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QB Brock Purdy Thread
QB Brock Purdy Thread
Apr 7, 2025 at 5:23 AM
- 9erson3
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Who cares about all this past QB crap. April 21 voluntary practice/camp. Is Brock signed by 21. Will he be there.
Apr 7, 2025 at 9:02 AM
- tankle104
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Originally posted by 9erson3:
Who cares about all this past QB crap. April 21 voluntary practice/camp. Is Brock signed by 21. Will he be there.
I'm sure hope so. Will be good for the teams focus and chemistry to have this distraction out of the way. So sick of this crap nearly every year.
Apr 7, 2025 at 9:25 AM
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Originally posted by Typecast:
Pretty sure people are referring to this article - The 49ers seem intent on breaking the bank for Brock Purdy
Here's my reaction to the article: (Note - All discussion of AAV is specifically referring to "extension AAV" as that is what Florio is talking about.)
Under coach Kyle Shanahan and G.M. John Lynch, it took the 49ers six years to find an answer at the quarterback position. Now that they have one, it feels as if they're preparing to grossly overpay him.
This isn't an anti-Brock Purdy take. It's a realistic assessment of the market, the salary cap, and Purdy's value if/when he were available to be signed by any other team.
I thought Jimmy was an answer until Kyle broke him. If it's Florio's opinion the 49ers have "now" found their franchise quarterback, why wouldn't you pay him a franchise quarterback contract?
None of that really matters, however. Because the 49ers seem to have willingly painted themselves into a corner, while also making their haphazard brushwork a built-in excuse for the regression to come.
They reportedly opened the talks at $45 million per year. That's high for a starter. It points to a final deal that starts with a five.
Here's what else points to Purdy joining the $50 million per year club: Owner Jed York admitted that Purdy is a top-10 quarterback. Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts is currently the tenth highest-paid quarterback, at $51 million per year.
I agree that Jed undercut Paraag if they really opened the negotiation with an AAV of 45M. With that said, Florio is wrong for thinking a 45M AAV is high for a starter in the NFL today. I still hold to my belief that quarterback contracts are multi-tiered and guys fall into those tiers. Since 2020, these are the notable contracts signed:
- "Prime" Franchise tier - Allen (100.2M), Dak (60M), Burrow (55M), The Prince (55M), Love (55M), Tua (53.1M), Goff (53M), Herbert (52.5M), Lamar (52M), Hurts (51M), Russ (DEN, 48.5M), Kyler (46.1M), Watson (46M), Rodgers (50.3M), Allen (43.1M), Dak (40M), Watson (39M), Mahomes (45M), Cousins (Min, 33M), Dak (31M, tag), Tannehill (29.5M)
- "End of Career" tier - Kirk (ATL, 45M), Geno (LVR, 37.5M), Rodgers (NYJ, 37.5M), Stafford (LAR, 40M, prime?), Brady (TAM, 25M), Cousins (MIN, 35M), Ben (PIT, 40M), Rivers (25M), Brees (25M)
- Fringe Tier - Baker (TAM, 33.3M), Danny Dimes (NYG, 40M), Carr (NOR, 37.5M), Darnold (SEA, 33.5M), Carr (LVR, 40.5M)
- Stopgap/Bridge Tier - Russ (NYG, 10.5M), Danny Dimes (IND, 14.5M), Fields (NYJ, 20M), Darnold (10M, Min), Jimmy G (LVR, 24.25M), Geno (SEA, 25M), Winston (NOR, 14M), Fitzpatrick (WAS, 10.5M), Dalton (CHI, 10.5M), Bridgewater (CAR, 21M)
- JAGs - Everyone else.
This isn't 2021 anymore. The cap has grown. The cap will continue to grow.
York treats it as an inevitability, as a subject on which the team has no choice. The quarterback has earned a massive, market-level contract. Which means they have to tighten the belt elsewhere. And they're saying so.
It doesn't have to be that way. The 49ers have leverage. Purdy is under contract for $5.3 million this year. The franchise tag for the quarterback position is currently $40.241 million.
If you are dumb enough to argue about "leverage" and using the tag to punish ourselves, please stop citing the 2025 non-exclusive franchise tag value... Purdy cannot be franchise tagged this year. The non-exclusive franchise tag should be over 45M next year.
The 49ers could do what the Cowboys did with Dak Prescott. Squat on the fourth year of his contract, tag him once, and then either pay him or tag him twice, knowing that he'll become a free agent after the second tag.
Yes, the Cowboys ultimately waited too long to pay Dak. In this case, maybe the 49ers aren't waiting long enough.
Because that worked out for Dak/Dallas and Lamar/Baltimore.
Jerry said the same things every team owner says about their franchise QB. I am confident we will get this (deal) done. We are sold on Dak. We do want to have him for the long term. We think he is worthy of investing in for the long term. He is going into his fourth year in the NFL. When you look at the snaps he has had, the situations he has been in and how he has got here and you see he has performed, we see real upside in Dak. We love the way he logically progresses through a game. You see when the going gets tough, when he's got to come from behind, when he turns it loose a little bit. You see him make those plays. He emboldens me to make a deal with him that puts him here for the long term.
Dak was extension-eligible in 2019 and was asking for 30-35M in 2019. He was willing to negotiate down to 35-38M in 2020. Jerry didn't want to pay more than 33M and they opted to tag him. He got 40M in 2021, giving up some cash for a procedural 2nd franchise tag, no tag clause, and no trade clause. Those concessions led to him gaining actual leverage over the Cowboys last offseason. The QB market was
- 2019 - Russ (35M), Ben (34M), Rodgers (33.5M), Goff (33.5M), Wentz (32M)
- 2020 - Mahomes (45M), Watson (39M), Russ (35M), Ben (34M), Rodgers/Goff (33.5M)
Lamar was extension-eligible in 2021. The Ravens didn't want to extend him so soon off his 2019 MVP season and Mahomes getting his 450M/10y extension, so they slow-rolled the negotiation process. Early in the 2022 offseason, Rodgers gets the first 50M AAV contract and Watson gets 230M/5 fully guaranteed. That spooked the Ravens, so they thought they could use what leverage they had to slow roll the negotiation in the franchise tag. 2023 rolls around and the negotiations are pretty bad. Lamar wants a top of the market contract with huge guarantees if the Ravens are going to insist he carry the team offensively. The Ravens are talking crap about Lamar in the media trying to make him look bad and take the teams side in those negotiations. It kinda worked but Lamar didn't care. The Ravens and Lamar publicly take shots at each other (Harbaugh's face at the owners meeting... priceless!) and Hurts gets extended shortly after, becoming the second franchise quarterback to eclipse 50M AAV. At that point, both sides come together and make concessions. Lamar says he'll take less guaranteed money if he gets a commitment from the front office to take his input on the offense. They concede that power to him and Lamar becomes the third franchise quarterback to eclipse 50M AAV. Because the Ravens couldn't spread some of that new spending onto a rookie contract, the back of the contract got loaded pretty hard on the cap hit. The contract signed may have been five-year deal, but the cap hits has forced it to be a three-year deal. Now the Ravens are exploring a new extension to make Lamar the highest paid QB in the league again just to reduce those cap hits in the immediate future.
Lamar should have been paid as soon as he was eligible. Dak should have been paid in 2020 before Mahomes. Purdy should be paid this year.
What would Purdy get on the open market? It's a fair question. And if the answer is he'd get less than whatever the 49ers seem to be preparing to pay him, why are the 49ers preparing to pay him that much money?
If Purdy was a free agent, I don't think it'll be less than what the 49ers are offering. There are plenty of teams that could possibly need a quarterback in the near future. Seahawks, Rams, Cardinals, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Panthers, Bucs, Saints, Giants, Jets, Colts, Raiders, Steelers, Titans, Browns, Dolphins. Cousins went through the double-tag-into-free-agency path. He leveraged the Jets 90M/3 offer (topping Stafford's 27M AAV) into a fully guaranteed 84M/3 contract from the Vikings (2nd between Stafford and Carr @ 25M AAV). Anyone remember what happened to Washington after Cousins left? They had opportunities to extend him and he eventually got to the point of just wanting out.
Still, the 49ers now have Mac Jones. The guy Shanahan supposedly wanted when the 49ers traded up to No. 3 in 2021. Why rush to fill Purdy's pockets with more money than the last pick in the draft could ever dream to make when there are options?
What is this revisionist history? Shanahan was the one that made the choice of Lance over Jones while he was on vacation in Cabo that January. Lynch and Peters sent Kyle cutups of the guys they were targeting at the top of the draft so he would have something to watch late at night while on vacation. One night, Kyle called up Lynch and told him that he was invested in Lance and wanted to send his own clips and notes for Lynch to review. Following the draft, Lynch bragged about how they kept the secret from the scouts, coaches, and ownership. That they were in on Lance following the call in January.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/03/mmqb-matt-nagy-justin-fields-trey-lance-aaron-rodgers-daily-cover
Stop with the Mac Jones lovefest.
Thank you. I didn't see it and was confused how Florio even entered the conversation.
Guy is giving his opinion which is frequently wrong and based on other rumors. I see nothing different here. Basically his "brock isn't elite so he shouldn't be paid like it" conversation which happens by everyone who doesn't actually have any investment in the 49ers winning games to pay their bills.
Apr 7, 2025 at 9:50 AM
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by random49er:
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They open things up for WRs and mitigate pass pro, though. QB-to-WR offense doesnt take place in a vacuum.
He was really opening everything up for those QBs in Carolina before he got traded. Give me prime TO as my top weapon if I'm a qb trying to put up numbers. It's not even close
Brock doesn't have the arm strength Garcia had to get it out to TO like that. Keep digging,...it doesn't make Purdy look any "greater" or anything. He's no slouch @ QB thus far tho,...so there's no need for all the extra toppings like 4 1st-Team All Pros on Offense didnt help his 2023 campaign since there was no "TO", but I mean....hey....keep digging.
Boy you can't help yourself can you?
I'm curious if you even watched the 49ers those days. Acting like Garcia was Mike Vick out there...There was a reason TO ripped into Garcia and talked about how he had to adjust his game and there were tons of plays/TDs left off the board because of Garcia.
Now we want to pretend Jeff had a special arm? There isn't one throw Garcia made that Purdy can't make. They're pretty damn equal as far as arm strength goes and I'd give Brock the edge in terms of anticipation throws and ability to layer passes down the middle. I'd say Jeff was a tougher runner but they're on pretty even ground as far as running ability IMO.
As for the whole idea that Garcia didn't have anyone, let's everyone just pretend we didn't have great OL in those years or that TO is a top 3 WR in NFL history oh and during Jeff's best season that Jerry Rice guy was around as well.
Charlie Garner was also no slouch as far as catching the ball. You can argue who is better per position but pretending Garcia was doing it all on his own or with less help is stupid. Not when you have two of the greatest WRs ever, one in his prime. And you have a very good pass blocking OL helping you find those guys.
Apr 7, 2025 at 11:53 AM
- Typecast
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Typecast:
If you are dumb enough to argue about "leverage" and using the tag to punish ourselves, PLEASE STOP CITING THE 2025 NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE TAG VALUE... PURDY CANNOT BE FRANCHISE TAGGED THIS YEAR. THE NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE TAG SHOULD BE OVER 45M NEXT YEAR.
Hmmm. I guess this infers that smarter people like yourself know to ignore the learned, well-versed subject of "leverage" in areas like business, economics, financial management, et. al.?
Would be great for you to simply piece together why posters that consider this are dumb, and why your rationale of sidestepping it is linked to your higher IQ.
The inference is for you and just you since you seem to be upset about it. I kinda alluded to some of the stupidity in my comment. I emphasized it for you.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by babarvaart:
Originally posted by Montana:
If Jimmy had as much adversity as Alex..and if Jimmy didn't have Kyle..and Jim had H.....I mean. Idk..look at what happened when Jimmy left the 9ers? Idk I think Alex is probably the better qb..but as Niner..I mean, I guess Jimmy was better--as a Niner, under Kyle.
Alex was a decent starter post 2011, Jimmy is a career backup with a couple of good starting years, a Ty Detmer or Case Keenum.
Some people would just love to forget supporting casts all together when speaking of a QB's success.
Only bring them up when there is an argument being made that maybe they arent all that.... lol. Almost never fails.
Wait a minute... now supporting casts matter? I was told quarterbacks had to carry teams.
Originally posted by random49er:
Haha... these Jimmy guys never quit!
Aren't you a Lance guy and a "watch tape" guy? The cognitive dissonance must be astouding...
[ Edited by Typecast on Apr 7, 2025 at 11:56 AM ]
Apr 7, 2025 at 12:04 PM
- Typecast
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Originally posted by genus49:Garcia had arm strength and I would definitely put it ahead of Brock. The problem with Garcia is that his arm strength rarely, if ever, showed up in actual games. Far too many times Rice and Owens had the defense beat and had to wait for the duck Garcia threw, preventing points from getting on the board.
Now we want to pretend Jeff had a special arm? There isn't one throw Garcia made that Purdy can't make. They're pretty damn equal as far as arm strength goes and I'd give Brock the edge in terms of anticipation throws and ability to layer passes down the middle. I'd say Jeff was a tougher runner but they're on pretty even ground as far as running ability IMO.
Apr 7, 2025 at 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Typecast:
Originally posted by genus49:Garcia had arm strength and I would definitely put it ahead of Brock. The problem with Garcia is that his arm strength rarely, if ever, showed up in actual games. Far too many times Rice and Owens had the defense beat and had to wait for the duck Garcia threw, preventing points from getting on the board.
Now we want to pretend Jeff had a special arm? There isn't one throw Garcia made that Purdy can't make. They're pretty damn equal as far as arm strength goes and I'd give Brock the edge in terms of anticipation throws and ability to layer passes down the middle. I'd say Jeff was a tougher runner but they're on pretty even ground as far as running ability IMO.
I mean we're talking about arm strength in terms of making NFL throws right? Pretending Garcia's arm led to him making throws that Purdy can't make is just flat out wrong and pretending the guy was known for his arm is totally crazy.
Garcia had the same knocks on him as Brock as far as arm talent and TO made him look a lot better than he was while playing for us. I remember a lot of wobblers out there, granted in the end as long as it's completed nobody cares but fact is arm talent is not something to prop up Garcia over.
Apr 7, 2025 at 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
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He was really opening everything up for those QBs in Carolina before he got traded. Give me prime TO as my top weapon if I'm a qb trying to put up numbers. It's not even close
Brock doesn't have the arm strength Garcia had to get it out to TO like that. Keep digging,...it doesn't make Purdy look any "greater" or anything. He's no slouch @ QB thus far tho,...so there's no need for all the extra toppings like 4 1st-Team All Pros on Offense didnt help his 2023 campaign since there was no "TO", but I mean....hey....keep digging.
Boy you can't help yourself can you?
Perhaps not.
Apr 7, 2025 at 12:53 PM
- random49er
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Originally posted by Typecast:
The inference is for you and just you since you seem to be upset about it. I kinda alluded to some of the stupidity in my comment. I emphasized it for you.
Wait a minute... now supporting casts matter? I was told quarterbacks had to carry teams.
Aren't you a Lance guy and a "watch tape" guy? The cognitive dissonance must be astouding...
Quarterbacks that are raking in $60M plus a year have to carry teams,...sure.
What is a "Lance" guy? I'll wait on what that entails...
As said before (since u had no direct response since it's so off),.... kinda crazy to suggest that posters considering leverage mattering in negotiations are dumb,...lol. But the previous poster agrees with your angle, so all is fine, I guess.
[ Edited by random49er on Apr 7, 2025 at 12:54 PM ]
Apr 7, 2025 at 1:35 PM
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Typecast:
The inference is for you and just you since you seem to be upset about it. I kinda alluded to some of the stupidity in my comment. I emphasized it for you.
Wait a minute... now supporting casts matter? I was told quarterbacks had to carry teams.
Aren't you a Lance guy and a "watch tape" guy? The cognitive dissonance must be astouding...
Quarterbacks that are raking in $60M plus a year have to carry teams,...sure.
What is a "Lance" guy? I'll wait on what that entails...
As said before (since u had no direct response since it's so off),.... kinda crazy to suggest that posters considering leverage mattering in negotiations are dumb,...lol. But the previous poster agrees with your angle, so all is fine, I guess.
Didn't you just get done lecturing everyone about how quarterbacks aren't actually making their AAVs?
I get you are trying to position yourself as a Lance hater recently, we all know you were a Lance guy. Stop lying man.
It was answered before you even asked the question. Do you actually read the full responses people give or do you snap the moment you see something you disagree with?
Apr 7, 2025 at 4:46 PM
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Originally posted by Typecast:
Didn't you just get done lecturing everyone about how quarterbacks aren't actually making their AAVs?
I get you are trying to position yourself as a Lance hater recently, we all know you were a Lance guy. Stop lying man.
It was answered before you even asked the question. Do you actually read the full responses people give or do you snap the moment you see something you disagree with?
Lance didn't really play much here. Where does the the hater or lover come in at, and how does one become that, and why does it matter for a player that was never healthy or good enough to keep the starting job?
I'm lost there a little on Lance and how he factors into anything with the limited snaps he had. You can try to prove your point with him tho, I can label you a Steve Young hater just the same pretty easily. But kinda off topic?
You clearly get confused alot, so here's the Lance thread so you can find what you're looking for:
Dallas Cowboys Trey Lance Thread
What about how QBs aren't making their AAVs? I havent talked about AAVs here recently.
Enough of the tangents you want to take: People that discuss considering bargaining leverage are not dumb. It really does exist.
[ Edited by random49er on Apr 7, 2025 at 4:58 PM ]
Apr 7, 2025 at 4:51 PM
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Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
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+ Show all quotes I would argue his "view" is based on one thing and one thing only. He makes inflammatory remarks to get attention. He does this to remain relevant. It's all about the clicks. Clicks=$. Why does Bonilla assist him and others like him by basically reposting trash?
Nothing was inflammatory unless you are overly biased.
Wrong. The basis for all these stupid ass revelations is the same faulty argument. If the team around him is less talented then he can't overcome that on his own. That is plain stupid. Every QB on this planet will be less effective if he has less talent on the field. What QB was capable of overcoming all the s**t of last year? Nobody could. Brock is an easy target because some can't get over the fact that he was the last pick of the draft. If bias is at play then point your finger at these stupid ass commentators who are want to be journalists. They can't accept him in the top 10 because of his draft position. They will continue to drag his name down at every opportunity. The argument on its face is indeed inflammatory.
No its not. Purdy isnt elite threfore he shouldnt be paid as such. Pretty straight forward and not necessarily a minority position. Blame everything else if you want but an elite QB has to overcome lack of talent on the roster, 2024 shows he cannot. That doesnt mean he should have taken this team to the SB but 6-10 just isnt good enough. Its not even the team record, he just didnt elevate the offense. I dont care where he got drafted, he needs to play better with less if he wants to be paid top dollar. End of the day, I want him to sign, just not for elite money and long duration. Its funny, Steve Young said as much awhile back stating Brock needs to not break the bank to allow the team to surround him with talent.
Apr 7, 2025 at 5:08 PM
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Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
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Nothing was inflammatory unless you are overly biased.
Wrong. The basis for all these stupid ass revelations is the same faulty argument. If the team around him is less talented then he can't overcome that on his own. That is plain stupid. Every QB on this planet will be less effective if he has less talent on the field. What QB was capable of overcoming all the s**t of last year? Nobody could. Brock is an easy target because some can't get over the fact that he was the last pick of the draft. If bias is at play then point your finger at these stupid ass commentators who are want to be journalists. They can't accept him in the top 10 because of his draft position. They will continue to drag his name down at every opportunity. The argument on its face is indeed inflammatory.
No its not. Purdy isnt elite threfore he shouldnt be paid as such. Pretty straight forward and not necessarily a minority position. Blame everything else if you want but an elite QB has to overcome lack of talent on the roster, 2024 shows he cannot. That doesnt mean he should have taken this team to the SB but 6-10 just isnt good enough. Its not even the team record, he just didnt elevate the offense. I dont care where he got drafted, he needs to play better with less if he wants to be paid top dollar. End of the day, I want him to sign, just not for elite money and long duration. Its funny, Steve Young said as much awhile back stating Brock needs to not break the bank to allow the team to surround him with talent.
Whether you feel Purdyt is eleite or not that's not what will determine his salary. That's just not the way players are getting paid now. If you use that measure then there are a lot of players getting overpaid.
It pretty much comes down to team need and whether the HC is happy witht the player. Of course he has to be able fit into the salary structure. Whether he's a top 5, top 10 or top 15 QB is irrelevant.
Apr 7, 2025 at 5:35 PM
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
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Wrong. The basis for all these stupid ass revelations is the same faulty argument. If the team around him is less talented then he can't overcome that on his own. That is plain stupid. Every QB on this planet will be less effective if he has less talent on the field. What QB was capable of overcoming all the s**t of last year? Nobody could. Brock is an easy target because some can't get over the fact that he was the last pick of the draft. If bias is at play then point your finger at these stupid ass commentators who are want to be journalists. They can't accept him in the top 10 because of his draft position. They will continue to drag his name down at every opportunity. The argument on its face is indeed inflammatory.
No its not. Purdy isnt elite threfore he shouldnt be paid as such. Pretty straight forward and not necessarily a minority position. Blame everything else if you want but an elite QB has to overcome lack of talent on the roster, 2024 shows he cannot. That doesnt mean he should have taken this team to the SB but 6-10 just isnt good enough. Its not even the team record, he just didnt elevate the offense. I dont care where he got drafted, he needs to play better with less if he wants to be paid top dollar. End of the day, I want him to sign, just not for elite money and long duration. Its funny, Steve Young said as much awhile back stating Brock needs to not break the bank to allow the team to surround him with talent.
Whether you feel Purdyt is eleite or not that's not what will determine his salary. That's just not the way players are getting paid now. If you use that measure then there are a lot of players getting overpaid.
It pretty much comes down to team need and whether the HC is happy witht the player. Of course he has to be able fit into the salary structure. Whether he's a top 5, top 10 or top 15 QB is irrelevant.
And thats the lunacy of the QB market that the 49ers should not countinue.
[ Edited by TD49ers on Apr 7, 2025 at 5:36 PM ]
Apr 7, 2025 at 6:49 PM
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Originally posted by TD49ers:
And thats the lunacy of the QB market that the 49ers should not countinue.
This is nonsense.
If your job was on the line would you ensure Purdy stays on as QB for the next 3-5 years or would you bring in another QB to try to give you a better QB than Brock?
And once again…this is if your job is on the line depending on how the 49ers play and not a fan who has nothing but time invested in this decision.
Telling a team to walk away from a proven QB in their system because other teams overpaid guys who haven't done as much is pure fandom with nothing at stake.
It's easy for us to sit back and say "he's not elite so let's find a QB who is"
I think rankings be damned we can admit the last QB we've had who was a proven elite one was Steve Young…25+ years ago.
We really want to keep this QB carousel moving until we find an elite QB and top 10-12 isn't worth keeping or developing?