QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by bvc49:
Florio may never become even an average reporter, so why should anyone care what he thinks?

What he says comes true…

Since when?

also what did I miss? Why are we talking about Florio?

Because he has a view that should be considered. He is not in a bubble.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by bvc49:
Florio may never become even an average reporter, so why should anyone care what he thinks?

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What he says comes true…

Since when?

also what did I miss? Why are we talking about Florio?

Because he has a view that should be considered. He is not in a bubble.

What is his view? I didn't see a specific article mentioned. Just curious what he said.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Fantastic then I see the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young! Pay the man!!

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jeff garcia. we thought in 2012 we had the FQB and in 2017 also.

Jeff Garcia was the best 49er QB since Young.

Now Purdy is the best 49er QB since Young.

1. Purdy
2. Jimmy
3. Garcia
4. AleX
5. Hill
6. Kaepernick/Gabbert
7. Mullens
8. Troy Smith
9. Rattay
10. Alex

Why do you have Alex twice? Having Shaun Hill over Kaepernick is laughably absurd.

1. Purdy
2. Garcia
3. Kaepernick
4. Alex (I guess)
5. Hill
6. Mullens
6. I think we are done here

Comparative ratings of players in the same position is always of interest. In this case, the effectiveness of quarterbacks in running the ball. Here is PFF's ranking:

Allen - 93.6
Hurts - 91.1
Jackson - 90.4
Purdy - 90.2
Daniels - 90.0
Mahomes - 87
Darnold - 82.5
Murray - 81.8
Nix - 81.2

Notice there are five that are well above the next highest player (Mahomes). Then a big drop. No one else is really in the conversation.

Originally posted by dj43:
Comparative ratings of players in the same position is always of interest. In this case, the effectiveness of quarterbacks in running the ball. Here is PFF's ranking:

Allen - 93.6
Hurts - 91.1
Jackson - 90.4
Purdy - 90.2
Daniels - 90.0
Mahomes - 87
Darnold - 82.5
Murray - 81.8
Nix - 81.2

Notice there are five that are well above the next highest player (Mahomes). Then a big drop. No one else is really in the conversation.

Originally posted by dj43:
Comparative ratings of players in the same position is always of interest. In this case, the effectiveness of quarterbacks in running the ball. Here is PFF's ranking:

Allen - 93.6
Hurts - 91.1
Jackson - 90.4
Purdy - 90.2
Daniels - 90.0
Mahomes - 87
Darnold - 82.5
Murray - 81.8
Nix - 81.2

Notice there are five that are well above the next highest player (Mahomes). Then a big drop. No one else is really in the conversation.

Looks more like top 3 to me.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why do you have Alex twice? Having Shaun Hill over Kaepernick is laughably absurd.

1. Purdy
2. Garcia
3. Kaepernick
4. Alex (I guess)
5. Hill
6. Mullens
6. I think we are done here

AleX (note the X) is for XTREME! That's Harbaugh Alex. The other Alex is pre-Harbaugh Alex.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why do you have Alex twice? Having Shaun Hill over Kaepernick is laughably absurd.

1. Purdy
2. Garcia
3. Kaepernick
4. Alex (I guess)
5. Hill
6. Mullens
6. I think we are done here

AleX (not the X) is for XTREME! That's Harbaugh Alex. The other Alex is pre-Harbaugh Alex.

Garcia was better than Purdy at this point relatively.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why do you have Alex twice? Having Shaun Hill over Kaepernick is laughably absurd.

1. Purdy
2. Garcia
3. Kaepernick
4. Alex (I guess)
5. Hill
6. Mullens
6. I think we are done here

AleX (not the X) is for XTREME! That's Harbaugh Alex. The other Alex is pre-Harbaugh Alex.

Garcia was better than Purdy at this point relatively.

Your smoking crack if you think that is true.

Originally posted by dj43:
Comparative ratings of players in the same position is always of interest. In this case, the effectiveness of quarterbacks in running the ball. Here is PFF's ranking:

Allen - 93.6
Hurts - 91.1
Jackson - 90.4
Purdy - 90.2
Daniels - 90.0
Mahomes - 87
Darnold - 82.5
Murray - 81.8
Nix - 81.2

Notice there are five that are well above the next highest player (Mahomes). Then a big drop. No one else is really in the conversation.

Allen, hurts, Jackson, Mahomes, and Brock all have that dynamic shiftiness that makes them harder to stop and they use it. They'll extend plays or run a positive gain.

I don't believe in using your qb a lot in designed runs but I do think having the escaping ability to extend plays is huge. There are only a handful of guys in the league who do it consistently and those guys.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Garcia was better than Purdy at this point relatively.

No.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Garcia was better than Purdy at this point relatively.

No.

Statistically he was.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by bvc49:
Florio may never become even an average reporter, so why should anyone care what he thinks?

What he says comes true…

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Since when?

also what did I miss? Why are we talking about Florio?

Because he has a view that should be considered. He is not in a bubble.

What is his view? I didn't see a specific article mentioned. Just curious what he said.

Pretty sure people are referring to this article - The 49ers seem intent on breaking the bank for Brock Purdy

Here's my reaction to the article: (Note - All discussion of AAV is specifically referring to "extension AAV" as that is what Florio is talking about.)

Under coach Kyle Shanahan and G.M. John Lynch, it took the 49ers six years to find an answer at the quarterback position. Now that they have one, it feels as if they're preparing to grossly overpay him.

This isn't an anti-Brock Purdy take. It's a realistic assessment of the market, the salary cap, and Purdy's value if/when he were available to be signed by any other team.

I thought Jimmy was an answer until Kyle broke him. If it's Florio's opinion the 49ers have "now" found their franchise quarterback, why wouldn't you pay him a franchise quarterback contract?

None of that really matters, however. Because the 49ers seem to have willingly painted themselves into a corner, while also making their haphazard brushwork a built-in excuse for the regression to come.

They reportedly opened the talks at $45 million per year. That's high for a starter. It points to a final deal that starts with a five.

Here's what else points to Purdy joining the $50 million per year club: Owner Jed York admitted that Purdy is a top-10 quarterback. Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts is currently the tenth highest-paid quarterback, at $51 million per year.

I agree that Jed undercut Paraag if they really opened the negotiation with an AAV of 45M. With that said, Florio is wrong for thinking a 45M AAV is high for a starter in the NFL today. I still hold to my belief that quarterback contracts are multi-tiered and guys fall into those tiers. Since 2020, these are the notable contracts signed:

1. "Prime" Franchise tier - Allen (100.2M), Dak (60M), Burrow (55M), The Prince (55M), Love (55M), Tua (53.1M), Goff (53M), Herbert (52.5M), Lamar (52M), Hurts (51M), Russ (DEN, 48.5M), Kyler (46.1M), Watson (46M), Rodgers (50.3M), Allen (43.1M), Dak (40M), Watson (39M), Mahomes (45M), Cousins (Min, 33M), Dak (31M, tag), Tannehill (29.5M)
2. "End of Career" tier - Kirk (ATL, 45M), Geno (LVR, 37.5M), Rodgers (NYJ, 37.5M), Stafford (LAR, 40M, prime?), Brady (TAM, 25M), Cousins (MIN, 35M), Ben (PIT, 40M), Rivers (25M), Brees (25M)
3. Fringe Tier - Baker (TAM, 33.3M), Danny Dimes (NYG, 40M), Carr (NOR, 37.5M), Darnold (SEA, 33.5M), Carr (LVR, 40.5M)
4. Stopgap/Bridge Tier - Russ (NYG, 10.5M), Danny Dimes (IND, 14.5M), Fields (NYJ, 20M), Darnold (10M, Min), Jimmy G (LVR, 24.25M), Geno (SEA, 25M), Winston (NOR, 14M), Fitzpatrick (WAS, 10.5M), Dalton (CHI, 10.5M), Bridgewater (CAR, 21M)
5. JAGs - Everyone else.

This isn't 2021 anymore. The cap has grown. The cap will continue to grow.

York treats it as an inevitability, as a subject on which the team has no choice. The quarterback has earned a massive, market-level contract. Which means they have to tighten the belt elsewhere. And they're saying so.

It doesn't have to be that way. The 49ers have leverage. Purdy is under contract for $5.3 million this year. The franchise tag for the quarterback position is currently $40.241 million.

If you are dumb enough to argue about "leverage" and using the tag to punish ourselves, please stop citing the 2025 non-exclusive franchise tag value... Purdy cannot be franchise tagged this year. The non-exclusive franchise tag should be over 45M next year.

The 49ers could do what the Cowboys did with Dak Prescott. Squat on the fourth year of his contract, tag him once, and then either pay him or tag him twice, knowing that he'll become a free agent after the second tag.

Yes, the Cowboys ultimately waited too long to pay Dak. In this case, maybe the 49ers aren't waiting long enough.

Because that worked out for Dak/Dallas and Lamar/Baltimore.

Jerry said the same things every team owner says about their franchise QB. I am confident we will get this (deal) done. We are sold on Dak. We do want to have him for the long term. We think he is worthy of investing in for the long term. He is going into his fourth year in the NFL. When you look at the snaps he has had, the situations he has been in and how he has got here and you see he has performed, we see real upside in Dak. We love the way he logically progresses through a game. You see when the going gets tough, when he's got to come from behind, when he turns it loose a little bit. You see him make those plays. He emboldens me to make a deal with him that puts him here for the long term.

Dak was extension-eligible in 2019 and was asking for 30-35M in 2019. He was willing to negotiate down to 35-38M in 2020. Jerry didn't want to pay more than 33M and they opted to tag him. He got 40M in 2021, giving up some cash for a procedural 2nd franchise tag, no tag clause, and no trade clause. Those concessions led to him gaining actual leverage over the Cowboys last offseason. The QB market was

• 2019 - Russ (35M), Ben (34M), Rodgers (33.5M), Goff (33.5M), Wentz (32M)
• 2020 - Mahomes (45M), Watson (39M), Russ (35M), Ben (34M), Rodgers/Goff (33.5M)

Lamar was extension-eligible in 2021. The Ravens didn't want to extend him so soon off his 2019 MVP season and Mahomes getting his 450M/10y extension, so they slow-rolled the negotiation process. Early in the 2022 offseason, Rodgers gets the first 50M AAV contract and Watson gets 230M/5 fully guaranteed. That spooked the Ravens, so they thought they could use what leverage they had to slow roll the negotiation in the franchise tag. 2023 rolls around and the negotiations are pretty bad. Lamar wants a top of the market contract with huge guarantees if the Ravens are going to insist he carry the team offensively. The Ravens are talking crap about Lamar in the media trying to make him look bad and take the teams side in those negotiations. It kinda worked but Lamar didn't care. The Ravens and Lamar publicly take shots at each other (Harbaugh's face at the owners meeting... priceless!) and Hurts gets extended shortly after, becoming the second franchise quarterback to eclipse 50M AAV. At that point, both sides come together and make concessions. Lamar says he'll take less guaranteed money if he gets a commitment from the front office to take his input on the offense. They concede that power to him and Lamar becomes the third franchise quarterback to eclipse 50M AAV. Because the Ravens couldn't spread some of that new spending onto a rookie contract, the back of the contract got loaded pretty hard on the cap hit. The contract signed may have been five-year deal, but the cap hits has forced it to be a three-year deal. Now the Ravens are exploring a new extension to make Lamar the highest paid QB in the league again just to reduce those cap hits in the immediate future.

Lamar should have been paid as soon as he was eligible. Dak should have been paid in 2020 before Mahomes. Purdy should be paid this year.

What would Purdy get on the open market? It's a fair question. And if the answer is he'd get less than whatever the 49ers seem to be preparing to pay him, why are the 49ers preparing to pay him that much money?

If Purdy was a free agent, I don't think it'll be less than what the 49ers are offering. There are plenty of teams that could possibly need a quarterback in the near future. Seahawks, Rams, Cardinals, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Panthers, Bucs, Saints, Giants, Jets, Colts, Raiders, Steelers, Titans, Browns, Dolphins. Cousins went through the double-tag-into-free-agency path. He leveraged the Jets 90M/3 offer (topping Stafford's 27M AAV) into a fully guaranteed 84M/3 contract from the Vikings (2nd between Stafford and Carr @ 25M AAV). Anyone remember what happened to Washington after Cousins left? They had opportunities to extend him and he eventually got to the point of just wanting out.

Still, the 49ers now have Mac Jones. The guy Shanahan supposedly wanted when the 49ers traded up to No. 3 in 2021. Why rush to fill Purdy's pockets with more money than the last pick in the draft could ever dream to make when there are options?

What is this revisionist history? Shanahan was the one that made the choice of Lance over Jones while he was on vacation in Cabo that January. Lynch and Peters sent Kyle cutups of the guys they were targeting at the top of the draft so he would have something to watch late at night while on vacation. One night, Kyle called up Lynch and told him that he was invested in Lance and wanted to send his own clips and notes for Lynch to review. Following the draft, Lynch bragged about how they kept the secret from the scouts, coaches, and ownership. That they were in on Lance following the call in January.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/03/mmqb-matt-nagy-justin-fields-trey-lance-aaron-rodgers-daily-cover

Stop with the Mac Jones lovefest.

Originally posted by Typecast:
AleX (note the X) is for XTREME! That's Harbaugh Alex. The other Alex is pre-Harbaugh Alex.

Of course that is what it meant duh lol

Man, Alex could have had his own line of energy drinks..step aside, Goat Fuel..AleXtreme Force is in town.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why do you have Alex twice? Having Shaun Hill over Kaepernick is laughably absurd.

1. Purdy
2. Garcia
3. Kaepernick
4. Alex (I guess)
5. Hill
6. Mullens
6. I think we are done here

No Jimmy?

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Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Garcia was better than Purdy at this point relatively.

No.

Statistically he was.

With less

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by bvc49:

Florio may never become even an average reporter, so why should anyone care what he thinks?

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What he says comes true…

Since when?

also what did I miss? Why are we talking about Florio?

Because he has a view that should be considered. He is not in a bubble.

You can say this about any young qb. Nobody is guaranteed to become great