QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
He's such a douchebag lol

C'mon dave isn't bad. When did people started hating on him?? He's right more often than not on his takes

It's his messaging. The "I'm never wrong because I know what I'm talking about and you don't" is not a good look.

He's simply the opposite of Grant these days.

Originally posted by jcs:
He wouldn't make close to that figure in f/a. His value is tied to Kyle, our system and this team. If he threatened to walk, let him. He's not Josh Allen who would find success on any offensive system he needs to be here.

Lol wild that some people believe that.

Brock would most likely break, or get very close to it, the contract record in FA (at least Daks), like any good qb would if they hit the free market.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:
I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

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Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

And plenty of others before them. (Getting to a SB that is)

Sure.

I was agreeing with you about those two proving themselves not by getting to a Superbowl but by playing at a high level.

The playing at a high level thing was a general statement.

Hurts and Purdy both got to Super Bowls. If you think both play at a high level, that is your own individual opinion.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol wild that some people believe that.

Brock would most likely break, or get very close to it, the contract record in FA (at least Daks), like any good qb would if they hit the free market.

"Good" is an extremely relative term that makes this whole statement crash.

Didn't Sam Darnold hit the free market? He didn't get anywhere near any records.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol wild that some people believe that.

Brock would most likely break, or get very close to it, the contract record in FA (at least Daks), like any good qb would if they hit the free market.

"Good" is an extremely relative term that makes this whole statement crash.

Didn't Sam Darnold hit the free market? He didn't get anywhere near any records.

No team is gonna value Brock like we will. He ain't a plug and play otherworldly talent type guy. He's a good QB and would be paid as such but as a free agent I just don't see a team paying him more than $53M per if that. To us he's worth the world but as a free agent. No. He is a top ten QB in my eyes but not someone that as a free agent would reset the QB market

Homerville think they got Montana

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by jcs:
He wouldn't make close to that figure in f/a. His value is tied to Kyle, our system and this team. If he threatened to walk, let him. He's not Josh Allen who would find success on any offensive system he needs to be here.

Lol wild that some people believe that.

Brock would most likely break, or get very close to it, the contract record in FA (at least Daks), like any good qb would if they hit the free market.

20 tds, 12 picks in a 6-11 season in which he didn't have a stockpile of offensive weapons and had to carry the team. He's not breaking the contract record. Not with his limited arm, size and injury history. He's a great QB but outside of Kyle's system and play calling he's probably only going be be good or above avg but certainly not top 5.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:

I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

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And plenty of others before them. (Getting to a SB that is)

Sure.

I was agreeing with you about those two proving themselves not by getting to a Superbowl but by playing at a high level.

The playing at a high level thing was a general statement.

Hurts and Purdy both got to Super Bowls. If you think both play at a high level, that is your own individual opinion.

I do, how about you?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:
What would be dumb is not recognizing the value of having extra time and reps to truly assess what a player is worth before overdoing a contract you may regret.

That time may not be valuable to you,...but that extra "prove it" year could be enormously evaluable to the team.

Brock has started 36 regular season games (played in some part of 40 games) and started 6 playoff games.

Reg. Season he's a 67.5% passer, and thrown for 9,518 yards, 64 TDs, 27 INTs. His QB rating is 104.9. He's ran for 8 TDs as well.

In those 6 playoff games (including the Eagles game he barely played in) he's a 62.6% passer, and thrown for 1343 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT. His QB rating is 96.2. He's ran for 1 TD.

That's 42 games started in 3 years. We've seen plenty to know what he's likely to be.

There was a bit of a downturn last year. If you're adding all of those games in,...then you're adding to the argument of "hey...let's wait it out a bit before we throw too much GTD money out there."

Stats are cool and everything, but they aren't going to get him a Super-contract. There was some drop off and he's not as "proven" to be a top QB as you want to believe he currently is.

So a good amount of games showing he can return closer to his 2023 form is something worth waiting for. There's literal value in playing that card.

Yeah, that's not how this business works. That downturn was way too minimal to panic over. There's almost no value in playing that card. You either extend him with a contract worthy of his career experience, or you trade him to a team that will. Anything else is just spinning in circles and wasting time.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
No team is gonna value Brock like we will. He ain't a plug and play otherworldly talent type guy. He's a good QB and would be paid as such but as a free agent I just don't see a team paying him more than $53M per if that. To us he's worth the world but as a free agent. No. He is a top ten QB in my eyes but not someone that as a free agent would reset the QB market

I think this might be true 7-8 years ago before Kyle and McVay disciples were taking over the league. Now that offense is everywhere. Anyone who used to work with one of them would love to get Brock, you could also see a team deliberately promote a HC or OC from the tree and then go and pay him.

We know what the media thinks about Brock, but listen to opposing HC's pressers and it seems the league is much higher. Granted last year was not 2023, but he broke nearly all metrics that year. Even if you say it was the system and the weapons, what's to stop an owner or GM trying to recreate that?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:
I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

And plenty of others before them. (Getting to a SB that is)

Sure.

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I was agreeing with you about those two proving themselves not by getting to a Superbowl but by playing at a high level.

The playing at a high level thing was a general statement.

Hurts and Purdy both got to Super Bowls. If you think both play at a high level, that is your own individual opinion.

I do, how about you?

No.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:
What would be dumb is not recognizing the value of having extra time and reps to truly assess what a player is worth before overdoing a contract you may regret.

That time may not be valuable to you,...but that extra "prove it" year could be enormously evaluable to the team.

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Brock has started 36 regular season games (played in some part of 40 games) and started 6 playoff games.

Reg. Season he's a 67.5% passer, and thrown for 9,518 yards, 64 TDs, 27 INTs. His QB rating is 104.9. He's ran for 8 TDs as well.

In those 6 playoff games (including the Eagles game he barely played in) he's a 62.6% passer, and thrown for 1343 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT. His QB rating is 96.2. He's ran for 1 TD.

That's 42 games started in 3 years. We've seen plenty to know what he's likely to be.

There was a bit of a downturn last year. If you're adding all of those games in,...then you're adding to the argument of "hey...let's wait it out a bit before we throw too much GTD money out there."

Stats are cool and everything, but they aren't going to get him a Super-contract. There was some drop off and he's not as "proven" to be a top QB as you want to believe he currently is.

So a good amount of games showing he can return closer to his 2023 form is something worth waiting for. There's literal value in playing that card.

Yeah, that's not how this business works. That downturn was way too minimal to panic over. There's almost no value in playing that card. You either extend him with a contract worthy of his career experience, or you trade him to a team that will. Anything else is just spinning in circles and wasting time.

He's under contract and locked in for 3 yrs if we want.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:
I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

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And plenty of others before them. (Getting to a SB that is)

Sure.

I was agreeing with you about those two proving themselves not by getting to a Superbowl but by playing at a high level.

The playing at a high level thing was a general statement.

Hurts and Purdy both got to Super Bowls. If you think both play at a high level, that is your own individual opinion.

Hurts is a top 20 QB who was playing with an elite defense. I'd compare his play to a Trent dilfer. Purdy actually had to drag that corpse of a team to the Super Bowl, especially in the NFCC. Shanahan f**ked around with the packers and lions and purd pulled them through.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Homerville think they got Montana

Haterville always speaking outta their asses.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol wild that some people believe that.

Brock would most likely break, or get very close to it, the contract record in FA (at least Daks), like any good qb would if they hit the free market.

"Good" is an extremely relative term that makes this whole statement crash.

Didn't Sam Darnold hit the free market? He didn't get anywhere near any records.

Darnold is not a good QB. He's been living off his draft status for like 7 years now. 5th team in 8 years doesn't scream "good QB"

You seem to pick and choose when you want to concentrate on the latest output by players. Bringing up Jalen Hurts in the SB and now overlooking Darnold's last two games when the pressure of the moment, as well as the by the defense got to him.

The Dak deal is broken because of Dallas, not anything he really did. They put no running game out there and turned their offense into a one dimensional pass heavy attack with Prescott leading it...leading it nowhere. He had them over a barrel and for some crazy reason Jerry Jones decided it was worth giving up the contract.