QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Kermit looked a lot like Purdy last night. Running for his life, forced to make plays that ended in picks… it's what happens when your oline takes the night off and when the referees actually call what they see for both sides. Funny how that works…

GET OUR MAN PROPERLY PROTECTED and we will be hoisting the trophies. There is no debate. We have our guy at qb. Now we need ,D line. O line, CB , LB and 1 more reliable receiver. Let's stop wasting time and energy on his contract… get it done and fill in the missing pieces.

Exactly. Didn't see many fire Reid comments this morning.

This is what happens when a great playcaller and elite QB face a great defense with OL issues but people were going all in on Shanahan and Purdy for losing vs a great Chiefs defense when he's getting pressured on the regular.

Once again - even elite QBs like Mahomes need help. Doesn't matter how good their playcalling is, if they start feeling that pressure and their guys aren't getting open on the regular they will not look their best.

Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

Originally posted by Crown:
His agent can just point to Trevor Lawrence - not sure how you get around that.

Pointing to bad deals on crummy teams isint the bargaining chip you think it is.

Jalen Hurts team had success, however. Much more useful if anything.

I dont think you'll convince any of the 49ers brass to try to follow behind or mirror the Jags.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!

uhmmm... he DOES elevate his team tho. He's a bonifide future HOFer still in his 20's.

Losing the final game - which was still historic - doesnt erase a 17-2 run after 2 consecutive titles.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

I mean.....he absolutely elevates his team. Their OL is nothing to write home about. Their running game is average at best. Their WR corps is among the worst in the NFL. Kelce is declining bad.

They won 15 games.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Crown:
His agent can just point to Trevor Lawrence - not sure how you get around that.

Pointing to bad deals on crummy teams isint the bargaining chip you think it is.

Jalen Hurts team had success, however. Much more useful if anything.

I dont think you'll convince any of the 49ers brass to try to follow behind or mirror the Jags.

Dude, yes it is. Not sure how you can continue to cover your eyes and ears and just say stuff like this. Other QB salaries/contracts is literally what drives contract negotiations.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!

uhmmm... he DOES elevate his team tho. He's a bonifide future HOFer still in his 20's.

Losing the final game - which was still historic - doesnt erase a 17-2 run after 2 consecutive titles.

Without Aiyuk and CMC and Deebo with pneumonia Brock had a poor season. 20 TDs and 12 ints isn't good enough. At the end of some of the games this season he played poorly without CMC to bail the team out on offense.

Even in the super bowl he was not good enough. 23/38 for 255 yards and a TD won't cut it. That was likely the most talented offense he will ever have. Aiyuk, CMC, JJ, Deebo and Kittle with T Williams.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!

uhmmm... he DOES elevate his team tho. He's a bonifide future HOFer still in his 20's.

Losing the final game - which was still historic - doesnt erase a 17-2 run after 2 consecutive titles.

Without Aiyuk and CMC and Deebo with pneumonia Brock had a poor season. 20 TDs and 12 ints isn't good enough. At the end of some of the games this season he played poorly without CMC to bail the team out on offense.

Even in the super bowl he was not good enough. 23/38 for 255 yards and a TD won't cut it. That was likely the most talented offense he will ever have. Aiyuk, CMC, JJ, Deebo and Kittle with T Williams.

Aiyuk and Deebo weren't good enough in SB. Got locked up. Kittle couldn't lift arm and left game. CMC sucked, let's be honest. JJ was the only one to step up. Trent sucked too btw, so our line was awful. Brock was on par with Mahomes through regulation and the game was tied. So he was good enough, cmc just had to be like Barkley and not fumble the ball. He doesn't fumble and we have our 6th

Brock was also top 10 this year even with the TD int ratio and s**tty team. Keep hating though

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Crown:
His agent can just point to Trevor Lawrence - not sure how you get around that.

Pointing to bad deals on crummy teams isint the bargaining chip you think it is.

Jalen Hurts team had success, however. Much more useful if anything.

I dont think you'll convince any of the 49ers brass to try to follow behind or mirror the Jags.

Dude, yes it is. Not sure how you can continue to cover your eyes and ears and just say stuff like this. Other QB salaries/contracts is literally what drives contract negotiations.

If he gets well over $200M GTD in the next few weeks then revisit this hairbrain concept for a guy that's locked in 3 more yrs either way. Bad deals other teams have made are not needle-movers for a guy you dont fully believe in as your future. Since it doesnt logically connect, you'll never counter with why it does, either. It just "sounds good" to you.

But it doesnt move the needle any which way right now. BTW,...do you know what a continued investment is?

You guys keep pointing to 1st Rd picks teams are extending that arent fully proven without seeming to get this concept.

The Jags invested the #1 Overall pick in Lawrence already. Has anyone ever finished the payments or made upgrades on a car that they considered a mistake-buy? Of course they have. They don't treat it the same way they treat a hand-me-down that they feel the exact same way about, quality-wise.

That's simply attempting to continue what you obviously felt was a great investment. As a team, you cant lie at the table and say you didnt.

With Purdy, it's the exact opposite. If he gets more than that GTD, you'd better believe it's due to faith they have in the future. Yell "hey....look at Lawrence and Love and other former 1st Rd picks!" doesn't amount to very much for multiple reasons as stated.

Dirty Purdy is my quarterback.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!

uhmmm... he DOES elevate his team tho. He's a bonifide future HOFer still in his 20's.

Losing the final game - which was still historic - doesnt erase a 17-2 run after 2 consecutive titles.

I was only talking about that one game, the same s**t people do to Shanahan and Purdy. Take one game and act like it's their career.

You would think Mahomes would look a lot better than the crap he showed the other night.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

I mean.....he absolutely elevates his team. Their OL is nothing to write home about. Their running game is average at best. Their WR corps is among the worst in the NFL. Kelce is declining bad.

They won 15 games.

Yep, without Mahomes they would be picking top 10.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
A good player who plays above his ability. Because his processing is so good. Accuracy is pretty good. Athleticism is a little underrated. Running around he is pretty good. That said he's not Mahomes, Hurts, Daniels athletically. Not Josh Allen on size and strength. Or Lamar on speed. He should get more than his rookie deal. But how much? You have to be a little careful too. He has injury history plus is a smaller guy. He's a good but maybe not great athlete. There are people with a stronger arm. Or those who can run faster. Those aren't always the most important things at QB. Probably some kind of deal. But be careful and protect the team too. You can't get too carried away and gut the team IMO. I like him and have supported him. But he's not the most elite athlete at that position either.

Fair points but you can't lowball him.
a 3rd of the league would give him 50m+
If you let him walk you don't have a back up plan.
How many QBs available can win playoff games? very few if any.
You would have to draft whatever QBs are left at 11 - put them behind a below avg line and hope you could make a playoff run? I don't think so.

You can't low ball him too much and he deserves more money. But you have to be a little careful. I have liked and supported him as much as anybody. But there are some fair points made in the media that he isn't the super elite athlete. He isn't bad either. A little underrated even. Just not one of the super elite talents. Still they miss on him too. He does it in other ways. Like the processing. This year would leave me a little cautious though. The number of injuries was extraordinary. But if they pay him $50, $55, $60 million we will lose a lot of guys too. So comparable to 2024 maybe? Which wasn't as good statistically or record wise. It was a massive number of injuries and key ones too. So I'm not sure you can even repeat it. Even if you sign him to a big deal. Just need some caution here too. I feel like he's good. But he's not Mahomes either who can carry a team and you can lose personnel and just plug new guys in. A quality roster is important to him I think.

The reality is this offense doesn't require a super elite athlete to execute it successfully. It does require someone with a great understanding of what the offense is trying to do and ability to figure out what the defense is able to do.

We know Brock's limitations but they're not limitations that would bring OUR offense to a standstill. Now with Jimmy teams understood what they had to do. Flood the middle of the field and stop the run. You do that and most likely you were creating a tough game for Jimmy unless the YAC kings we had were going to make magic happen.

Brock can still make plays to the outside, he's able to run with the ball better than Jimmy could and while his arm isn't elite and he can't make those jaw dropping plays the top guys can make he's aggressive enough that you can't simply sit on short stuff and call it a day.

I always reference a comment from Brock via Breece Hall where he said Brock told him basically "I know I'm not the most talented, I don't have the biggest arm" and then "As long as I have the pieces around me, I'm going to be successful"

That to me tells me two things
1. Brock understands who he is and his limitations and plays accordingly
2. He understands how important it is to have a good team around him

I don't believe that he is going to demand a contract that prevents him from having a good team around him.

For anyone who cares...around the 35 minute mark in this video

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

I mean.....he absolutely elevates his team. Their OL is nothing to write home about. Their running game is average at best. Their WR corps is among the worst in the NFL. Kelce is declining bad.

They won 15 games.

Yep, without Mahomes they would be picking top 10.

And without the refs they'd be 0-4 in Super Bowls.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

I mean.....he absolutely elevates his team. Their OL is nothing to write home about. Their running game is average at best. Their WR corps is among the worst in the NFL. Kelce is declining bad.

They won 15 games.

Aside from our game against them, did you watch them in the regular season at all this year? They were probably the luckiest, most over-achieving 15-game winner in NFL history.

Mahomes did not win 15 games. Chris Jones, Butker, and their opponents being consistently stupid won them 15 games. Mahomes didn't even have a Pro Bowl year.

I get it. "Herp derp good teams WIN they find ways to WIN!! THEY'RE SO AMAZING!!" I could understand that argument… if they had won maybe 2-3 games on literally the last play and won most other games by 8-10 points. They won EIGHT games on literally the last play this year—And it always took their opponent being a total moron at the end to do it. The Raiders literally fumbled a basic snap ffs. How does that make Mahomes so great?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

I mean.....he absolutely elevates his team. Their OL is nothing to write home about. Their running game is average at best. Their WR corps is among the worst in the NFL. Kelce is declining bad.

They won 15 games.

Aside from our game against them, did you watch them in the regular season at all this year? They were probably the luckiest, most over-achieving 15-game winner in NFL history.

Mahomes did not win 15 games. Chris Jones, Butker, and their opponents being consistently stupid won them 15 games. Mahomes didn't even have a Pro Bowl year.

People consistently overlooking his top 10 defense the past two seasons.