QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by dj43:
And?

You ignore the incredibly more talented team the Eagles had this past season.

Give Brock the Eagles' OL, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get a ring...or did you forget Burford's blown assignment?

Look hurts did a good job but he isn't the driving force behind them being as good as they were.

saquon Barkley was amazing, best OL in the league, arguably the best DL in the league (which made their secondary one of the best), arguably the best WR trio in the league.

just an exceptional team all around. To me, the criticism is that when we had that - we couldn't finish it. When the eagles had it - they dominated. Different teams and different stories but the eagles really rebounded after s**tting the bed and I hope we do the same.

this Hurts won it and Brock didn't is ignorant and anyone who simplifies it down to that doesn't know football. Lol kudos to hurts but it's much more complex than that.

i don't think brock is the driving force here either. i mean we were SB contenders many years before brock. like 2019 and 2021. i agree with you it's a bit of a silly convo when it's looking at SB wins, cuz it's a team game. i look at these individuals. they have different games in terms of what they do well. some things hurts does better and some things brock does better.

Originally posted by dj43:
And?

You ignore the incredibly more talented team the Eagles had this past season.

Give Brock the Eagles' OL, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get a ring...or did you forget Burford's blown assignment?

We lost the SB with arguably the best team full of superstars that the league has seen in many years with Purdy at QB.

Give Hurts that team, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get MULTIPLE rings.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think brock is the driving force here either. i mean we were SB contenders many years before brock. like 2019 and 2021. i agree with you it's a bit of a silly convo when it's looking at SB wins, cuz it's a team game. i look at these individuals. they have different games in terms of what they do well. some things hurts does better and some things brock does better.

What does Hurts do better than Brock outside of throwing a better deep ball when he's got nobody in his face and he's a more physical runner?

Neither of those things are critical to our offense btw.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by dj43:
And?

You ignore the incredibly more talented team the Eagles had this past season.

Give Brock the Eagles' OL, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get a ring...or did you forget Burford's blown assignment?

We lost the SB with arguably the best team full of superstars that the league has seen in many years with Purdy at QB.

Give Hurts that team, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get MULTIPLE rings.

Let me ask you 3 simple questions.

Forget the whole NFL. In the SB.

Which team had the better QB?
Which team had the better OL?
Which team had the better defense?

Please don't add any extra. Just answer the 3 questions. It's either 49ers or Chiefs.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When I said it would not be smart for Brock to play for $5m on the last year of his contract, I meant Only that. Of course I agree that if they give him a long term contract, it will include that, a signing bonus, and no doubt guaranteed money as well, that will ensure his financial future.

As to the accrued season, I've been the one that has pointed out you only need to play 6 games, and if you wait until the last games of the season when you haven't practiced nor gotten into football shape, it's doubtful anyone would put you in a game.

Please don't miss the point and understand that I'm saying that these forces will ensure that this will never happen. It's not worth the risk of injury for a man to play for Only $5m, when his market value is 10 times that. The team has no way to make him play for Only his last year. Therefore, for the team to get value for Brock, it's in the team's interest to get an agreement, which will take clearly more than you and many of us would prefer, or trade him. Pretty sure it will be the former. That's my prediction.

Him not playing this yr doesn't raise his financial stock imo, especially if Jones comes in and wins some games on the best roster/offensive coach he's had since coming into the league.

Theres always the tag the following yr all the same.

he's gonna get signed, I don't think he's gonna get Dak/allen cash nor should he

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think brock is the driving force here either. i mean we were SB contenders many years before brock. like 2019 and 2021. i agree with you it's a bit of a silly convo when it's looking at SB wins, cuz it's a team game. i look at these individuals. they have different games in terms of what they do well. some things hurts does better and some things brock does better.

What does Hurts do better than Brock outside of throwing a better deep ball when he's got nobody in his face and he's a more physical runner?

Neither of those things are critical to our offense btw.

you mentioned multiple things hurts does better. that was my point.

why did we draft lance? was it not to get a big armed physical runner? i think shanny would go off with a big armed physical runner. that's the josh allen mold. that's effectively what john elway was. elway's papa shanny teams are the antecedent to us. we share a lot of the same dna

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When I said it would not be smart for Brock to play for $5m on the last year of his contract, I meant Only that. Of course I agree that if they give him a long term contract, it will include that, a signing bonus, and no doubt guaranteed money as well, that will ensure his financial future.

As to the accrued season, I've been the one that has pointed out you only need to play 6 games, and if you wait until the last games of the season when you haven't practiced nor gotten into football shape, it's doubtful anyone would put you in a game.

Please don't miss the point and understand that I'm saying that these forces will ensure that this will never happen. It's not worth the risk of injury for a man to play for Only $5m, when his market value is 10 times that. The team has no way to make him play for Only his last year. Therefore, for the team to get value for Brock, it's in the team's interest to get an agreement, which will take clearly more than you and many of us would prefer, or trade him. Pretty sure it will be the former. That's my prediction.

Him not playing this yr doesn't raise his financial stock imo, especially if Jones comes in and wins some games on the best roster/offensive coach he's had since coming into the league.

Theres always the tag the following yr all the same.

he's gonna get signed, I don't think he's gonna get Dak/allen cash nor should he

Why is it hard to address what I actually said? He's going to play this year. If he didn't, it wouldn't be to raise his stock, but to preserve his health and earning power. And You, of All people, who's been derisively calling Jones "McCorkle" for half a decade now and railing against him, are now suggesting he's a threat to Brock? His comparative ability to avoid the rush alone takes him out of that competition. Yes, there is always the tag next year. In fact, while they can't tag him this year, they Could offer him that money on a one year contract, which would be a very large raise over $5m, and would certainly keep Brock from sitting out. If they did that, and I was Kyle, I'd be looking for a job. And yes, I did predict he would get signed, and merely suggested it would be for more than you want because he does have leverage you will not acknowledge.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by dj43:
And?

You ignore the incredibly more talented team the Eagles had this past season.

Give Brock the Eagles' OL, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get a ring...or did you forget Burford's blown assignment?

We lost the SB with arguably the best team full of superstars that the league has seen in many years with Purdy at QB.

Give Hurts that team, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get MULTIPLE rings.

No you don't!
you get cmc fumble, a botched punt return, a torn Achilles a bogus holding call on a run that would've sealed the game when they wouldn't call a hold on Bosa the entire game a dumb ass guard who decides to not block the best opposing player. Also Debo with a hammy Kittle with an injury that caused the holding call and the starting guard with an injury that caused the lack of blocking jones. To think Hurtz would have done anything differently? Go be an eagles fan.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by dj43:
And?

You ignore the incredibly more talented team the Eagles had this past season.

Give Brock the Eagles' OL, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get a ring...or did you forget Burford's blown assignment?

We lost the SB with arguably the best team full of superstars that the league has seen in many years with Purdy at QB.

Give Hurts that team, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get MULTIPLE rings.

No you don't!
you get cmc fumble, a botched punt return, a torn Achilles a bogus holding call on a run that would've sealed the game when they wouldn't call a hold on Bosa the entire game a dumb ass guard who decides to not block the best opposing player. Also Debo with a hammy Kittle with an injury that caused the holding call and the starting guard with an injury that caused the lack of blocking jones. To think Hurtz would have done anything differently? Go be an eagles fan.

This. Hurts would have got destroyed behind our OL.

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No you don't!
you get cmc fumble, a botched punt return, a torn Achilles a bogus holding call on a run that would've sealed the game when they wouldn't call a hold on Bosa the entire game a dumb ass guard who decides to not block the best opposing player. Also Debo with a hammy Kittle with an injury that caused the holding call and the starting guard with an injury that caused the lack of blocking jones. To think Hurtz would have done anything differently? Go be an eagles fan.

this is getting all emotional for no reason. you can think mahomes is better than brock (and he is, unless you want to be biased). that hardly makes anyone a KC fan. we see that clearly with the moody thread. plenty of kickers better than moody. ppl get emotional on the QB for whatever the reason. it's just talking ball at the end of the day. i like jennings, i can admit chase is better. nothing to do with being a bengals fan, just has to do with reality.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't think brock is the driving force here either. i mean we were SB contenders many years before brock. like 2019 and 2021. i agree with you it's a bit of a silly convo when it's looking at SB wins, cuz it's a team game. i look at these individuals. they have different games in terms of what they do well. some things hurts does better and some things brock does better.

What does Hurts do better than Brock outside of throwing a better deep ball when he's got nobody in his face and he's a more physical runner?

Neither of those things are critical to our offense btw.

you mentioned multiple things hurts does better. that was my point.

why did we draft lance? was it not to get a big armed physical runner? i think shanny would go off with a big armed physical runner. that's the josh allen mold. that's effectively what john elway was. elway's papa shanny teams are the antecedent to us. we share a lot of the same dna

So you can't answer the question? What I mentioned are things that aren't required in Kyle's offense, they're good to have.

We drafted Lance because Kyle wanted a Drew Brees who could run like Lamar. Clearly not what we ended up getting in Lance but the idea was to get a guy who can run the offense with timing, anticipation but also give us the ability to make off script plays which with a bigger arm, bigger body and tougher or faster running ability would allow more bang for your buck for those off script plays.

We also drafted Lance because Jimmy couldn't stay healthy and was clearly very limited and was limiting the team schematically if we didn't have YAC bros on point.

Purdy has not only show to be a lot calmer in the pocket but he's shown a lot more off script production than either Lance or Jimmy G did. Just because he's not at the level of Mahomes, Allen or Lamar off script doesn't mean he's not a great QB for this offense.

And bringing it back to Hurts - the things Jalen struggles with, throwing with anticipation, going through his progressions and struggles when his pass pro isn't there and his first read isn't open. Another way of saying it - Brock's weaknesses don't hurt Kyle's bread and butter on offense. Jalen's would.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No you don't!
you get cmc fumble, a botched punt return, a torn Achilles a bogus holding call on a run that would've sealed the game when they wouldn't call a hold on Bosa the entire game a dumb ass guard who decides to not block the best opposing player. Also Debo with a hammy Kittle with an injury that caused the holding call and the starting guard with an injury that caused the lack of blocking jones. To think Hurtz would have done anything differently? Go be an eagles fan.

this is getting all emotional for no reason. you can think mahomes is better than brock (and he is, unless you want to be biased). that hardly makes anyone a KC fan. we see that clearly with the moody thread. plenty of kickers better than moody. ppl get emotional on the QB for whatever the reason. it's just talking ball at the end of the day. i like jennings, i can admit chase is better. nothing to do with being a bengals fan, just has to do with reality.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
We lost the SB with arguably the best team full of superstars that the league has seen in many years with Purdy at QB.

Give Hurts that team, the 2021 version of Deebo, along with CMC and you get MULTIPLE rings.

In my haste to respond to him before I didn't even notice the insane take bolded above.

That take has nothing to do with anything close to reality. First of all Hurts is not the type of QB to turn those guys into something special. 2021 version of Deebo hasn't been around since....2021. Not sure how you get the 2021 version of Deebo with CMC who joined the team in 2022 but ok.

It's straight up laughable to think Hurts runs Shanahan's offense better than Purdy. Put him behind 2023 OL and give him that defense missing Greenlaw and we never even make it to OT. Hell we probably don't even play in the SB with him as our QB.

Hurts had an absolutely stacked roster around him this past season and averaged 182 yards per game in the playoffs. You're telling me a guy who threw a pick in FG range the only time his OL gave up a free rusher quickly was winning multiple SBs here?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
No you don't!
you get cmc fumble, a botched punt return, a torn Achilles a bogus holding call on a run that would've sealed the game when they wouldn't call a hold on Bosa the entire game a dumb ass guard who decides to not block the best opposing player. Also Debo with a hammy Kittle with an injury that caused the holding call and the starting guard with an injury that caused the lack of blocking jones. To think Hurtz would have done anything differently? Go be an eagles fan.

this is getting all emotional for no reason. you can think mahomes is better than brock (and he is, unless you want to be biased). that hardly makes anyone a KC fan. we see that clearly with the moody thread. plenty of kickers better than moody. ppl get emotional on the QB for whatever the reason. it's just talking ball at the end of the day. i like jennings, i can admit chase is better. nothing to do with being a bengals fan, just has to do with reality.

No emotion at all. Dude said Hurtz would've won a championship with the same team as Purdy. Which I clearly showed was false. If there's emotional bias it's the one crackin on Purdy.

You know, the front office is reading this thread causing them to waffle back n forth on the final contract .

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Why is it hard to address what I actually said? He's going to play this year. If he didn't, it wouldn't be to raise his stock, but to preserve his health and earning power. And You, of All people, who's been derisively calling Jones "McCorkle" for half a decade now and railing against him, are now suggesting he's a threat to Brock? His comparative ability to avoid the rush alone takes him out of that competition. Yes, there is always the tag next year. In fact, while they can't tag him this year, they Could offer him that money on a one year contract, which would be a very large raise over $5m, and would certainly keep Brock from sitting out. If they did that, and I was Kyle, I'd be looking for a job. And yes, I did predict he would get signed, and merely suggested it would be for more than you want because he does have leverage you will not acknowledge.

Jones sucks as a starter but I am not hating on him as a backup.