QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The market was set by those players, the market isn't going to go down.

The market was set by idiot GMs. That doesn't mean we have to overpay Purdy just because other mediocre QBs got paid.

We have all the leverage here and can have Purdy for 3 more years without an extension.

That doesn't mean Purdy has to accept either. Idiot GMs are going to continue to exist. He can choose to play out his contract, whatever team options the 49ers want to invoke, then walk just like Cousins did with Washington. Purdy isn't going to bat an eye at getting paid 45M next year and 55M the following year. The cap is not his concern.

Nobody ever has all the leverage. If the team tagged Purdy, he could choose to not sign the tender until week 10. He can report, get credit for the season, then do it again on the 2nd franchise tag. You are aware how bad this team has been since 2017 when the starting quarterback is named Garoppolo or Purdy, right? Mac Jones is not your savior. Even on April Fools day.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by dj43:
FWIW, the 10th highest paid "quarterback" is Jalen Hurts, an athlete attempting to play the position, is getting $51million/yr.

Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

Hurts did not earn 6.2M in 2023. That was his cap hit. His cash that season was 24.3M.

When Hurts signed his contract, it was a top contract.

• 255M in new cash (over 5 years) was #3 behind Mahomes (450M/10) and Allen (258M/6).
• 51M extension AAV was #1 ahead of Rodgers (50.3M) and Russ (48.5M).
• 110M gtd at signing was #3 behind Watson (230M) and Russ (124M)
• 179.4M total guaranteed over the contract was #2 behind Watson (230M).

The complaints when that contract was announced were that you couldn't build a roster paying a quarterback 50M. They'll never get back to the super bowl. Too much money! Then Lamar passed him 10 days later. Herbert and Burrow later in that offseason. Mahomes 5-year cash restructure a year later. Goff, The Prince, Tua, Love, Dak, and now Allen. Now that he's sitting 10th, everyone's like "pretty good contract"... Oh, and he won a Super Bowl.

Hurts' contract is backloaded. He didn't get a huge signing bonus and instead is getting really huge option bonuses on the back half. The contract had a 23.3M signing bonus and option bonuses of 38.9M, 41.3M, 50.3M, 50.2M, and 50.1M. Why? Because the Eagles were pressed on cap space and couldn't afford a large signing bonus to spread over 2023-24. Hurts will never cross the 50M/yr threshold on cap hits because all of those options had 5-year prorations baked into the original contract. His cashflow will hit 50M+ starting in year four.

Purdy's extension isn't going to be much different. He's going to have minimum salaries the first few years. The 49ers can load up Purdy's contract with a large signing bonus to keep his cap hits lower in years 2 through 5. There will be option bonuses in at least years 2 and 3. I would expect an option bonus in year 4 but if they opted to keep it all as just salary (can be restructured into a signing bonus), that would be the earliest his cap hit would be 50M+. A minimized salary and option bonus in year 4 would likely push the first 50M+ cap hit into year 5.

The carousel of qb contracts is coming back around. It would have been nice to get Purdy extended before Allen, but that didn't happen and Allen reset the market. Luckily for the 49ers, nobody should really push the market up any further this year. Maybe Lamar and the Ravens? I believe they reset the market next year before Stroud and maybe Mahomes.

All of this stuff is a little extra. He has yet to bank $50M in a year. $40M last year and $42.5M next year if he does well. Don't wanna talk about years that are possibly voided, because the central discussion is how much of the cap are the 49ers willing to guarantee to our current guy.

I just want him out there with the team doing his job. None of this last minute BS missing most of the offseason crap.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by dj43:
FWIW, the 10th highest paid "quarterback" is Jalen Hurts, an athlete attempting to play the position, is getting $51million/yr.

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Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

Hurts did not earn 6.2M in 2023. That was his cap hit. His cash that season was 24.3M.

When Hurts signed his contract, it was a top contract.

• 255M in new cash (over 5 years) was #3 behind Mahomes (450M/10) and Allen (258M/6).
• 51M extension AAV was #1 ahead of Rodgers (50.3M) and Russ (48.5M).
• 110M gtd at signing was #3 behind Watson (230M) and Russ (124M)
• 179.4M total guaranteed over the contract was #2 behind Watson (230M).

The complaints when that contract was announced were that you couldn't build a roster paying a quarterback 50M. They'll never get back to the super bowl. Too much money! Then Lamar passed him 10 days later. Herbert and Burrow later in that offseason. Mahomes 5-year cash restructure a year later. Goff, The Prince, Tua, Love, Dak, and now Allen. Now that he's sitting 10th, everyone's like "pretty good contract"... Oh, and he won a Super Bowl.

Hurts' contract is backloaded. He didn't get a huge signing bonus and instead is getting really huge option bonuses on the back half. The contract had a 23.3M signing bonus and option bonuses of 38.9M, 41.3M, 50.3M, 50.2M, and 50.1M. Why? Because the Eagles were pressed on cap space and couldn't afford a large signing bonus to spread over 2023-24. Hurts will never cross the 50M/yr threshold on cap hits because all of those options had 5-year prorations baked into the original contract. His cashflow will hit 50M+ starting in year four.

Purdy's extension isn't going to be much different. He's going to have minimum salaries the first few years. The 49ers can load up Purdy's contract with a large signing bonus to keep his cap hits lower in years 2 through 5. There will be option bonuses in at least years 2 and 3. I would expect an option bonus in year 4 but if they opted to keep it all as just salary (can be restructured into a signing bonus), that would be the earliest his cap hit would be 50M+. A minimized salary and option bonus in year 4 would likely push the first 50M+ cap hit into year 5.

The carousel of qb contracts is coming back around. It would have been nice to get Purdy extended before Allen, but that didn't happen and Allen reset the market. Luckily for the 49ers, nobody should really push the market up any further this year. Maybe Lamar and the Ravens? I believe they reset the market next year before Stroud and maybe Mahomes.

All of this stuff is a little extra. He has yet to bank $50M in a year. $40M last year and $42.5M next year if he does well. Don't wanna talk about years that are possibly voided, because the central discussion is how much of the cap are the 49ers willing to guarantee to our current guy.

Who said anything about years that are possibly voided? Everything I talked about was actual contract years. I never brought up the near 100M in cap hits on the void years of Hurts' contract because that would qualify as actually being "a little extra". I addressed you being wrong about how much cash he actually got in his first year as you mixed up his cap hit, which you conveniently ignored in this reply. I explained for the benefit of others as to why his cash flow was so low on his market resetting contract so they would understand why your framing is wrong.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I just want him out there with the team doing his job. None of this last minute BS missing most of the offseason crap.

Jed, Lynch, and Kyle are all on the record wanting him paid. Time for Paraag to deliver.

Originally posted by Typecast:
Who said anything about years that are possibly voided? Everything I talked about was actual contract years. I never brought up the near 100M in cap hits on the void years of Hurts' contract because that would qualify as actually being "a little extra". I addressed you being wrong about how much cash he actually got in his first year as you mixed up his cap hit, which you conveniently ignored in this reply. I explained for the benefit of others as to why his cash flow was so low on his market resetting contract so they would understand why your framing is wrong.

I was replying to someone saying he's made over $50M a year. As of now, he never has. Not now, and not next year.

I didn't mix up 2023 with his cap hit, btw. I didnt take the time to look at his cap hits.

They didn't win in 2024 with a "$50M QB" because he's never made that. He looks to in 2026. But if you average all of the years on his deal in total cash before the void year, he's getting a little over $41M per year. Never threatening the cap with some crazy high number. I hope that's clear.

Originally posted by genus49:
All star cast? Does that apply to the OL as well or are we going to pretend that Trent Williams being an all pro at LT means we have an all pro OL across the board?

You saw Mahomes, the greatest in the game right now, with poor pass pro right? 0-2 in SBs with 4 picks and only 3 garbage time TDs.

Pass pro is pretty important and ignoring how well Brock played with pretty poor pass protection in 2023 and just giving all that love to the skill players as if Brock wasn't an MVP runner up for a reason?

Brock has 40+ starts under his belt. That's plenty to evaluate whether he can play in this game or not.

Let's ignore that Jauan Jennings was playing like a top WR with Brock. Let's forget how Brock answered all the stupid questions people had for him in that 2023 season in the playoffs.

Can he play in the rain - check

Can he win without Deebo - check

Can he win if he has to make a game winning drive - check(in the rain btw, with a key big play to Chris Conley)

Can he lead a comeback down by 10+ - check

It's silly to point to last year with so much stuff going wrong and act like he hasn't proven that he can't play without all the fancy weapons. How about just some consistent ones and a good OL?

That's exactly what Josh Allen had last year and everyone acts like he was a one man roster out there.

Very good OL, excellent running game. Very good defense and special teams. Solid and consistent weapons to throw to.

He had his top guy out one game - it was arguably his worst game of the season. What does that tell us about Josh?

Thank you!!!! Hear hear. I agree, I wish fans were that logical and put things into context which they don't. It either doesn't fit their narrative so they either ignore it or they aren't wise enough to put things into perspective.

if Brock Purdy had an offensive line like Detroit Philadelphia the Bills or even the Chiefs interior line had when healthy he would have two Super Bowls by now. Even without weapons. It's amazing how many sacks and pressures he got out of and how many incredible plays he made, despite piss poor protection

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Jed York said today Brock is a Top 10 QB. That's okay with me. If he said Top 5 we would be in trouble.

That should equate to my 45 million/year prediction. 😀

FWIW, the 10th highest paid "quarterback" is Jalen Hurts, an athlete attempting to play the position, is getting $51million/yr.

Jordan Love is still that target at $55million. Trevor Lawrence, an average QB, is also at that same level.

At $45M, you get Murray, Watson, Cousins. Everyone will agree Purdy is worth more than any of those three.

$51M is the low-ball number right now.

SB MVP. i'd say he's attempting to do it pretty well. hurts challenge is they play the 2 deep and he has to settle for short stuff and process and be accurate and that's not his game. but if you are gonna respect that deep ball saquon is gonna feast. so will hurts with his legs. so its a pick your poison. you come up, he can beat you deep. i like hurts as QB he would have a ring for shanny imo. short yardage and red zone he's a cheat code with his physical running style. you put a healthy CMC next to Hurts, well you just saw that operation with Saquon, and what it can do to KC. 40 points. brock can move around but he's not the physical runner hurts is, he doesn't have the arm talent either like Jalen does. now brock is the quicker short area processer. but i see our offense as let's run and let's punish you when you cheat up. so i think jalen would fit what we do better. if you want to spread it out horizontal and throw a bunch of short stuff maybe pick brock, but that's not what we do here. we want to run the football.

Your anti-Purdy bias is showing again. You contradict yourself. You admit processing and accuracy are not his game but claim he would have a ring if he played for Shanahan. Really? If a QB cannot read and process, he won't even start for Shanahan, much less get a ring.

FYI, despite lacking a deep threat like AJ Brown and DaVonta Smith, and a running threat like Saquon, Purdy's average yards/completion was better than Hurts last season.

Then there was the Eagles OL, with 3 positions in the top 10, a fourth ranked #21, and a Center better than Brendel.

So, yeah, it was all about Hurts.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The market was set by those players, the market isn't going to go down.

The market was set by idiot GMs. That doesn't mean we have to overpay Purdy just because other mediocre QBs got paid.

We have all the leverage here and can have Purdy for 3 more years without an extension.

good points. the reality is he's coming off a down year, we won 6 games, finished last place and his passes weren't very crisp. so that all should get factored into the deal. if he's coming off the 2023 season, he may get that record deal or what not. 2024 wasn't great. i think given his career earnings he'd be thrilled with a $45m aav payout and mega millions gtd. that's still what you would call 'paying the man'. it would be our richest club contract in history.

then you have the idea of incentives.

how about $45m aav and he can earn up to much more, via performance and availability related bonus

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The market was set by those players, the market isn't going to go down.

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The market was set by idiot GMs. That doesn't mean we have to overpay Purdy just because other mediocre QBs got paid.

We have all the leverage here and can have Purdy for 3 more years without an extension.

good points. the reality is he's coming off a down year, we won 6 games, finished last place and his passes weren't very crisp. so that all should get factored into the deal. if he's coming off the 2023 season, he may get that record deal or what not. 2024 wasn't great. i think given his career earnings he'd be thrilled with a $45m aav payout and mega millions gtd. that's still what you would call 'paying the man'. it would be our richest club contract in history.

then you have the idea of incentives.

how about $45m aav and he can earn up to much more, via performance and availability related bonus

Great debate. At least put some effort in if you disagree instead of looking foolish and uneducated just by posting emojis.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Jed York said today Brock is a Top 10 QB. That's okay with me. If he said Top 5 we would be in trouble.

That should equate to my 45 million/year prediction. 😀

FWIW, the 10th highest paid "quarterback" is Jalen Hurts, an athlete attempting to play the position, is getting $51million/yr.

Jordan Love is still that target at $55million. Trevor Lawrence, an average QB, is also at that same level.

At $45M, you get Murray, Watson, Cousins. Everyone will agree Purdy is worth more than any of those three.

$51M is the low-ball number right now.

Lol. Attempting to play the position. Dude did what Brock couldn't. Beat KC and won a ring.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Jed York said today Brock is a Top 10 QB. That's okay with me. If he said Top 5 we would be in trouble.

That should equate to my 45 million/year prediction. 😀

FWIW, the 10th highest paid "quarterback" is Jalen Hurts, an athlete attempting to play the position, is getting $51million/yr.

Jordan Love is still that target at $55million. Trevor Lawrence, an average QB, is also at that same level.

At $45M, you get Murray, Watson, Cousins. Everyone will agree Purdy is worth more than any of those three.

$51M is the low-ball number right now.

Lol. Attempting to play the position. Dude did what Brock couldn't. Beat KC and won a ring.

You guys do remember that the Hurts-led Eagles lost to the Chiefs in Super Bowl 57, right?

Originally posted by random49er:
I didn't mix up 2023 with his cap hit, btw. I didnt take the time to look at his cap hits.

Originally posted by random49er:
Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

Here is Hurts' 6.2M cap hit for 2023. Notice the 2024 and 2025 numbers don't match the 40M and 42.5M you talk about.

Here is Hurts' 24.3M cash-flow for 2023. Notice it also has the 40M and 42.5M you also brought up.

I get lying is OP, but brother, you can't be this obvious with it. "Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023" is wrong. Hurts "earned" 24.304M in 2023. The 6.2M you refer to is the cap hit for 2023.

Originally posted by dj43:
Your anti-Purdy bias is showing again. You contradict yourself. You admit processing and accuracy are not his game but claim he would have a ring if he played for Shanahan. Really? If a QB cannot read and process, he won't even start for Shanahan, much less get a ring.

FYI, despite lacking a deep threat like AJ Brown and DaVonta Smith, and a running threat like Saquon, Purdy's average yards/completion was better than Hurts last season.

Then there was the Eagles OL, with 3 positions in the top 10, a fourth ranked #21, and a Center better than Brendel.

So, yeah, it was all about Hurts.

there is more nuance to the position. for example i never said it was 'all hurts'. jalen can process, just it's not the best aspect of his game. brock playing fast and getting it out quick and fearless under pressure is his best trait imo. but there is no question if you could make brock more physical, where he's part of a designed run game and dominating, and he has a bigger arm, all those would be beneficial. i think a lot of nfl fans without any bias would simply say hurts > brock. not a controversial statement imo. i can see the case for brock. for me i want to see this offense the way shanny can run the football with a QB who can run at an elite level. brock can do his short area quickness stuff, but he's not a designed run QB. put someone like lamar here next to healthy cmc with shanny's system you can break the game imo. we took some shot at this with trey but he was not as advertised.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i think a lot of nfl fans without any bias would simply say hurts > brock. not a controversial statement imo.

I remember the days when the Eagles were looking to dump Hurts and replace him for Watson. After they realized the cost was too much to acquire Watson, Howie opted to build a superteam around Hurts. Then they made Hurts the highest paid quarterback (for about 10 days).