QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Typecast:
You are now overly parsing what you said because you got a simple response because you feel disrespected someone answered you....

Football is simply entertainment and I dont feel disrespected. All is well, TypeC. Cheer up.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
Chatter, let it go. You were wrong. You admitted to copying and pasting incorrect information then blamed that other website for you hitting the "Post This Reply" button.

I've copied incorrect information from websites plenty of times. How does this change the point that Hurts has never made $51M in a season?

You edited your post, so let me respond here. This source isn't the source you copy-pasted information from. You previously said

Originally posted by random49er:
Hurts earned $6.2M in 2023, $40M in 2024, and is slated to earn $42.5M in 2025 after bonuses. He has yet to cross the $50M/yr threshold.

At least two of those numbers previously were actual cash-flows representing what he "earned". This article you screenshotted says "getting paid $6.15 million in 2023, $13.56 million in 2024, $21.77 million in 2025, and $31.77 million in 2026" which are his cap hits, not cash earned in each year. He was not paid those amounts. He was paid more. Stop posting bad information.

Originally posted by random49er:
Wait. Why are we on 2023, though, instead of 2024? Is this the best you've got for a smoking gun when he's still not made for $40M in a given year yet?

We are talking about 2023 because I was correcting the number you pasted about Hurts' 2023 earnings. You've really lost the thread man...

edit - Also, that article says "5 year, 255 million extension". Let's try some simple math on that.

Originally posted by Typecast:
You edited your post, so let me respond here. This source isn't the source you copy-pasted information from.

Are we really getting to the rounding of numbers @ this point? lol

You don't know where I copied and pasted virtually anything from, just as you didn't know I wasn't referring to a cap hit (maybe the article inadvertently was?), didn't know players can be penalized for not playing more than the minimum 6 games, didnt know camp was required, et. al. There's a pattern here of you jumping the gun and being wrong on things repeatedly, just in case you haven't noticed.

2023 discussion was never the intention of the OP. The point is still the same: Hurts has maxed out @ $40M thus far.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
You edited your post, so let me respond here. This source isn't the source you copy-pasted information from.

Are we really getting to the rounding of numbers @ this point? lol

You don't know where I copied and pasted virtually anything from, just as you didn't know I wasn't referring to a cap hit (maybe the article was?), et. al. There's a pattern here of you jumping the gun, just in case you haven't noticed. 2023 was never the intention of the OP. That's still the same: Hurts has maxed out @ $40M thus far.

Do you think 6.2M and 24.304M is a rounding error? Or are you saying 6.2M and 1.1M is a rounding error?

You are right. I don't know where you are copying and pasting information from. I never claimed to know where you are getting your information from. What's clear for everyone to see is that you copy-and-paste information from bad articles.

You continue to be desperate to be right that every reply has to mention this irrelevant point about Hurts' AAV. Yes Hurts has maxed out his AAV to this point. He's going to max out his AAV every year because his cash flow is non-decreasing. It turns out when numbers go up, numbers go up.

Originally posted by Typecast:
What's clear for everyone to see is that you copy-and-paste information from bad articles.

Alright. You can have that. What is the significance of bad articles and his 2023 earnings to the thesis statement, though? (Still not @ $50M/yr @ this point in his career).

I'll wait?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
What's clear for everyone to see is that you copy-and-paste information from bad articles.

Alright. You can have that. What is the significance of bad articles and his 2023 earnings to the thesis statement, though? (Still not @ $50M/yr @ this point in his career).

I'll wait?

The significance is that the number was wrong. Again with bringing up the AAV argument... you gotta stop man... it's really sad.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
What's clear for everyone to see is that you copy-and-paste information from bad articles.

Alright. You can have that. What is the significance of bad articles and his 2023 earnings to the thesis statement, though? (Still not @ $50M/yr @ this point in his career).

I'll wait?

The significance is that the number was wrong. Again with bringing up the AAV...

Yes. $50M/Yr for Jalen Hurts at this point is wrong because he's never earned that in a given year. For months I've de-emphasized this AAV crap and discussed focusing on the actual GTD numbers and how they can affect our ability to sign other players. Where are you going with AAV when the thesis statement is still true, and he's maxed out @ $40M for the year thus far last year?

He made much less in 2023 than 2024 whether the true number was $2M or $20M.

If you are finding a year in his career where it's been significantly more, and gotten close to $51M, please share? Dont worry about rounding.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
You edited your post, so let me respond here. This source isn't the source you copy-pasted information from.

Are we really getting to the rounding of numbers @ this point? lol

You don't know where I copied and pasted virtually anything from, just as you didn't know I wasn't referring to a cap hit (maybe the article was?), et. al. There's a pattern here of you jumping the gun, just in case you haven't noticed. 2023 was never the intention of the OP. That's still the same: Hurts has maxed out @ $40M thus far.

Do you think 6.2M and 24.304M is a rounding error? Or are you saying 6.2M and 1.1M is a rounding error?

I'd really like you to answer this random49er. Are you claiming these are rounding errors? Or are you talking about the article rounding cap hits that they claim are earnings? Again, "getting paid" is not "cap hits". From the article you screenshotted

getting paid $6.15 million in 2023, $13.56 million in 2024, $21.77 million in 2025, and $31.77 million in 2026

edit - Added emphasis to the quote to draw attention to it for you.

Originally posted by Typecast:
I'd really like you to answer this random49er. Are you claiming these are rounding errors? Or are you talking about the article rounding cap hits that they claim are earnings? Again, "getting paid" is not "cap hits". From the article you screenshotted

getting paid $6.15 million in 2023, $13.56 million in 2024, $21.77 million in 2025, and $31.77 million in 2026

edit - Added emphasis to the quote to draw attention to it for you.

I'll throw you a bone since you're clearly lost @ sea still with the rounding question:



Completely insignificant to the correct point of the post, which was regarding the $50M/Yr threshold he has yet to reach. Let it go.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
What's clear for everyone to see is that you copy-and-paste information from bad articles.

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Alright. You can have that. What is the significance of bad articles and his 2023 earnings to the thesis statement, though? (Still not @ $50M/yr @ this point in his career).

I'll wait?

The significance is that the number was wrong. Again with bringing up the AAV...

Yes. $50M/Yr for Jalen Hurts at this point is wrong because he's never earned that in a given year. For months I've de-emphasized this AAV crap and discussed focusing on the actual GTD numbers and how they can affect our ability to sign other players. Where are you going with AAV when the thesis statement is still true, and he's maxed out @ $40M for the year thus far last year?

He made much less in 2023 than 2024 whether the true number was $2M or $20M.

If you are finding a year in his career where it's been significantly more, and gotten close to $51M, please share? Dont worry about rounding.

Brother, you are arguing against a strawman. You keep thinking I'm the one that made the argument that he made 51M in a season when all I did was correct you on his 2023 earnings (24.304M, not 6.2M as you copy/pasted) and give better context as to why your framing was wrong (the Eagles couldn't afford to give him a huge signing bonus up front and opted to give him huge option bonuses on the back end). All this yapping about AAVs is both hilarious and sad.

Just own you screwed up in your copy and paste job and move on. Copy better sources (and actually cite them). Stop coping by hand-waving away what you incorrectly copy-pasted. It reeks of desperation.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
I'd really like you to answer this random49er. Are you claiming these are rounding errors? Or are you talking about the article rounding cap hits that they claim are earnings? Again, "getting paid" is not "cap hits". From the article you screenshotted

getting paid $6.15 million in 2023, $13.56 million in 2024, $21.77 million in 2025, and $31.77 million in 2026

edit - Added emphasis to the quote to draw attention to it for you.

I'll throw you a bone since you're clearly lost @ sea still with the rounding question:



Completely insignificant to the correct point of the post, which was regarding the $50M/Yr threshold he has yet to reach. Let it go.

Now let me throw you a bone.



And here's the meat... Cap Hit does not mean earnings... Cap Hit does not mean what they are actually paid... A cap hit is the spending that will be accounted for against the salary cap in a year. The Eagles spent 24.304M on Hurts in 2023. They accounted for 5.668M of that 2023 spending in 2023, which was part of the cap hit. A 485k cap hit from his rookie contract, a proration from his 2020 signing bonus, carried over to his extension. 5.668M in new spending plus 485k in old spending is how you get his 6.2M cap hit. The remainder of that 2023 spending is split over 2024 to 2027, adding about 4.659M to each yearly cap hit. Do you see how 24.304M in earnings is different from a 6.2M cap hit?

Originally posted by random49er:
Completely insignificant to the correct point of the post, which was regarding the $50M/Yr threshold he has yet to reach. Let it go.

You are making my point. You are arguing against a strawman you've built so you can be right. Our conversation was about the information you incorrectly copy-and-pasted.

Originally posted by Typecast:
Brother, you are arguing against a strawman. You keep thinking I'm the one that made the argument that he made 51M in a season when all I did was correct you on his 2023 earnings

Lol no. You launched a full FBI investigation on it and began telling me what I was thinking when I typed things,..when in actuality I simply copied numbers from a website. Let's stay accurate.

You've then refused to let it go, tripping over yourself multiple times and cluing us all in on your true level of nuance once the fat is stripped off.

When you include the bonus, he certainly took home more than $6.2M in 2023,...but nowhere near $51M,...which holds the thesis statement firm. Was I really talking about 2023 when those numbers still don't come close to my point? (2024 was MUCH closer)

What about his 2021 earnings? We going to argue over those too? Both of those years are not substantive at all, because context is everything.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
Brother, you are arguing against a strawman. You keep thinking I'm the one that made the argument that he made 51M in a season when all I did was correct you on his 2023 earnings

Lol no. You launched a full FBI investigation on it and began telling me what I was thinking when I typed things,..when in actually I simply copied numbers from a website. Let's stay accurate.

You are delusional my guy. And yes, I already admitted I made the mistake of assuming you actually converse in good faith on these forums. You corrected me by letting everyone know you copy-and-paste information without actually fact checking it.

Originally posted by random49er:
You've then refused to let it go, tripping over yourself multiple times and cluing us all in on your true level of nuance once the fat is stripped off.

I've moved on from that, but you keep bringing it up. A side note, admitting that you blindly copy-and-paste information without fact-checking is not the "own" you think it is.

Originally posted by random49er:
When you include the bonus, he certainly took home more than $6.2M in 2023,...but nowhere near $51M,...which holds the thesis statement firm. Was I really talking about 2023 when those numbers still don't come close to my point? (2024 was MUCH closer)

Mr. Do-The-Math, when you subtract his actual earnings (24.304M) from his signing bonus (23.294M), you get 1.01M, which is his 2023 salary. 1.1M is not 6.2M. Do you know how numbers work? Do you understand basic logic concepts like equality?

Originally posted by random49er:
What about his 2021 earnings? We going to argue over those too? Both of those years are not substantive at all, because context is everything.

Are you going to copy-and-paste incorrect information about his 2021 earnings? If you want to be corrected on that and want to argue, I can be your huckleberry.

Nothing officially released from the negotiations, of course, but how do you guys feel when you piece together some of these comments?

John Lynch: 49ers deal with Brock Purdy before offseason program possible, but not guaranteed
https://www.49erswebzone.com/

Niners owner says offseason exodus tied to Brock Purdy deal
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

York states Purdy's 49ers extension 'shouldn't be that hard to do'
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

Both the owner and the GM have linked Purdy to the departing of some 49er fan-favorite players. The collection of unnecessary comments seem to maybe be laying the groundwork for a possible narrative down the road.🤔🤔

These headlines are parsing for sure, but what you think about the subtle back-and-forth thus far between both camps?

Originally posted by random49er:
Nothing officially released from the negotiations, of course, but how do you guys feel when you piece together some of these comments?

John Lynch: 49ers deal with Brock Purdy before offseason program possible, but not guaranteed
https://www.49erswebzone.com/

Niners owner says offseason exodus tied to Brock Purdy deal
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

York states Purdy's 49ers extension 'shouldn't be that hard to do'
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

Both the owner and the GM have linked Purdy to the departing of some 49er fan-favorite players. The collection of unnecessary comments seem to maybe be laying the groundwork for a possible narrative down the road.🤔🤔

These headlines are parsing for sure, but what you think about the subtle back-and-forth thus far between both camps?

What Lynch said doesn't really matter. He gave a generic answer because he's not involved in the contract negotiation (yet). Lynch gets the occasional update from Paraag. Paraag is the one that negotiates contracts. Lynch and Shanahan had more say in previous seasons over spending decisions, but Jed has basically backed Paraag on the spending strategy this year. Paraag misjudged the market on Greenlaw and he ended up walking. Lynch and Kyle flew out to Texas in hopes of convincing Greenlaw to stay but they couldn't get it done this time. Hopefully Lynch and Kyle aren't needed to close a Purdy extension.

On the exodus comments, I don't actually believe it. The numbers have been crunched by AB81Rules (aka Jason Hurley @ 49erscap.com) in the salary cap thread of this forum and on his website. The 49ers could have kept last years roster together. Deebo stays, possibly extended. Hargrave stays, but was seemingly always a prime cap casualty target. Collins stays. Warner and Kittle could have still gotten extensions. Purdy could have gotten a top market contract. We'd still have cap space for two free agents (Greenlaw and Hufanga). The problem with this approach is that there is a build up of dead money on void years that would need to be addressed in 2027 and 2028 when the roster aged out. That would have definitely ended the championship window. The approach we seem to be taking is to clear the books of a bunch of void dollars now and retool the roster with younger players. We have enough veterans to hopefully transition the roster into the next competitive window which will last into the 2030s.

I do agree with Jed that the contract shouldn't be that hard. They view him as a franchise quarterback and we know what the price is for franchise quarterbacks. DeCosta talked about extending Lamar back in 2021.

If you go to the Bentley dealership, or Rolls Royce dealership, you know what the cars are going to cost. You're not going to get much of a discount. They all cost about the same. And you go in with the idea you're either going to buy the car or you're not going to buy the car.

The Ravens didn't prioritize extending Lamar until he was on a franchise tag, and that slow-rolling of the negotiation saw the QB market go from Mahomes to Hurts. They paid more than they needed to. They seemed to have learned from that mistake and are already talking about making Lamar the top paid QB before next offseason, before the carousel comes back around.

At the end of the day though, Jed is not Paraag. Jed trusts Paraag. Paraag has shown he trusts his analytics to gauge market values (always behind the actual market) and will look to protect the team (more specifically the Yorks money). If it wasn't for the team and Purdy both chirping about wanting to get this extension done before May OTAs, I would have expected an extension later, like in July. Purdy became extension-eligible following the week 18 game against Arizona, which is also when the 49ers and Purdy's agent could actually starting talking numbers. It really hasn't been that long.