QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:
I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

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So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

I agree and when Brock took our team to the SB he 100% did that. One of the most efficient QB seasons in NFL history behind a very mediocre if that OL. A lot of love went to his skill players but Jalen Hurts had a very comparable situation this past season with a MUCH better OL and yet he didn't show that level of QB play that Brock did.

I've never seen a QB get dogged so much for he did and so much was simply written off cuz of scheme and skill players.

Kurt Warner got this to a certain extent but nothing like Brock. Not surprisingly Kurt has talked in length about how good Purdy has played and how there are different ways to play the position these days and there are elite QB traits that aren't based on arm strength or speed of the QB.

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree and when Brock took our team to the SB he 100% did that. One of the most efficient QB seasons in NFL history behind a very mediocre if that OL. A lot of love went to his skill players but Jalen Hurts had a very comparable situation this past season with a MUCH better OL and yet he didn't show that level of QB play that Brock did.

I've never seen a QB get dogged so much for he did and so much was simply written off cuz of scheme and skill players.

Kurt Warner got this to a certain extent but nothing like Brock. Not surprisingly Kurt has talked in length about how good Purdy has played and how there are different ways to play the position these days and there are elite QB traits that aren't based on arm strength or speed of the QB.

Kurt Warner didn't have to deal with social media and podcasts.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
It's projected at $41m for 2026 and $51m for 2027, so with his $5m this year, he'd get $97m over three years, or $32.3m/yr average for the three years. How can that look better to him than signing a long term contract with lots of guaranteed money and cash up front? The team has the leverage, and he has to sign. No worries, mate.

Yeah but the way that impacts the salary cap, the franchise tag, is brutal.

if we sign an extension with Brock, we can make his cap hit in the 15-25M range for the first 3-4 years (look at Jalen hurts).

if we do the franchise tag, the entire tag price is an entire chunk of the salary cap. Much much much Much less cap flexibility. So his cap hit in 2026 and 2027 would be $41M and 51M. Making him one of the highest cap hits in the league.

for context, hurts signed a $50M+ extension (like Brocks) deal but the first four years cap hits are
2023: $6.1M
2024: $13.4M
2025: $21.8M
2026: $31.9M

so using the franchise tag would be very dumb, lol it's not really a saving at all. It hurts the next few years. We would have to pay Brock in one year (for one year of play) what hurts cap hit was for four years. Which his cap number is a big reason they've maintained a great team around him.

Ive been saying for a long time now - I hope he does a structure like what hurts did (triple option structure).

I think you missed the point I made that he has to sign. If he doesn't want to stay here and play for Kyle, he doesn't have to do anything. I'll argue he has to do that too, because he can't possibly know he'd do as well elsewhere. If he really doesn't sign, we play him for $5.1m, and then have current knowledge to decide whether to again trying to sign him, franchise him, or trade him. Still don't see how that benefits him long term, he's not stupid or vindictive, and I just don't see it happening.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I don't care anymore how much they pay Purdy. It's going to be a lot. That much we know. The 49ers have all the leverage in this thing. Brock is under contract so he has to play this season. They could put the franchise tag on him if they want to in 2026 and 2027. If he sits out he only hurts his own value on next season's free agent market. The better he performs the more his value will be whether it's with SF or some other team.

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Franchise tag? How much is that? My guess higher than 50 mil

It's projected at $41m for 2026 and $51m for 2027, so with his $5m this year, he'd get $97m over three years, or $32.3m/yr average for the three years. How can that look better to him than signing a long term contract with lots of guaranteed money and cash up front? The team has the leverage, and he has to sign. No worries, mate.

I used the same logic with Deebo and then BA...and here we are.

Huh? We didn't franchise either of them. I'm on record as saying when someone tells you they don't want to be here, to turn them around with money is never a lasting nor productive solution. We did that both times, their play was subpar both times, Deebo's now gone, and I think we're shopping Aiyuk already.

Brock has Never said he doesn't want to be here.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:

I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

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So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree and when Brock took our team to the SB he 100% did that. One of the most efficient QB seasons in NFL history behind a very mediocre if that OL. A lot of love went to his skill players but Jalen Hurts had a very comparable situation this past season with a MUCH better OL and yet he didn't show that level of QB play that Brock did.

I've never seen a QB get dogged so much for he did and so much was simply written off cuz of scheme and skill players.

Kurt Warner got this to a certain extent but nothing like Brock. Not surprisingly Kurt has talked in length about how good Purdy has played and how there are different ways to play the position these days and there are elite QB traits that aren't based on arm strength or speed of the QB.

Kurt Warner didn't have to deal with social media and podcasts.

Touché.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree and when Brock took our team to the SB he 100% did that. One of the most efficient QB seasons in NFL history behind a very mediocre if that OL. A lot of love went to his skill players but Jalen Hurts had a very comparable situation this past season with a MUCH better OL and yet he didn't show that level of QB play that Brock did.

I've never seen a QB get dogged so much for he did and so much was simply written off cuz of scheme and skill players.

Kurt Warner got this to a certain extent but nothing like Brock. Not surprisingly Kurt has talked in length about how good Purdy has played and how there are different ways to play the position these days and there are elite QB traits that aren't based on arm strength or speed of the QB.

Kurt Warner didn't have to deal with social media and podcasts.

Warner also got the benefit of his defense stopping the opponent at the end of a close game to win a SB. I guarantee if the Titans tie the score and go on to win the game in OT Warner's undrafted status and overnight success is questioned WAY more by the media the next season. Even with the success he had he got cut by the Rams after the 2003 season, ultimately to the Cardinals' advantage.

Originally posted by random49er:
What would be dumb is not recognizing the value of having extra time and reps to truly assess what a player is worth before overdoing a contract you may regret.

That time may not be valuable to you,...but that extra "prove it" year could be enormously evaluable to the team.

Brock has started 36 regular season games (played in some part of 40 games) and started 6 playoff games.

Reg. Season he's a 67.5% passer, and thrown for 9,518 yards, 64 TDs, 27 INTs. His QB rating is 104.9. He's ran for 8 TDs as well.

In those 6 playoff games (including the Eagles game he barely played in) he's a 62.6% passer, and thrown for 1343 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT. His QB rating is 96.2. He's ran for 1 TD.

That's 42 games started in 3 years. We've seen plenty to know what he's likely to be.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I don't care anymore how much they pay Purdy. It's going to be a lot. That much we know. The 49ers have all the leverage in this thing. Brock is under contract so he has to play this season. They could put the franchise tag on him if they want to in 2026 and 2027. If he sits out he only hurts his own value on next season's free agent market. The better he performs the more his value will be whether it's with SF or some other team.

Franchise tag? How much is that? My guess higher than 50 mil

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It's projected at $41m for 2026 and $51m for 2027, so with his $5m this year, he'd get $97m over three years, or $32.3m/yr average for the three years. How can that look better to him than signing a long term contract with lots of guaranteed money and cash up front? The team has the leverage, and he has to sign. No worries, mate.

I used the same logic with Deebo and then BA...and here we are.

Huh? We didn't franchise either of them. I'm on record as saying when someone tells you they don't want to be here, to turn them around with money is never a lasting nor productive solution. We did that both times, their play was subpar both times, Deebo's now gone, and I think we're shopping Aiyuk already.

Brock has Never said he doesn't want to be here.

In all cases, the leverage was the same. Neither asked for a trade until they were not getting the money they wanted. The team caved both times while having "leverage". Why would I anticipate that this time would be different other than I don't see Brock pulling that move...hold out possibly, but not asking for a trade.

In a way Brock reminds me of Warner and Garcia. Smart scrappy players willing to take chances and hits but not really having the big arm.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
In a way Brock reminds me of Warner and Garcia. Smart scIrappy players willing to take chances and hits but not really having the big arm.

Very good call.

Sign him. Get this deal done.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:
I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

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Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

And plenty of others before them. (Getting to a SB that is)

Sure.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:
What would be dumb is not recognizing the value of having extra time and reps to truly assess what a player is worth before overdoing a contract you may regret.

That time may not be valuable to you,...but that extra "prove it" year could be enormously evaluable to the team.

Brock has started 36 regular season games (played in some part of 40 games) and started 6 playoff games.

Reg. Season he's a 67.5% passer, and thrown for 9,518 yards, 64 TDs, 27 INTs. His QB rating is 104.9. He's ran for 8 TDs as well.

In those 6 playoff games (including the Eagles game he barely played in) he's a 62.6% passer, and thrown for 1343 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT. His QB rating is 96.2. He's ran for 1 TD.

That's 42 games started in 3 years. We've seen plenty to know what he's likely to be.

There was a bit of a downturn last year. If you're adding all of those games in,...then you're adding to the argument of "hey...let's wait it out a bit before we throw too much GTD money out there."

Stats are cool and everything, but they aren't going to get him a Super-contract. There was some drop off and he's not as "proven" to be a top QB as you want to believe he currently is.

So a good amount of games showing he can return closer to his 2023 form is something worth waiting for. There's literal value in playing that card.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
In a way Brock reminds me of Warner and Garcia. Smart scrappy players willing to take chances and hits but not really having the big arm.

Hmmmm. Well let's hope he gets to the level of 2-Time NFL MVP and reminds you of him even more.