QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Who said anything about routine?? I already said there are plenty of QBs in the NFL who would do what Brock did and fail to make the play. I said it'd be nice if Brock could've made that great/elite level throw but he didn't.

As far as a potential pick 6, you throw that at the sidelines on a rope, it's not getting picked lol come on.

Anyhow, not much else to argue over. Brock is a good, not great, QB. I support resigning him but tough pill to swallow if that amount gets into the $55m range.

I'll ask you again to give me an example from those QBs you deem worthy of those contracts who have made a play like that with those stakes or even close to it.

Sure yes it would've been nice to see him make that play, just like would've been nice if Josh Allen dumped it off to Shakir out of the backfield vs the Chiefs this last AFCCG and even that's not comparable since it was 4th down and they weren't in FG range.

Also I simply don't see it the same way as you on the play. I don't think any QB worth a damn makes the throw that you're advocating for given how that play was unfolding.

Soon as Brock finishes the playfake and looks towards JJ he's locked up



Chris Jones is 2 steps away as Brock has absolutely no base to throw from. Your expectation is that he should be able to make a rope throw to the sideline off one leg with the Chiefs best defender coming at him(with a knack for knocking passes down) JJ has a DB all over him.

You're asking him to assume that JJ is going to beat his guy and separate clean enough where there is no risk for a pick.

All this in a split second.

I'm sorry that's simply not a realistic ask. Nice to have...sure but that's a unicorn type of success play given that situation. Any smart QB would do what Brock did. Maybe some would try to see if they could beat Chris and run for the first, maybe some would try to lob it over to George to see what he could do but with defenders in the area and the trajectory of the throw you'd have to make it's simply too dangerous given where you are and what's at stake.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Dude better become an elite QB. I don't want to hear any BS if Kittle/CMC/Yuk miss time and Brock looks like he did last year. Allen, Lamar and Mahomes minus Kelce don't have those types of dudes. Dude needs to elevate the talent around him for that money.

Funny I don't recall seeing Allen, Lamar and Mahomes play with an underwhelming defense, without their top RBs, special teams who made critical mistakes virtually every game and missing key players all over the offense.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'll ask you again to give me an example from those QBs you deem worthy of those contracts who have made a play like that with those stakes or even close to it.

Sure yes it would've been nice to see him make that play, just like would've been nice if Josh Allen dumped it off to Shakir out of the backfield vs the Chiefs this last AFCCG and even that's not comparable since it was 4th down and they weren't in FG range.

Also I simply don't see it the same way as you on the play. I don't think any QB worth a damn makes the throw that you're advocating for given how that play was unfolding.

Soon as Brock finishes the playfake and looks towards JJ he's locked up



Chris Jones is 2 steps away as Brock has absolutely no base to throw from. Your expectation is that he should be able to make a rope throw to the sideline off one leg with the Chiefs best defender coming at him(with a knack for knocking passes down) JJ has a DB all over him.

You're asking him to assume that JJ is going to beat his guy and separate clean enough where there is no risk for a pick.

All this in a split second.

I'm sorry that's simply not a realistic ask. Nice to have...sure but that's a unicorn type of success play given that situation. Any smart QB would do what Brock did. Maybe some would try to see if they could beat Chris and run for the first, maybe some would try to lob it over to George to see what he could do but with defenders in the area and the trajectory of the throw you'd have to make it's simply too dangerous given where you are and what's at stake.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'll ask you again to give me an example from those QBs you deem worthy of those contracts who have made a play like that with those stakes or even close to it.

Sure yes it would've been nice to see him make that play, just like would've been nice if Josh Allen dumped it off to Shakir out of the backfield vs the Chiefs this last AFCCG and even that's not comparable since it was 4th down and they weren't in FG range.

Also I simply don't see it the same way as you on the play. I don't think any QB worth a damn makes the throw that you're advocating for given how that play was unfolding.

Soon as Brock finishes the playfake and looks towards JJ he's locked up



Chris Jones is 2 steps away as Brock has absolutely no base to throw from. Your expectation is that he should be able to make a rope throw to the sideline off one leg with the Chiefs best defender coming at him(with a knack for knocking passes down) JJ has a DB all over him.

You're asking him to assume that JJ is going to beat his guy and separate clean enough where there is no risk for a pick.

All this in a split second.

I'm sorry that's simply not a realistic ask. Nice to have...sure but that's a unicorn type of success play given that situation. Any smart QB would do what Brock did. Maybe some would try to see if they could beat Chris and run for the first, maybe some would try to lob it over to George to see what he could do but with defenders in the area and the trajectory of the throw you'd have to make it's simply too dangerous given where you are and what's at stake.

Lol so your argument is finding someone who needed to make a tight throw to the sidelines in overtime of a Superbowl and made the throw? This is a senseless argument if that is your qualifier.

Brock is a good QB. I would put him in that 10-15 QB range. You can win a sb with that, but you need a stacked offense and defense to do it (as Jalen hurts just proved)

Everyone but Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and maybe Daniels need a stacked offense and defense.

We had 2 backs avg over 5 ypc last year. Seems like a lil twist to avoid saying obvious things like he was missing the "Offensive POTY" running back. He was missing him, and there are other All-Pros too like Aiyuk, Kittle, etc.

I mean heck,..we had FOUR 1st team All-Pro's in 2023 and I'm only talking offense. The rest of the league isint exactly feeling sorry for him when a couple of those guys are out and he has to depend on a 1st rd. WR instead.

Laying in on too thick, IMO,...and we wind up in the same loop: Does he really need firepower like this to succeed?

If so, then how much is he really worth?

Originally posted by random49er:
We had 2 backs avg over 5 ypc last year. Seems like a lil twist to avoid saying obvious things like he was missing the "Offensive POTY" running back. He was missing him, and there are other All-Pros too like Aiyuk, Kittle, etc.

I mean heck,..we had FOUR 1st team All-Pro's in 2023 and I'm only talking offense. The rest of the league isint exactly feeling sorry for him when a couple of those guys are out and he has to depend on a 1st rd. WR instead.

Laying in on too thick, IMO,...and we wind up in the same loop: Does he really need firepower like this to succeed?

If so, then how much is he really worth?

Those two backs combined for 240 receiving yards and 0 TDs.

CMC had 546 receiving yards and 7 TDs in 2023.

Thats not to mention that a playaction fake to Christian Mccaffrey causes a lot more confusion than it would to Isaac Guerendo (who I like, but lets be real...hes no CMC). CMC running a route causes the defense to focus on him. CMC opened up the field so much more than either Guerendo or Mason did.

Both of them did well in their time playing last year. But lets please not be dense and try to compare them to CMC. Its not even close.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Lol so your argument is finding someone who needed to make a tight throw to the sidelines in overtime of a Superbowl and made the throw? This is a senseless argument if that is your qualifier.

Brock is a good QB. I would put him in that 10-15 QB range. You can win a sb with that, but you need a stacked offense and defense to do it (as Jalen hurts just proved)

Don't limit it to the SB then. Give me a QB who made that throw in a similar play and let's leave the stakes part of it out.

Originally posted by random49er:
We had 2 backs avg over 5 ypc last year. Seems like a lil twist to avoid saying obvious things like he was missing the "Offensive POTY" running back. He was missing him, and there are other All-Pros too like Aiyuk, Kittle, etc.

I mean heck,..we had FOUR 1st team All-Pro's in 2023 and I'm only talking offense. The rest of the league isint exactly feeling sorry for him when a couple of those guys are out and he has to depend on a 1st rd. WR instead.

Laying in on too thick, IMO,...and we wind up in the same loop: Does he really need firepower like this to succeed?

If so, then how much is he really worth?

i think a lot of functional QBs could play some ball with the 2023 setup. if we are allowing that year to steer contract negotiations it would be a mistake. recall even that year the meltdown vs baltimore. i don't think we looked good in any of our playoff games that year either. brock is a jimmy 2.0 in that he's good enough to start and win you some games. we'll see if they make the contract jimmy 2.0

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Those two backs combined for 240 receiving yards and 0 TDs.

CMC had 546 receiving yards and 7 TDs in 2023.

Thats not to mention that a playaction fake to Christian Mccaffrey causes a lot more confusion than it would to Isaac Guerendo (who I like, but lets be real...hes no CMC). CMC running a route causes the defense to focus on him. CMC opened up the field so much more than either Guerendo or Mason did.

Both of them did well in their time playing last year. But lets please not be dense and try to compare them to CMC. Its not even close.

I dont care about their receiving stats though. As far as running the ball...they had to at least be "adequate" toting it for 5.0+ yard clips,...don't you think? That helps the passing game. They don't have to actually receive the ball alot to help.

To expect that they somehow "replace" CMC's passing game production even partially is absurd (which makes my point for me),...and Kyle didnt try to gameplan towards it either.

Does he really require dynamic players like CMC and Kittle to do well himself? Can he do well without perhaps the best LT in the game through it all as well? Or does it all fall apart?

If it does then same question: What is his true cap-space value? If you are sure it's well over $50M he can eat up and we're still good then ok,...but that's you. We will see.

Let's not pretend like there are not still pertinent questions to be answered.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by random49er:
We had 2 backs avg over 5 ypc last year. Seems like a lil twist to avoid saying obvious things like he was missing the "Offensive POTY" running back. He was missing him, and there are other All-Pros too like Aiyuk, Kittle, etc.

I mean heck,..we had FOUR 1st team All-Pro's in 2023 and I'm only talking offense. The rest of the league isint exactly feeling sorry for him when a couple of those guys are out and he has to depend on a 1st rd. WR instead.

Laying in on too thick, IMO,...and we wind up in the same loop: Does he really need firepower like this to succeed?

If so, then how much is he really worth?

Those two backs combined for 240 receiving yards and 0 TDs.

CMC had 546 receiving yards and 7 TDs in 2023.

Thats not to mention that a playaction fake to Christian Mccaffrey causes a lot more confusion than it would to Isaac Guerendo (who I like, but lets be real...hes no CMC). CMC running a route causes the defense to focus on him. CMC opened up the field so much more than either Guerendo or Mason did.

Both of them did well in their time playing last year. But lets please not be dense and try to compare them to CMC. Its not even close.

He's just arguing to argue. Losing key pieces in a timing based offense and having to account for a defense that's far below expectations and special teams disaster masterclass isn't simply being left over with a few less All Pros.

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Our offense is very particular by design. That's one of the reasons why Kyle doesn't like to play young receivers because they have to be in the spots they're designed to be or there will be issues on offense.

So any time you're losing key guys at the top it's a trickle down effect. Which is why he was at his worst in the Chiefs game. No Deebo, no JJ, Aiyuk gets hurt mid game. First game for Pearsall. Just a recipe for disaster and it showed on the field.

We've seen Brock make plays to guys like Chris Conley, Ray Ray McCloud. Jennings wasn't exactly an All Pro guy before Brock showed up. The idea that he needs to be surrounded by studs is simply an overblown take. Consistent players is what's needed. And when your roster is riddled by injuries you're not getting consistency.

Starting QBs tend to practice more with the top guys. They may get some reps in camp with the backups but it's nowhere near as much so somehow we're shocked where the passing game, which is heavily impacted by timing...somehow isn't as good with the backups?

Originally posted by random49er:
I dont care about their receiving stats though. As far as running the ball...they had to at least be "adequate" toting it for 5.0+ yard clips,...don't you think? That helps the passing game. They don't have to actually receive the ball alot to help.

To expect that they somehow "replace" CMC's passing game production even partially is absurd (which makes my point for me),...and Kyle didnt try to gameplan towards it either.

Does he really require dynamic players like CMC and Kittle to do well himself? Can he do well without perhaps the best LT in the game through it all as well? Or does it all fall apart?

If it does then same question: What is his true cap-space value? If you are sure it's well over $50M he can eat up and we're still good then ok,...but that's you. We will see.

Let's not pretend like there are not still pertinent questions to be answered.

So basically you want to see Brock produce without any dynamic players on offense to give you faith enough to extend him?

...which QB has done that again? You loved to remind us how showing Mahomes' lackluster play per his own standards once his offense was banged up was dumb because he was still getting it done and winning games.

How did that go in the SB when he didn't get refs giving him second chances left and right and had to deal with some protection issues and drops? Surely an elite QB like him could've pulled the team together right?

Or are we ready to admit that every QB needs help around them?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i think a lot of functional QBs could play some ball with the 2023 setup. if we are allowing that year to steer contract negotiations it would be a mistake. recall even that year the meltdown vs baltimore. i don't think we looked good in any of our playoff games that year either. brock is a jimmy 2.0 in that he's good enough to start and win you some games. we'll see if they make the contract jimmy 2.0

Brock play has won us a lot of games. Jimmys play winning us games can be counted on one hand.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i think a lot of functional QBs could play some ball with the 2023 setup. if we are allowing that year to steer contract negotiations it would be a mistake. recall even that year the meltdown vs baltimore. i don't think we looked good in any of our playoff games that year either. brock is a jimmy 2.0 in that he's good enough to start and win you some games. we'll see if they make the contract jimmy 2.0

Brock play has won us a lot of games. Jimmys play winning us games can be counted on one hand.

JG never had a losing season as 49er QB when healthy. i think lowest win total was 10 wins and in the champ game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
JG never had a losing season as 49er QB when healthy. i think lowest win total was 10 wins and in the champ game.

Of which he was rarely a primary factor in.

Very similar to Jalen Hurts this year. Kellen Moore went to a hide Jalen offense. The rest of the Eagles talent carried the day.

Even in Brocks poor passing playoff games in 23 he had to make plays himself to win the team the game. Didn't get the advantage Raheem Mostert going off for 4 tds or the defense shutting down Aaron Rodgers.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i think a lot of functional QBs could play some ball with the 2023 setup. if we are allowing that year to steer contract negotiations it would be a mistake. recall even that year the meltdown vs baltimore. i don't think we looked good in any of our playoff games that year either. brock is a jimmy 2.0 in that he's good enough to start and win you some games. we'll see if they make the contract jimmy 2.0

That OL was bottom 10 in the league in pass pro. Thinking any QB strolls into that team and does what Brock did is simply delusional.

You bringing up the Jimmy 2.0 given how that season went is hilarious btw.

You can look up most successful QBs and find stinker games from them in a season. Steve Young's game vs the Eagles in 1994. It happens, especially against great defenses like the Ravens had that year. The turnovers in that game were fairly flukey save 1 and there is a reason we put up the most total yards on the Ravens in that game.