams" want him in 3 years, it can drastically raise his price. Just something to discuss out of sheer boredom, though, because he's on lock for now.

No,...you don't raise a guy's price exorbitantly high by yourself due to how great you [independently] feel about the future. Certainly not the way to deal with millions and millions of dollars.

Originally posted by genus49:
The average club? Show me the average club.

Kyle is a great playcaller but you're being either disengenous or stupid acting like Brock was in a great position this year, that includes how Kyle called games.

Before all our injuries at the end of the year on the OL and with Mason and CMC being out he was one of the worst playcallers in terms of making things easy for the QB



He only slightly elevated that in the later games



Add in all the injuries and s**t we had going on this year and there is no dream scenario here.

So no it was not a great situation especially when there was no consistency with the guys around him, playcalling making things tougher than it had to be and defense and special things that kept putting the team in a bad spot overall.

Considering we're in here evaluating Brock and talking about whether he should get paid or not why are we even concerned about other teams and coaches? The evaluation should be based on what we had here, can it improve, can Brock and/or guys around him improve?

Not every team runs an offense where the center makes the protection calls and the QB doesn't get that right. Some do but you'll be hard pressed to find one that does that and has a center who played as badly as Brendel played this year.

That's also stuff PFF can't capture in their evaluations. Kyle and the guys inside the building know it.

Genus….you know why they're not mentioning those facts, it hurts their narrative

Originally posted by elguapo:
Genus….you know why they're not mentioning those facts, it hurts their narrative

no narrative here, other than reality. i was big on brock, and i adjust to new data points as they come in. 2024 was a frustrating season. he was throwing lollipops and rainbows, often over the middle of the field.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Genus….you know why they're not mentioning those facts, it hurts their narrative

no narrative here, other than reality. i was big on brock, and i adjust to new data points as they come in. 2024 was a frustrating season. he was throwing lollipops and rainbows, often over the middle of the field.

what wrong with touch throws.. most of the other QBs you like can't do that