QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Jed York said today Brock is a Top 10 QB. That's okay with me. If he said Top 5 we would be in trouble.

That should equate to my 45 million/year prediction. 😀

FWIW, the 10th highest paid "quarterback" is Jalen Hurts, an athlete attempting to play the position, is getting $51million/yr.

Jordan Love is still that target at $55million. Trevor Lawrence, an average QB, is also at that same level.

At $45M, you get Murray, Watson, Cousins. Everyone will agree Purdy is worth more than any of those three.

$51M is the low-ball number right now.

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Lol. Attempting to play the position. Dude did what Brock couldn't. Beat KC and won a ring.

You guys do remember that the Hurts-led Eagles lost to the Chiefs in Super Bowl 57, right?

And? Still did what Brock didn't and got back and won a ring.

Wait so it was Brock who lost the Super Bowl and Hurts is the one who won it?

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:
I didn't mix up 2023 with his cap hit, btw. I didnt take the time to look at his cap hits.

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Originally posted by random49er:
Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

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Here is Hurts' 6.2M cap hit for 2023. Notice the 2024 and 2025 numbers don't match the 40M and 42.5M you talk about.

Here is Hurts' 24.3M cash-flow for 2023. Notice it also has the 40M and 42.5M you also brought up.

I get lying is OP, but brother, you can't be this obvious with it. "Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023" is wrong. Hurts "earned" 24.304M in 2023. The 6.2M you refer to is the cap hit for 2023.

I didn't mix up the cap hits,....I wasnt referring to the cap hits at all. I went with what a site said,...but it's neither here nor there because he's never made $50M in a season, and he wont this coming season either. In the future, perhaps.

I believe i stated that he's slated to average as much as $41M+ before the void years. That includes that 1st yr signing bonus. Do the math. It's there. It hasnt been left out...lol.

Go back to the OP you replied to and maybe you'll get the gist and stop going in a circle.

Just quit man you got smoked! Just take the L!

lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wait so it was Brock who lost the Super Bowl and Hurts is the one who won it?

Uh ya. Thats exactly what happened last time I checked.

Originally posted by dj43:
And?

You ignore the incredibly more talented team the Eagles had this past season.

Give Brock the Eagles' OL, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get a ring...or did you forget Burford's blown assignment?

Look hurts did a good job but he isn't the driving force behind them being as good as they were.

saquon Barkley was amazing, best OL in the league, arguably the best DL in the league (which made their secondary one of the best), arguably the best WR trio in the league.

just an exceptional team all around. To me, the criticism is that when we had that - we couldn't finish it. When the eagles had it - they dominated. Different teams and different stories but the eagles really rebounded after s**tting the bed and I hope we do the same.

this Hurts won it and Brock didn't is ignorant and anyone who simplifies it down to that doesn't know football. Lol kudos to hurts but it's much more complex than that.

Originally posted by random49er:
I guess you're upset that I corrected u the day before on his ability to hold out and still accrue a season? Let it go bro.

Now yes, you were wrong about being able to play 6 games and accrue a season without penalty. That's why I referred you to NFL.com. It's old now,...lol. Let's move on.

I had to go back and see what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
At $5.1m. I wonder if he shows up for the off season and all but the last 6 games of the season to get the season accrual.

The last 6 games to accrue?? Did you really mean to type August 5th?

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Nope.

What makes u think you only need 6 games towards the end of the season to accrue a season?

The CBA states you need 6 games of eligible status.

For the purposes of calculating Accrued Seasons under this Agreement, a player shall receive one Accrued Season for each season during which he was on, or should have been on, full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games (which shall include any games encompassed in any injury settlement, injury grievance settlement or injury grievance award), but which, irrespective of the player's pay status, shall not include games for which the player was on: (i) the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, (ii) the Reserve PUP List as a result of a nonfootball injury, or (iii) a Club's Practice Squad.

https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement/article/8

You asked a question to another chatter and I pointed you to the part of the CBA that answers your question. Why are you mixing me up with another chatter? Did you really get upset because I cited the collective bargaining agreement to answer you? I have to ask again, are you okay? You seem upset.

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Someone said Hurts is making $50M a year and Philly won a championship. He's NEVER made $50M a year. He's slotted to in the future. Thus far, he's maxed out @ $40M.

This is irrelevant. I have my own issues with the AAV discussion, but that's beyond the scope of our discussion.

Originally posted by random49er:
2) I copied and pasted some yearly payouts Hurts has gotten that left out the initial 2023 $23M signing bonus to go along with the $6M.

So why lie? Why not just admit you got the numbers wrong up front instead of pretending otherwise?

Originally posted by random49er:
3) You noticed that. Okay? Good catch. I was never looking at or responding about cap hits, though. That's an assumption you blindly made, just like the one you made the day before about season accrual. It was a simple copy and paste I made from a website that left out the signing bonus.

You are correct. I made an assumption you were conversing in good faith when in fact you don't know what you are talking about and simply copy & paste your arguments from others. My bad.

Originally posted by random49er:
4) Isin't this deflecting away from the original point made? Hurts didn't make $50M/Yr when he won the SB. He didn't the year before in 2023 - no matter how many times you want to bring up that year - and he's not going to in 2025.

I'm not the chatter you were having that conversation with. I was simply correcting you but you seem to get butt hurt anytime someone questions you. Again, you said the following

Originally posted by random49er:
Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

My response to you was a simple info dump to better inform everyone.

Originally posted by random49er:
All of this stuff is a little extra. He has yet to bank $50M in a year. $40M last year and $42.5M next year if he does well. Don't wanna talk about years that are possibly voided, because the central discussion is how much of the cap are the 49ers willing to guarantee to our current guy.

Rather than accept you screwed up in your copy+paste job, you wanted to argue this. I tried to bring the focus of our conversation back to the point that you were wrong on his first year cash and why your framing was wrong.

Originally posted by random49er:
I didn't mix up 2023 with his cap hit, btw. I didnt take the time to look at his cap hits.

You didn't mix up the cap hit. You didn't take the time to look at his cap hits. You decided to just paste what someone else wrote without fact checking it. But hey, not your fault, right?

Originally posted by random49er:
I didn't mix up the cap hits,....I wasnt referring to the cap hits at all. I went with what a site said

I believe i stated that he's slated to average as much as $41M+ before the void years. That includes that 1st yr signing bonus. Do the math. It's there. It hasnt been left out...lol.

Yes, You didn't mix up the cap hit. You weren't referring to the cap hits at all. It's some other sites fault for you copying the information and posting it here. Then you proceeded to make up stuff about the signing bonus being left out, lol... What are we doing here?

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by bringing facts to the conversation. I never knew basic things like the NFL CBA and Spotrac could expose a persons insecurities like this.

edit - Anyway, we've derailed this thread enough. This is the Purdy thread, not the Hurts thread. Let's try to get back on topic and stop taking corrections so personally.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wait so it was Brock who lost the Super Bowl and Hurts is the one who won it?

Uh ya. Thats exactly what happened last time I checked.

I don't think you understand the question.

Originally posted by random49er:

I love Trey to death

Fixed your typo

Originally posted by Typecast:
I had to go back and see what you are talking about.

You asked a question to another chatter and I pointed you to the part of the CBA that answers your question. Why are you mixing me up with another chatter? Did you really get upset because I cited the collective bargaining agreement to answer you? I have to ask again, are you okay? You seem upset.

Originally posted by random49er:
1) Someone said Hurts is making $50M a year and Philly won a championship. He's NEVER made $50M a year. He's slotted to in the future. Thus far, he's maxed out @ $40M.

This is irrelevant. I have my own issues with the AAV discussion, but that's beyond the scope of our discussion.

Originally posted by random49er:
2) I copied and pasted some yearly payouts Hurts has gotten that left out the initial 2023 $23M signing bonus to go along with the $6M.

So why lie? Why not just admit you got the numbers wrong up front instead of pretending otherwise?

Originally posted by random49er:
3) You noticed that. Okay? Good catch. I was never looking at or responding about cap hits, though. That's an assumption you blindly made, just like the one you made the day before about season accrual. It was a simple copy and paste I made from a website that left out the signing bonus.

You are correct. I made an assumption you were conversing in good faith when in fact you don't know what you are talking about and simply copy & paste your arguments from others. My bad.

Originally posted by random49er:
4) Isin't this deflecting away from the original point made? Hurts didn't make $50M/Yr when he won the SB. He didn't the year before in 2023 - no matter how many times you want to bring up that year - and he's not going to in 2025.

I'm not the chatter you were having that conversation with. I was simply correcting you but you seem to get butt hurt anytime someone questions you. Again, you said the following

Originally posted by random49er:
Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

My response to you was a simple info dump to better inform everyone.

Originally posted by random49er:
All of this stuff is a little extra. He has yet to bank $50M in a year. $40M last year and $42.5M next year if he does well. Don't wanna talk about years that are possibly voided, because the central discussion is how much of the cap are the 49ers willing to guarantee to our current guy.

Rather than accept you screwed up in your copy+paste job, you wanted to argue this. I tried to bring the focus of our conversation back to the point that you were wrong on his first year cash and why your framing was wrong.

Originally posted by random49er:
I didn't mix up 2023 with his cap hit, btw. I didnt take the time to look at his cap hits.

You didn't mix up the cap hit. You didn't take the time to look at his cap hits. You decided to just paste what someone else wrote without fact checking it. But hey, not your fault, right?

Originally posted by random49er:
I didn't mix up the cap hits,....I wasnt referring to the cap hits at all. I went with what a site said

I believe i stated that he's slated to average as much as $41M+ before the void years. That includes that 1st yr signing bonus. Do the math. It's there. It hasnt been left out...lol.

Yes, You didn't mix up the cap hit. You weren't referring to the cap hits at all. It's some other sites fault for you copying the information and posting it here. Then you proceeded to make up stuff about the signing bonus being left out, lol... What are we doing here?

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by bringing facts to the conversation. I never knew basic things like the NFL CBA and Spotrac could expose a persons insecurities like this.

edit - Anyway, we've derailed this thread enough. This is the Purdy thread, not the Hurts thread. Let's try to get back on topic and stop taking corrections so personally.

What's ironic about this is random loves to take a tiny portion of someone's post so he can argue about something small while also leaving out the context that made that point pretty clear.

Personally all I care about are the cap hits. That's what restricts teams from building around a guy. I don't care how much the owner has to pay him outside of that or when.

It's also why I've constantly said people worrying about the average numbers are being extreme since majority of these "highest qb contract" signings have been mostly fluff similar to Jalen's deal. I expect Brock to be in a similar boat and all I'll care about are his cap hit numbers.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wait so it was Brock who lost the Super Bowl and Hurts is the one who won it?

Uh ya. Thats exactly what happened last time I checked.

Black or white analysis.

There was no context left out. Philly didn't win with a $51M/Yr QB. It ended up as $40M after bonuses. What could possibly have been left out?

The person youre replying to broke my post up into snippets as well. In fact, you replied to it. The difference is that he is pro-spending as you are, and I am pro-cautious.

And good job to him on doing so, though it never changes what I just said above and in the OP.

When the truth is stretched,... it shouldnt offend you when it's corrected.

Type-C got his typo correction on $6M.... I straightened out how Brock would in fact risk or forfeit his accrual season, et. al. No biggie, and nothing to do with snipping.

Originally posted by random49er:
There was no context left out. Philly didn't win with a $51M/Yr QB. It ended up as $40M after bonuses. What could possibly have been left out?

The person youre replying to broke my post up into snippets as well. In fact, you replied to it. The difference is that he is pro-spending as you are, and I am pro-cautious.

And good job to him on doing so, though it never changes what I just said above and in the OP.

When the truth is stretched,... it shouldnt offend you when it's corrected.

Type-C got his typo correction on $6M.... I straightened out how Brock would in fact risk or forfeit his accrual season, et. al. No biggie, and nothing to do with snipping.

Dude you know for a fact that myself and others have been saying that Brock wouldn't be a $60 million/Yr QB either in the same context as your Hurts example.

Your argument is the whole reason I've been in here saying people need to relax on the numbers and stop doing the X per year thing. Those numbers are always fluff. JUST LIKE JALEN'S DEAL!

We're literally going in circles here for no reason.

There has been absolutely 0 concern from either side that this deal will get contentious and by all accounts nobody is speculating that it will cut into training camp and certainly not into the season.

Brock isn't going to sit out games, that's not the type of person he is.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:
I love Trey to death

Fixed your typo

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wait so it was Brock who lost the Super Bowl and Hurts is the one who won it?

Uh ya. Thats exactly what happened last time I checked.

I don't think you understand the question.

He doesn't understand reality

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Kyle isn't dragging anything out. Our history of caving at crunch time is dragging these negotiations out. I don't believe that's Paraag caving but only late in the game, but suit yourself.

And of course there is a market established for quarterbacks. It's just a matter of slotting Brock in. Jed just acknowledged he's at least top 10. And for all practical purposes, he Is a free agent for pay purposes, because you can't make him play for $5.1m. He won't.

Why would you not believe that's Paraag? Literally that's his job to negotiate contracts and get the best deal possible for his boss Jed. Pretending it's anyone else is nonsense. Go be upset with the FO for sitting on their thumbs all off season during these deals, be upset with the player and agent constantly sticking their noses up at every deal put in front of them all off season. It's not a one sided thing.

Cool if he's a "top 10" give him the hurts deal at around $50M per (using that avv for this discussion only) and be done with it….just because other teams have make f**king horrible deals for their QBs doesn't mean SF has to line up and say we're next to do that. if he wants Dak/Allen cash tell him and his agent to go find it and come back to the table to discuss…if SF doesn't want to match the offer, then compensation from the other team will be figured out. If a team is willing to pay him that type of cash, then they have no issue moving picks for their starter for the next decade.

and no, he's not a FA because he's under contract for another yr and will absolutely be playing on that number (with added signing bonus) when he signs. It's an extension, not a FA contract. That last yr of his rookie deal doesn't disappear, it gets added to the extension.

if he doesn't play he doesn't get an accrued season and he's not a FA next yr. They can roll out McCorkle and if he plays fine, then that sure as s**t doesn't improve his chances of making more money.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:
I didn't mix up 2023 with his cap hit, btw. I didnt take the time to look at his cap hits.

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Originally posted by random49er:
Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

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Here is Hurts' 6.2M cap hit for 2023. Notice the 2024 and 2025 numbers don't match the 40M and 42.5M you talk about.

Here is Hurts' 24.3M cash-flow for 2023. Notice it also has the 40M and 42.5M you also brought up.

I get lying is OP, but brother, you can't be this obvious with it. "Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023" is wrong. Hurts "earned" 24.304M in 2023. The 6.2M you refer to is the cap hit for 2023.

I didn't mix up the cap hits,....I wasnt referring to the cap hits at all. I went with what a site said,...but it's neither here nor there because he's never made $50M in a season, and he wont this coming season either. In the future, perhaps.

I believe i stated that he's slated to average as much as $41M+ before the void years. That includes that 1st yr signing bonus. Do the math. It's there. It hasnt been left out...lol.

Go back to the OP you replied to and maybe you'll get the gist and stop going in a circle.

Now you are blaming someone else for what you said on this forum? You still can't admit the number was a reference to a cap hit. And of course he hasn't made 50M in a season yet. He's in the third year of his extension where they avoided giving him a large signing bonus because they couldn't afford it, which is what I explained to you, and for others, before you tried to discard it as extraneous. Again, here is his actual cash-flow.


Why are you now bringing up average cash and talking about doing math? Of course his average cash is never going to exceed 50M. Look at the cash flow. Do you see how it's backloaded. Now do the simple math of 261.304M/6. With a backloaded contract where the year-to-year cash is never decreasing, his average cash flow over the contract is going to climb to that number.

Anyway, we're so far away from you being wrong about his 1st year cash. I never claimed the Signing Bonus was left out. I said it was low because the team couldn't afford to give him more. I've been drawing attention to the fact that his signing bonus is greater than the cash flow you claimed he earned. Are you following the conversation at all? Are you okay chatter?

Are you guys arguing about two different things? One is talking about cap space, the other is talking about cash flow?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Kyle isn't dragging anything out. Our history of caving at crunch time is dragging these negotiations out. I don't believe that's Paraag caving but only late in the game, but suit yourself.

And of course there is a market established for quarterbacks. It's just a matter of slotting Brock in. Jed just acknowledged he's at least top 10. And for all practical purposes, he Is a free agent for pay purposes, because you can't make him play for $5.1m. He won't.

Why would you not believe that's Paraag? Literally that's his job to negotiate contracts and get the best deal possible for his boss Jed. Pretending it's anyone else is nonsense. Go be upset with the FO for sitting on their thumbs all off season during these deals, be upset with the player and agent constantly sticking their noses up at every deal put in front of them all off season. It's not a one sided thing.

Cool if he's a "top 10" give him the hurts deal at around $50M per (using that avv for this discussion only) and be done with it….just because other teams have make f**king horrible deals for their QBs doesn't mean SF has to line up and say we're next to do that. if he wants Dak/Allen cash tell him and his agent to go find it and come back to the table to discuss…if SF doesn't want to match the offer, then compensation from the other team will be figured out. If a team is willing to pay him that type of cash, then they have no issue moving picks for their starter for the next decade.

and no, he's not a FA because he's under contract for another yr and will absolutely be playing on that number (with added signing bonus) when he signs. It's an extension, not a FA contract. That last yr of his rookie deal doesn't disappear, it gets added to the extension.

if he doesn't play he doesn't get an accrued season and he's not a FA next yr. They can roll out McCorkle and if he plays fine, then that sure as s**t doesn't improve his chances of making more money.

When I said it would not be smart for Brock to play for $5m on the last year of his contract, I meant Only that. Of course I agree that if they give him a long term contract, it will include that, a signing bonus, and no doubt guaranteed money as well, that will ensure his financial future.

As to the accrued season, I've been the one that has pointed out you only need to play 6 games, and if you wait until the last games of the season when you haven't practiced nor gotten into football shape, it's doubtful anyone would put you in a game.

Please don't miss the point and understand that I'm saying that these forces will ensure that this will never happen. It's not worth the risk of injury for a man to play for Only $5m, when his market value is 10 times that. The team has no way to make him play for Only his last year. Therefore, for the team to get value for Brock, it's in the team's interest to get an agreement, which will take clearly more than you and many of us would prefer, or trade him. Pretty sure it will be the former. That's my prediction.