QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Agree, but it makes for a big cap hit now.

yes...but....

I'll use Trevor Lawrence's cap hits for comparison:



They get to opt outof the deal after 2028. So we'd be paying Brock $40M or so in 2026 and $50M in 2027 that count 100% towards the cap, while the Jaguars are getting way with $24M and $25M hits.

The flip side is what if we or they want to run a far as possible from their QB come 2026 or 2027?

Well....we'd be out of jail scott free...while the Jaguars would incur dead cap hits of over $88M in 2027 and $44M in 2028.

In that department, the franchise tag is an obvious win for us by comparison.

So it's not black and white and you'd have to acknowledge the gray area in-between.

For all we know,...Brock's team is saying "hell no" to any out clauses like this and wants everything set in stone.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Agree, but it makes for a big cap hit now.

yes...but....

I'll use Trevor Lawrence's cap hits for comparison:



They get to opt outof the deal after 2028. So we'd be paying Brock $40M or so in 2026 and $50M in 2027 that count 100% towards the cap, while the Jaguars are getting way with $24M and $25M hits.

The flip side is what if we or they want to run a far as possible from their QB come 2026 or 2027?

Well....we'd be out of jail scott free...while the Jaguars would incur dead cap hits of over $88M in 2027 and $44M in 2028.

In that department, the franchise tag is an obvious win for us by comparison.

So it's not black and white and you'd have to acknowledge the gray area in-between.

For all we know,...Brock's team is saying "hell no" to any out clauses like this and wants everything set in stone.

That makes sense to me. Thanks.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
The quarterback non-exclusive franchise tag number in 2025 is 40.241M. That number is projected to be 46.325M in 2026. A second tag would be 120% of that number, so 55.59M in 2027. That is 107.315M in salaries. Salaries that cannot be restructured and prorated over future caps. Once you get into franchise tagging, you don't have an opportunity to spread new spending onto an existing cheap contract.

With all the cuts we've made....that's fine for now over risking too much future cap space. Both sides have to find common ground on various numbers. Otherwise,...we will go with what's already in the framework for 3 yrs.

Doesn't the tag crush cap space?

The tags would consume more cap space than an extension in those years. The tenders are straight salary that cannot be prorated upto 5 years, so the 49ers would take cap hits of 45M and 55M in addition to the 5.4M (which can be restructured). A top end extension might look like 305M/5yr (81M signing bonus), 39/42M options, standard workout/roster bonuses (167.3M cash through 3 years), resulting in cap hits of 17.4M, 26.1M and 34.5M in the first three years.

When the 49ers do extend him after those franchise tags, that new deal won't have a rookie contract to cushion new spending on top of. Stroud, Lamar, and maybe Mahomes will likely pass up Allen by the time Purdy gets done in the franchise tag scenario. And let's not even explore needing a third tag just to get him signed in 2028.

Idk how many times Typecast gotta explain it. The franchise tag is bad business

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that would be the richest deal in 49er history

one thing schefter raised is the team control scenario

he lays it out here, courtesy NBC Sports:

"I think Brock Purdy certainly could [make $50 million per year], but that's a question if they get that deal done," Schefter said on "The Pat McAfee Show." "Brock Purdy obviously is going to want to get a deal and the Niners would want to get a deal done, but the issue is he's scheduled to make $5.1 million this season. He then could be tagged after next season for $41 million. He could be tagged the season after that for $51 million. So if you don't get a deal done with Brock Purdy, and you're the Niners, and again this would not be what Brock Purdy would want I imagine, he would play for $5 million this year, $41 next year, $51 the year after.

"You're talking about $97-plus million over the next three years, which for most people would be incredible money -- but not for a quarterback who's waiting to get paid. So the Niners have a bit of a cap issue, a cash issue, so they can't put Brock Purdy necessarily where he might be. They can go to a certain level where they'd want to pay him, but it's not going to be, I'd imagine, quite as high as most people think."

this involves playing 2025 on 5 mil, and then tagged 2x. he views this as 3 years $97m, which is $32m aav. that's some of the club leverage. i have a hard time seeing any nfl team paying brock 40m aav or more. i only see 1 or 2 teams without their QB1 right now, and that's pre draft where there will be more entering. jobs are pretty much all filled.

It's also not a 32M average - that's just in easy math. His ENTIRE cap hit of $40M+ for two straight seasons would be devastating to our salary cap. When we could pay him "$50M" on paper but it's really not more than $30M for the next 4- years.

idk why people keep bringing up the franchise tag cause that would be a horrible situation for us to be in. It would also cost us more long term if we did resign him. It's just dumb all around and would def hurt the team around him - coming up with that much salary cap space for those years would be brutal.

go look at all the big contracts qbs have signed - their salary cap hits are low for the first handful of years and then increases. An extension gives you a ton of flexibility! Franchise tag literally gives you nothing. Just one big fat ass payment in one year.

there is a reason nearly no one ever plays on the franchise tag and teams usually don't even use it. It's not a wonderful tool - it's a desperation tool.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Idk how many times Typecast gotta explain it. The franchise tag is bad business

Yeah, I agree. Ive said it a bunch on here but some just don't get it. Franchise tag is a desperation tool - not a value tool. It's dumb as hell to use it and if it gets there - might as well trade Brock, cause the financial situation is just going to get worse. IMO.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
The quarterback non-exclusive franchise tag number in 2025 is 40.241M. That number is projected to be 46.325M in 2026. A second tag would be 120% of that number, so 55.59M in 2027. That is 107.315M in salaries. Salaries that cannot be restructured and prorated over future caps. Once you get into franchise tagging, you don't have an opportunity to spread new spending onto an existing cheap contract.

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With all the cuts we've made....that's fine for now over risking too much future cap space. Both sides have to find common ground on various numbers. Otherwise,...we will go with what's already in the framework for 3 yrs.

Doesn't the tag crush cap space?

future cap space? No. Horrible contracts that you cant undo will, though.

Franchise tag requires that salary to be fully guaranteed and accounted for. It's absolutely a handicap for a team when used for a QB and should be avoided at all costs.

You can restructure long term deals and you can even break up the dead cap hits if it comes to it. You can't do anything if you're forced to tag a guy at $47 mil that season.

Funny enough people are throwing out that tag like huge leverage when Brock's cap hits may never even hit that franchise tag number for a bunch of seasons similar to Jalen Hurts' contract.

For fans the only things we should worry about are the cap hits. I know I don't care about what checks Jed has to write if it doesn't impact the cap.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Agree, but it makes for a big cap hit now.

yes...but....

I'll use Trevor Lawrence's cap hits for comparison:



They get to opt outof the deal after 2028. So we'd be paying Brock $40M or so in 2026 and $50M in 2027 that count 100% towards the cap, while the Jaguars are getting way with $24M and $25M hits.

The flip side is what if we or they want to run a far as possible from their QB come 2026 or 2027?

Well....we'd be out of jail scott free...while the Jaguars would incur dead cap hits of over $88M in 2027 and $44M in 2028.

In that department, the franchise tag is an obvious win for us by comparison.

So it's not black and white and you'd have to acknowledge the gray area in-between.

For all we know,...Brock's team is saying "hell no" to any out clauses like this and wants everything set in stone.

The Prince didn't just sign his deal this year. He signed it before last season. Your screenshot is missing his 15M cap hit for 2024 and the two void years of 21M and 7M.

We'd be paying Brock 45M in 2026 and 55M in 2027 under the franchise tag. Then what? Do you tag him on the third tag at 75M+? Do you extend him and be forced to push more money to the back of that extension? Or are you just looking for any opportunity to walk away from him?

If we extended him to a extension on the top-end, he would have cap hits of 17.4M, 26.1M, 34.5M, 44.8M, 85.6M, and 73.4M, with two void years of 18.5M and 10.2M. They can structure the contract to give themselves an out in 2029. They could push more money into 2029/2030 if they believed the league will opt out of the current media deal after 2028.

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's also not a 32M average - that's just in easy math. His ENTIRE cap hit of $40M+ for two straight seasons would be devastating to our salary cap. When we could pay him "$50M" on paper but it's really not more than $30M for the next 4- years.

idk why people keep bringing up the franchise tag cause that would be a horrible situation for us to be in. It would also cost us more long term if we did resign him. It's just dumb all around and would def hurt the team around him - coming up with that much salary cap space for those years would be brutal.

go look at all the big contracts qbs have signed - their salary cap hits are low for the first handful of years and then increases. An extension gives you a ton of flexibility! Franchise tag literally gives you nothing. Just one big fat ass payment in one year.

there is a reason nearly no one ever plays on the franchise tag and teams usually don't even use it. It's not a wonderful tool - it's a desperation tool.

I agree. The franchise tag did not help Dallas with Dak back in 2019. The franchise tag did not help the Ravens with Lamar in 2023.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Idk how many times Typecast gotta explain it. The franchise tag is bad business

Yeah, I agree. Ive said it a bunch on here but some just don't get it. Franchise tag is a desperation tool - not a value tool. It's dumb as hell to use it and if it gets there - might as well trade Brock, cause the financial situation is just going to get worse. IMO.

The team doesn't even use the franchise tag like people want. They use it as a tool to get long term deals done. They don't use it vindictively (as was suggested for Aiyuk). They don't use it to wait-and-see (as is suggested for Purdy). Purdy's got enough games for you to judge him on. The 49ers had their opportunity to win a chip with him on the rookie wage scale. Pay him or move him.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Agree, but it makes for a big cap hit now.

yes...but....

I'll use Trevor Lawrence's cap hits for comparison:



They get to opt outof the deal after 2028. So we'd be paying Brock $40M or so in 2026 and $50M in 2027 that count 100% towards the cap, while the Jaguars are getting way with $24M and $25M hits.

The flip side is what if we or they want to run a far as possible from their QB come 2026 or 2027?

Well....we'd be out of jail scott free...while the Jaguars would incur dead cap hits of over $88M in 2027 and $44M in 2028.

In that department, the franchise tag is an obvious win for us by comparison.

So it's not black and white and you'd have to acknowledge the gray area in-between.

For all we know,...Brock's team is saying "hell no" to any out clauses like this and wants everything set in stone.

That makes sense to me. Thanks.

Except for the whole red herring of "he's not worth X amount per year"

Lawrence will never see those huge numbers which are fluffing up his APY(why those numbers don't mean much)

Here's the counter argument to random's thought process.

Say you don't want to cave to say a $60 mil(APY) contract ask from Brock - a contract that would be an extension of the current rookie deal where the cap hits next few years would still be incredibly low when compared to the APY value. Then you let him play out this year on the rookie deal then franchise him guaranteeing him $47 or so million that goes on the books instantly.

That move btw would signify Brock played well enough to warrant the franchise tag!

So now instead of say $6 mil cap hit this year and maybe $25 mil next season you're looking at spending $50+ for the same two seasons.

Now say Brock plays well again…now what? A 55+ mil tag where you have no leverage at all after?

And now if you're trying to sign him to a long term deal inflation over 2-3 seasons and other QBs getting paid will turn that $60 mil APY people are claiming he's not worth and he'll be older and asking for $70-80 APY.

Not signing him does give them an easy out but it's only if he doesn't play well. If he plays well they completely screw themselves.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Idk how many times Typecast gotta explain it. The franchise tag is bad business

Yeah, I agree. Ive said it a bunch on here but some just don't get it. Franchise tag is a desperation tool - not a value tool. It's dumb as hell to use it and if it gets there - might as well trade Brock, cause the financial situation is just going to get worse. IMO.

The way I see it is extend him or trade him, but some want Jed to turn this into a Jerry/Dan Snyder circus organization

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Idk how many times Typecast gotta explain it. The franchise tag is bad business

Yeah, I agree. Ive said it a bunch on here but some just don't get it. Franchise tag is a desperation tool - not a value tool. It's dumb as hell to use it and if it gets there - might as well trade Brock, cause the financial situation is just going to get worse. IMO.

The way I see it is extend him or trade him, but some want Jed to turn this into a Jerry/Dan Snyder circus organization

Funny thing is we're talking in circles here about extreme cases and there has been nothing reported from either side that this deal is in any way contentious or in danger of not getting done.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:

The quarterback non-exclusive franchise tag number in 2025 is 40.241M. That number is projected to be 46.325M in 2026. A second tag would be 120% of that number, so 55.59M in 2027. That is 107.315M in salaries. Salaries that cannot be restructured and prorated over future caps. Once you get into franchise tagging, you don't have an opportunity to spread new spending onto an existing cheap contract.

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With all the cuts we've made....that's fine for now over risking too much future cap space. Both sides have to find common ground on various numbers. Otherwise,...we will go with what's already in the framework for 3 yrs.

Doesn't the tag crush cap space?

The tags would consume more cap space than an extension in those years. The tenders are straight salary that cannot be prorated upto 5 years, so the 49ers would take cap hits of 45M and 55M in addition to the 5.4M (which can be restructured). A top end extension might look like 305M/5yr (81M signing bonus), 39/42M options, standard workout/roster bonuses (167.3M cash through 3 years), resulting in cap hits of 17.4M, 26.1M and 34.5M in the first three years.

When the 49ers do extend him after those franchise tags, that new deal won't have a rookie contract to cushion new spending on top of. Stroud, Lamar, and maybe Mahomes will likely pass up Allen by the time Purdy gets done in the franchise tag scenario. And let's not even explore needing a third tag just to get him signed in 2028.

That is the impression I was under and the market is only going to go up.

I would give Brock a 10 year deal with an out after 6 years. That way you can keep restructuring his contract every season to keep the cap low. Look at what the Chiefs did with Mahomes,He's into like year 6 of his contract and I don't think his cap hit has ever been high because every year they keep restructuring it. You can't do that with a short-term contract. There is no wiggle room. It's why Dak's cap hit was like 50+ Million last season.