QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

some QB contract news, for whatever it is worth, from ESPN:

The Las Vegas Raiders and their new quarterback Geno Smith have agreed to two-year, $75 million extension, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.
The contract has incentives that could push the total to $85.5 million and includes $66.5 million in guaranteed money, the source said.

👀

i like the use of incentives. i think that would do us well also. incentives protect the team if the player is unavailable. they also reward the player if he's out there and producing. this could be seen as a compromise, and i am starting to anticipate some incentives for brock.

With much less data to chart than his counterpart, I wonder how much more his team is going to have to come towards the middle of the table.

Brock is 10 years younger lol. His down year at 25 is better than Geno at his best. Geno had Jsn Metcalf and Lockett, and Brock was still ranked ahead in passer rating and qbr

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
So on a down year, on what matters to Ben Johnson, Purdy is 4th, and Caleb Williams is 31st. That incompatible with the argument that Williams is the reason Johnson took the Chicago job.

lol not really. We have posters mistakenly trying to link EPA stats directly to future potential. The film tells the real story,...not a single stat that he "did on his own" with "no help." Those narratives are played out as well.

You been grinding a lot of film have you?

We're also still pretending he had a ton of help last year, cute.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
Baldwin mentions that his "adjusted EPA" takes inspiration from Kevin Cole. That inspiration comes from Cole's "Adjusted Quarterback Efficiency". Here is Cole's final 2024 AQE, which has its own adjusted weights for Drops, Fumbles, YAC, Sacks caused/prevented, DPI, SOS, and weather. The dot is the unadjusted EPA and their face is their AQE.

Josh Allen finishes the 2024 regular season with the thinnest of leads over Lamar Jackson in adjusted quarterback efficiency (AQE) pic.twitter.com/e1U5MuuO65

— Kevin Cole (@KevinCole___) January 8, 2025

meh. Doesnt sway anything much. Love has been disparaged in this thread, and he's #4. So what do we make of that?

I suggest watching all of the players (if you have the time to do so), forming your opinion on how they slot in comparison to one another, THEN bringing in or viewing various stats to perhaps justify what you saw.

When it comes to actual, live football, where he truly slots at amongst his peers post-2024 depends on who you ask:

The hypocrisy in your posts is amazing to watch. You lecture others on things all the time here and tell people to check film, watch all the other players(something I'm certain you don't do yourself) and then have no problem throwing up a screenshot that doesn't even have a link with context to the rankings.

We all know QB rankings are subjective for the most part outside the elite guys which Brock isn't but there is a lot more to the game of football that you and others here ignore when it comes to Brock's game because it can't be easily seen.

You're out here screaming 49ers can't make the mistake of paying Purdy like a top QB then telling others to watch film. I'm quite confident the 49ers do just that. They understand what they have in Brock and I'm sure they don't care what he would look like in Buffalo, Baltimore, etc. They care about what he will look like with them. They understand their own playbook and the needs to execute it at a high level.

If they pay Brock what you deem as "too much" it's because their film study said Brock is a franchise QB with this team - regardless of who is around him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
Baldwin mentions that his "adjusted EPA" takes inspiration from Kevin Cole. That inspiration comes from Cole's "Adjusted Quarterback Efficiency". Here is Cole's final 2024 AQE, which has its own adjusted weights for Drops, Fumbles, YAC, Sacks caused/prevented, DPI, SOS, and weather. The dot is the unadjusted EPA and their face is their AQE.

Josh Allen finishes the 2024 regular season with the thinnest of leads over Lamar Jackson in adjusted quarterback efficiency (AQE) pic.twitter.com/e1U5MuuO65

— Kevin Cole (@KevinCole___) January 8, 2025

meh. Doesnt sway anything much. Love has been disparaged in this thread, and he's #4. So what do we make of that?

I suggest watching all of the players (if you have the time to do so), forming your opinion on how they slot in comparison to one another, THEN bringing in or viewing various stats to perhaps justify what you saw.

When it comes to actual, live football, where he truly slots at amongst his peers post-2024 depends on who you ask:

The hypocrisy in your posts is amazing to watch. You lecture others on things all the time here and tell people to check film, watch all the other players(something I'm certain you don't do yourself) and then have no problem throwing up a screenshot that doesn't even have a link with context to the rankings.

We all know QB rankings are subjective for the most part outside the elite guys which Brock isn't but there is a lot more to the game of football that you and others here ignore when it comes to Brock's game because it can't be easily seen.

You're out here screaming 49ers can't make the mistake of paying Purdy like a top QB then telling others to watch film. I'm quite confident the 49ers do just that. They understand what they have in Brock and I'm sure they don't care what he would look like in Buffalo, Baltimore, etc. They care about what he will look like with them. They understand their own playbook and the needs to execute it at a high level.

If they pay Brock what you deem as "too much" it's because their film study said Brock is a franchise QB with this team - regardless of who is around him.

I honestly don't know what is funnier, the hypocrisy or the overreaction. I wasn't even making a statement about anything. I was just providing the source of the inspiration of the original tweet because I found it interesting and thought others might find it interesting. Chatter is really in his feelings

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
So on a down year, on what matters to Ben Johnson, Purdy is 4th, and Caleb Williams is 31st. That incompatible with the argument that Williams is the reason Johnson took the Chicago job.

lol not really. We have posters mistakenly trying to link EPA stats directly to future potential. The film tells the real story,...not a single stat that he "did on his own" with "no help." Those narratives are played out as well.

You been grinding a lot of film have you?

We're also still pretending he had a ton of help last year, cute.

No,...I havent. The OP said it's incompatible, though. What makes things compatible is watching the actual video of what happened in football. You can skip the film and watch the games even. Bottom line is EPA adjustments are useful, but they dont replace what we've seen on the field 1 thru 17.

That is why opinions and choices can be so drastically different than an EPA tally.

I dont need to watch tons of film to know this.

Originally posted by genus49:
The hypocrisy in your posts is amazing to watch. You lecture others on things all the time here and tell people to check film, watch all the other players(something I'm certain you don't do yourself) and then have no problem throwing up a screenshot that doesn't even have a link with context to the rankings.

Where is the context provided to a post you made with adjusted EPA? You kinda just threw them up there without talking about it in reference to the season, what goes into it, other players' ratings and why theirs may have been lower, et. al.

Seems par for course when I do the same regarding rankings I'm sharing, no?

If you post an EPA where he's 1st and I post a PFF rating where he ended up at 10th,...how do you become the saint while I become the villain?

I think I've seen more charts and graphs trying to convince others about whether Purdy is good or bad than I've ever seen on another player. It all proves one thing. Stats can be sorted to prove or disprove just about anything.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think I've seen more charts and graphs trying to convince others about whether Purdy is good or bad than I've ever seen on another player. It all proves one thing. Stats can be sorted to prove or disprove just about anything.

In a sport where the direction of a couple ball bounces can completely change the outcome,...that might be why we need to rely on visual judgement 1st??

Just a thought.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
The hypocrisy in your posts is amazing to watch. You lecture others on things all the time here and tell people to check film, watch all the other players(something I'm certain you don't do yourself) and then have no problem throwing up a screenshot that doesn't even have a link with context to the rankings.

Where is the context provided to a post you made with adjusted EPA? You kinda just threw them up there without talking about it in reference to the season, what goes into it, other players' ratings and why there's may have been lower, et. al.

Seems par for course when I do the same regarding rankings I'm sharing, no?

If you post an EPA where he's 1st and I post a PFF rating where he ended up at 10th,...how do you become the saint while I become the villain?

I literally posted the tweets that provided the information. It had the video of Ben Johnson talking about what he believes is a great metric in the NFL that correlates to wins mostly.

I then posted the related QB rankings to that metric. I didn't take a snapshot of Brock's number and post it without any reference to others.

We all understand how stats, even the advanced metrics are calculated. It's never a 1 to 1 comparison since players face different teams, in different circumstances with different players and with different coaches.

However PFF grades rely on their graders and grading scheme. There is a lot of subjectivity in it and they have to gloss over a lot of things because they can't make assumptions about some plays and where responsibility lies on bad plays.

EPA or adjusted EPA is driven off results and game situations. Everything else is obviously ignored because they have to grade the results and not who is out there. The adjusted stat does include more of the personnel side of it to a degree as well as conditions/luck involved.

So considering what you're pushing for EPA and adjusted EPA is a much better indicator of Brock's play regardless of the stuff around him than you want to admit.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think I've seen more charts and graphs trying to convince others about whether Purdy is good or bad than I've ever seen on another player. It all proves one thing. Stats can be sorted to prove or disprove just about anything.

In a sport where the direction of a couple ball bounces can completely change the outcome,...that might be why we need to rely on visual judgement 1st??

Just a thought.

Just a thought but if you're going to rely on visual judgment then it becomes pretty easy to miss some key factors unless you know what to look for.

And I'm not claiming I see it all. There are people who know this game much better than I do who certainly don't act like Purdy is mediocre or a guy who is simply a product of a system/talent around him.

But considering the majority of fans just watch the team they support and most don't bother to re-watch the game after there are a lot of bad opinions out there or opinions based on the initial watch. So that visual judgement isn't exactly a great indicator of reality either.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:
Watching the Purdy interview on YouTube, he talked about how he spent a lot of time with Pearsall, working on timing and patterns once Ricky was able to practice. I jazzed about the prospect of those two working together this coming season.

Which interview was it? Would love to check it out.

Here is a different interview that explains a lot about Purdy the person and what is at the core of who he is.

Hard to believe this guy is 25, some never reach that level of maturity, temperament. An old soul. Wise beyond his years. Like this guy is like an old dad, ya wanna fish and have a beer with and he isn't even a dad yet lol. Good interview. Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think I've seen more charts and graphs trying to convince others about whether Purdy is good or bad than I've ever seen on another player. It all proves one thing. Stats can be sorted to prove or disprove just about anything.

In a sport where the direction of a couple ball bounces can completely change the outcome,...that might be why we need to rely on visual judgement 1st??

Just a thought.

Fantastic then I see the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young! Pay the man!!

Originally posted by tankle104:
Wow he's a murderer :/ can't believe he slaughters wild life like that

He better donate to the WWF after that. Or the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, something lol.
Lol this guy needs to get some Cabela's money or Field & Stream

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think I've seen more charts and graphs trying to convince others about whether Purdy is good or bad than I've ever seen on another player. It all proves one thing. Stats can be sorted to prove or disprove just about anything.

In a sport where the direction of a couple ball bounces can completely change the outcome,...that might be why we need to rely on visual judgement 1st??

Just a thought.

Fantastic then I see the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young! Pay the man!!

Sign the offer sheet!!!

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Fantastic then I see the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young! Pay the man!!

jeff garcia. we thought in 2012 we had the FQB and in 2017 also.