QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Homerville think they got Montana

So nice of you to speak for other people.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:
What would be dumb is not recognizing the value of having extra time and reps to truly assess what a player is worth before overdoing a contract you may regret.

That time may not be valuable to you,...but that extra "prove it" year could be enormously evaluable to the team.

Brock has started 36 regular season games (played in some part of 40 games) and started 6 playoff games.

Reg. Season he's a 67.5% passer, and thrown for 9,518 yards, 64 TDs, 27 INTs. His QB rating is 104.9. He's ran for 8 TDs as well.

In those 6 playoff games (including the Eagles game he barely played in) he's a 62.6% passer, and thrown for 1343 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT. His QB rating is 96.2. He's ran for 1 TD.

That's 42 games started in 3 years. We've seen plenty to know what he's likely to be.

There was a bit of a downturn last year. If you're adding all of those games in,...then you're adding to the argument of "hey...let's wait it out a bit before we throw too much GTD money out there."

Stats are cool and everything, but they aren't going to get him a Super-contract. There was some drop off and he's not as "proven" to be a top QB as you want to believe he currently is.

So a good amount of games showing he can return closer to his 2023 form is something worth waiting for. There's literal value in playing that card.

Yeah, that's not how this business works. That downturn was way too minimal to panic over. There's almost no value in playing that card. You either extend him with a contract worthy of his career experience, or you trade him to a team that will. Anything else is just spinning in circles and wasting time.

He's under contract and locked in for 3 yrs if we want.

Realisticallly no one uses that option because it's wasteful and contentious.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:

I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

And plenty of others before them. (Getting to a SB that is)

Sure.

I was agreeing with you about those two proving themselves not by getting to a Superbowl but by playing at a high level.

The playing at a high level thing was a general statement.

Hurts and Purdy both got to Super Bowls. If you think both play at a high level, that is your own individual opinion.

I do, how about you?

No.

You don't think Purdy has played at a high level?

2023 he was playing elite. He was pretty good last year too IMO.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You don't think Purdy has played at a high level?

2023 he was playing elite. He was pretty good last year too IMO.

Way too many jimmy G throws last year (ie baffling throws right to defenders)

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You don't think Purdy has played at a high level?

2023 he was playing elite. He was pretty good last year too IMO.

Way too many jimmy G throws last year (ie baffling throws right to defenders)

I don't remember that many but maybe i have selective memory, feel free to remind me which ones. The ones that I recall him making was the ball getting away from him or being tipped. Jimmy was straight up not seeing the field well most of the time or really not understanding his arm limitations.

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Hurts is a top 20 QB who was playing with an elite defense. I'd compare his play to a Trent dilfer. Purdy actually had to drag that corpse of a team to the Super Bowl, especially in the NFCC. Shanahan f**ked around with the packers and lions and purd pulled them through.

Hurts was a useless quarterback when Bosa was telling us he'd drop his eyes to the pass rush every play. A year with Kellen Moore really did make him more than serviceable.

Well WR's getting 40 million a year 112 million guaranteed and a CB get around 30 million a year 89 million guaranteed. Looks like Brocks gonna be around 55 million or more a year.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Hurts is a top 20 QB who was playing with an elite defense. I'd compare his play to a Trent dilfer. Purdy actually had to drag that corpse of a team to the Super Bowl, especially in the NFCC. Shanahan f**ked around with the packers and lions and purd pulled them through.

Hurts was a useless quarterback when Bosa was telling us he'd drop his eyes to the pass rush every play. A year with Kellen Moore really did make him more than serviceable.

Did it? The guy topped 250 passing yards 4 times in the 19 games he played in last year.

In the playoffs he never hit 250 yards with the Washington game coming the closest at 246 passing yards.

I think we pretty much saw the same Jalen Hurts but Moore did a better job of running the offense and putting Jalen in situations where his strengths can be put on display and his weaknesses minimized.

He's a really good QB if you give him clear 1 read looks or he's got 1 on 1's down the field. Having Saquon running like a maniac also helps keep the passing options easier. He's just as limited of a QB as Brock, his limitations are just different.

Now Jalen won the SB so nobody cares. Just how it goes.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Hurts is a top 20 QB who was playing with an elite defense. I'd compare his play to a Trent dilfer. Purdy actually had to drag that corpse of a team to the Super Bowl, especially in the NFCC. Shanahan f**ked around with the packers and lions and purd pulled them through.

Hurts was a useless quarterback when Bosa was telling us he'd drop his eyes to the pass rush every play. A year with Kellen Moore really did make him more than serviceable.

Did it? The guy topped 250 passing yards 4 times in the 19 games he played in last year.

In the playoffs he never hit 250 yards with the Washington game coming the closest at 246 passing yards.

I think we pretty much saw the same Jalen Hurts but Moore did a better job of running the offense and putting Jalen in situations where his strengths can be put on display and his weaknesses minimized.

He's a really good QB if you give him clear 1 read looks or he's got 1 on 1's down the field. Having Saquon running like a maniac also helps keep the passing options easier. He's just as limited of a QB as Brock, his limitations are just different.

Now Jalen won the SB so nobody cares. Just how it goes.

Most NFL QBs have limitations of some kind. The ones that don't are true franchise QBs. I feel that there are usually only between 3 and 5 real franchise QBs in the league at any given time. Even the franchise guys aren't always perfect. Some like Brady lack mobility. Some don't have a rocket arm. What they all have is the ability to lift their team and find a way to win when everything isn't going well.

Originally posted by bud49:
Well WR's getting 40 million a year 112 million guaranteed and a CB get around 30 million a year 89 million guaranteed. Looks like Brocks gonna be around 55 million or more a year.

Brock could easily get $55M+ if he wanted to push the envelope. Now would the team pay? Who knows. He could play out his contract and force a trade. Someone would pay him dak money IMO.

let's hope it's a win/win agreement. Give the team flexibility for the next couple years and Brock securing generational wealth.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by bud49:
Well WR's getting 40 million a year 112 million guaranteed and a CB get around 30 million a year 89 million guaranteed. Looks like Brocks gonna be around 55 million or more a year.

Brock could easily get $55M+ if he wanted to push the envelope. Now would the team pay? Who knows. He could play out his contract and force a trade. Someone would pay him dak money IMO.

let's hope it's a win/win agreement. Give the team flexibility for the next couple years and Brock securing generational wealth.

Those examples are the Mahomes/Josh Allen types of their respective positions. You can't randomly say this guy from this non-QB group got this much so Brock should get...

Brock is not in the Mahomes/Allen discussion category for players all positions. Meaning those other examples posted are very top tier.

And I am not Brock hater. Quite the opposite but we paid a certain QB here the tops in the league once. He completely regressed. Have we not learned our lesson? How can a rookie QB picked last in the draft who sat almost an entire year(I don't count that year) had a really really nice year and then an average to below average year so TWO YEARS TWO YEARS be paid $60m a year. BS. This has Jimmy G written all over it. I hope Lynch plays hardball. It seems with this purging year they are finally getting it.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by bud49:
Well WR's getting 40 million a year 112 million guaranteed and a CB get around 30 million a year 89 million guaranteed. Looks like Brocks gonna be around 55 million or more a year.

Brock could easily get $55M+ if he wanted to push the envelope. Now would the team pay? Who knows. He could play out his contract and force a trade. Someone would pay him dak money IMO.

let's hope it's a win/win agreement. Give the team flexibility for the next couple years and Brock securing generational wealth.

Those examples are the Mahomes/Josh Allen types of their respective positions. You can't randomly say this guy from this non-QB group got this much so Brock should get...

Brock is not in the Mahomes/Allen discussion category for players all positions. Meaning those other examples posted are very top tier.

And I am not Brock hater. Quite the opposite but we paid a certain QB here the tops in the league once. He completely regressed. Have we not learned our lesson? How can a rookie QB picked last in the draft who sat almost an entire year(I don't count that year) had a really really nice year and then an average to below average year so TWO YEARS TWO YEARS be paid $60m a year. BS. This has Jimmy G written all over it. I hope Lynch plays hardball. It seems with this purging year they are finally getting it.

Free agents in general get over paid. It isn't really a debate on if it's worth it or not. If you want an above average player in free agency, you're over paying. It's the reality of nfl free agency. Happens with every position.

good QBs, especially young, rarely hit the open market. Kirk cousins got a fully guaranteed deal - which was top of the market at the time. He was getting paid what Rodgers was getting in 2018

to think anything else would happen is non sense.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by bud49:
Well WR's getting 40 million a year 112 million guaranteed and a CB get around 30 million a year 89 million guaranteed. Looks like Brocks gonna be around 55 million or more a year.

Brock could easily get $55M+ if he wanted to push the envelope. Now would the team pay? Who knows. He could play out his contract and force a trade. Someone would pay him dak money IMO.

let's hope it's a win/win agreement. Give the team flexibility for the next couple years and Brock securing generational wealth.

Those examples are the Mahomes/Josh Allen types of their respective positions. You can't randomly say this guy from this non-QB group got this much so Brock should get...

Brock is not in the Mahomes/Allen discussion category for players all positions. Meaning those other examples posted are very top tier.

And I am not Brock hater. Quite the opposite but we paid a certain QB here the tops in the league once. He completely regressed. Have we not learned our lesson? How can a rookie QB picked last in the draft who sat almost an entire year(I don't count that year) had a really really nice year and then an average to below average year so TWO YEARS TWO YEARS be paid $60m a year. BS. This has Jimmy G written all over it. I hope Lynch plays hardball. It seems with this purging year they are finally getting it.

Yep. Our lesson is don't give the big bucks betting on someone learning something. Our certain quarterback played his best when he just played loose and wasn't expected to run an offense. He never did get better at that. Our current quarterback already has the headwork down and is a sure thing. And he certainly wasn't "below average", even with limited targets available all year. You don't get worse with headwork.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by bud49:
Well WR's getting 40 million a year 112 million guaranteed and a CB get around 30 million a year 89 million guaranteed. Looks like Brocks gonna be around 55 million or more a year.

Brock could easily get $55M+ if he wanted to push the envelope. Now would the team pay? Who knows. He could play out his contract and force a trade. Someone would pay him dak money IMO.

let's hope it's a win/win agreement. Give the team flexibility for the next couple years and Brock securing generational wealth.

Those examples are the Mahomes/Josh Allen types of their respective positions. You can't randomly say this guy from this non-QB group got this much so Brock should get...

Brock is not in the Mahomes/Allen discussion category for players all positions. Meaning those other examples posted are very top tier.

And I am not Brock hater. Quite the opposite but we paid a certain QB here the tops in the league once. He completely regressed. Have we not learned our lesson? How can a rookie QB picked last in the draft who sat almost an entire year(I don't count that year) had a really really nice year and then an average to below average year so TWO YEARS TWO YEARS be paid $60m a year. BS. This has Jimmy G written all over it. I hope Lynch plays hardball. It seems with this purging year they are finally getting it.

Yep. Our lesson is don't give the big bucks betting on someone learning something. Our certain quarterback played his best when he just played loose and wasn't expected to run an offense. He never did get better at that. Our current quarterback already has the headwork down and is a sure thing. And he certainly wasn't "below average", even with limited targets available all year. You don't get worse with headwork.

I respect the rebuttal but it's time on the clock that cannot be disputed. I hope he turns out to be the greatest QB we have ever had and we win a SB or two or more!. I really do love Brock in most regards. My only caution to the wind is someone with very little experience still, despite fan projections, still needs another year or two to form an honest opinion. He should not be walking from a couple of years to near highest paid in league. What logic is that? Fans will say next man up, that's what they do, that is the golden rule, I hope John flushes that opinion quickly.

And go Brock- glad you are here. Let's get busy (again)

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:
I dont think past accomplishments are going to move the needle. I think how good you are as a player (your level of play right now) and future projections of how good you're likely to be in the immediate future is what's going to get you alot of this GTD money.

How do you get a future projection without using past accomplishments as your base?

So your projection for how Jalen Hurts will play in the future is mainly based on him winning the SB MVP? What about other QBs that have won it or got there in recent memory.... Nick Foles (MVP), Flacco (MVP), Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, the list goes on. You really doing this?

You go with past "team accomplishments",....I'll go along with the NFL brass,...which is what I actually see regarding how they're playing on the field, the talent I can see or gauge, et. al.

Jalen Hurts latest isn't all about winning the SB. How he played last year overall and how he plays in general when certain situations arise are all part of those evaluations.

Teams don't just pay for SB wins. They're big parts of negotiations of course but teams watch tape, they understand how their own guy is used, how they can hide his deficiencies and how he may look if things aren't perfect around him.

But past accomplishments are certainly a part of the evaluation. If you show you're able to play at a high level and don't completely fall apart when few things are going right that's a good indicator of future success.

Getting to a SB doesn't show you're capable of playing at a high level. Playing at a high level shows you're capable of playing at a high level.

Yep, and we have seen it from Hurts and Purdy.

And plenty of others before them. (Getting to a SB that is)

Sure.

I was agreeing with you about those two proving themselves not by getting to a Superbowl but by playing at a high level.

The playing at a high level thing was a general statement.

Hurts and Purdy both got to Super Bowls. If you think both play at a high level, that is your own individual opinion.

Hurts is a top 20 QB who was playing with an elite defense. I'd compare his play to a Trent dilfer. Purdy actually had to drag that corpse of a team to the Super Bowl, especially in the NFCC. Shanahan f**ked around with the packers and lions and purd pulled them through.

Corps of a team?

He had all pro kittle, cmc, juice, a healthy trent and deebo, jennings vs GB and a fairly healthy and loaded D. He had all pro kittle, cmc, juic3 and aiyuk with a healthy trent and deebo, jennings as well as a loaded D against the lions. Not sure we saw the same games