QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Burrow and Chase weren't the problem for the Bengals. That means they're average? Makes 0 sense lol

Both of those players are in completely different universes. They've shown for years to be very good players, and Burrow's proven to be a QB worth paying. I need to see ALOT more from Brock before I'm ready to put him next to either one of those Top 5 draft picks you just mentioned. If you can't find better comparisons than proven Top 5 picks,...that pretty much is a signal to me that your stuck in mud. Great time to make up something about Trey Lance now, right?

So I guess not being the problem doesn't equal average lmfao

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
So I guess not being the problem doesn't equal average lmfao

If "not being the problem" is the best you can say about a QB's year....well...

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
The problem with the team last year was not quarterback play. Yes, he didn't have "The Avengers". What he had was Deebo clearly affected by pneumonia the entire back half of the season, Kittle, Jennings, and Pearsall.

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If you're happy with QB play not being the "problem",...then you're happy with average play. The discussion has centered around giving him a contract for excellent play.

There is the disconnect.

The real disconnect is that you don't know what words mean. Not being the "problem" doesn't automatically mean his play was "average". The discussion has centered around giving him a contract. Nobody in the league consistently plays "excellent". Lamar and Allen are probably the closest and both are up-and-down through their careers.

Your response was "he wasn't the problem." This is contextual,...not a vocabulary test. The OP wanted to see a good year out of Brock,...and Brock "not being the problem" to you for a year -- after a very good year with a stacked team in-hand -- is enough for you to warrant some crazy contract. I'm just glad none of us here are in charge.

If you can link the action/reaction between you and the poster together regarding this, then you can clearly see how you're inferring "not being the problem" is good enough to dole almost $60M/yr. But no,...I didn't expect you to notice how you cross yourself up with stuff like this. That's the very reason I showed it to you.

But he had a good year. Also, didn't you say "excellent play"? Maybe the zone should implement a vocabulary test to be able to post here?

"Not being the problem" does not mean "average play". You try so hard to read into my comments to find a gotcha. I swear if I said I like pancakes, you would reply "WHY DO YOU HATE WAFFLES?!?!?!?!"

Originally posted by Typecast:
You pay quarterbacks franchise qb tier money because you believe they give you a shot to win the super bowl when the team gets there. Purdy is one of those guys.

I can betcha the Seahawks and the Raiders think Geno and Darnold are guys that can give them a shot to win the SB if the team gets there,....so they are some of those guys as well...but they aren't getting top tier money.

LOL No. If they thought that highly of those guys, they would have been given a lot more money with more years and more in guarantees. Instead, Darnold is on three one-year deals where only 2025 is guaranteed. Geno has two years guaranteed, but his 2nd year money isn't preventing the Raiders from moving on if they decide to go into a different direction. Both have incentives in case they actually do perform better than expected.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

So I guess not being the problem doesn't equal average lmfao

If "not being the problem" is the best you can say about a QB's year....well...

Can you quote the poster that claims the best thing they can say about Brock's season is that he wasn't the problem? Otherwise your comeback is meaningless once again

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
So I guess not being the problem doesn't equal average lmfao

If "not being the problem" is the best you can say about a QB's year....well...

Can you quote the poster that claims the best thing they can say about Brock's season is that he wasn't the problem? Otherwise your comeback is meaningless once again

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
So I guess not being the problem doesn't equal average lmfao

If "not being the problem" is the best you can say about a QB's year....well...

Can you quote the poster that claims the best thing they can say about Brock's season is that he wasn't the problem? Otherwise your comeback is meaningless once again

"If the best thing you can say about Brock's season is ___________ "

vs.

"'Poster X' said that the best thing he can say about Brock's season is _________"

Informal nouns vs. Formal pronouns in conversation (because context?)

I believe in you Charlie. You can figure this one out.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Burrow and Chase weren't the problem for the Bengals. That means they're average? Makes 0 sense lol

Both of those players are in completely different universes. They've shown for years to be very good players, and Burrow's proven to be a QB worth paying. I need to see ALOT more from Brock before I'm ready to put him next to either one of those Top 5 draft picks you just mentioned. If you can't find better comparisons than proven Top 5 picks,...that pretty much is a signal to me that your stuck in mud. Great time to make up something about Trey Lance now, right?

What's funny about the Burrow comparison is that the guy has been surrounded with great talent around him almost his whole career. Being 3 deep at WR early in his career. He's been injured probably as much if not more so than Brock but because he puts up the huge numbers and was the #1 overall pick nobody cares about any of that stuff.

He put up great numbers this year...once again with Jamar Chase going off in his contract season, Tee Higgins and solid talent behind those guys and their defense was bad so everyone blames the defense.

Meanwhile Brock is blamed for things here. Brock isn't as good as Burrow but the point still stands. The thought process is completely different for the two players but they're a lot more similar in style of play than Brock is to guys like Mahomes, Lamar and Allen.

I don't recall anyone being afraid to pay Burrow because he didn't play as well without Chase in the lineup. Nobody claimed how Jake Browning had similar and in some ways better numbers than Joe in 2023 so he wasn't worth the contract he got...maybe they should've had fans like you on their message boards telling the team to wait to see more. Oh right that doesn't apply to former #1 overall picks.

How about the simple fact that there is no real comparison to Brock's situation. That much success early on and then issues all over the place, many outside of the QBs control heading into the first time the QB is eligible for an extension.

Burrow's career was actually very similar except in his 3rd season he didn't lose Chase for 70% of the season. He wasn't on his 3rd RB out of the gate. He didn't have a WR2 who couldn't beat man coverage and his defense and special teams weren't a disaster.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

So I guess not being the problem doesn't equal average lmfao

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If "not being the problem" is the best you can say about a QB's year....well...

Can you quote the poster that claims the best thing they can say about Brock's season is that he wasn't the problem? Otherwise your comeback is meaningless once again

"If the best thing you can say about Brock's season is ___________ "

vs.

"'Poster X' said that the best thing he can say about Brock's season is _________"

Informal nouns vs. Formal pronouns in conversation (because context?)

I believe in you Charlie. You can figure this one out.

And "if" you could quote a poster saying this, your comeback would hold some type of meaning. As of now, it's another miss

Originally posted by genus49:
What's funny about the Burrow comparison is that the guy has been surrounded with great talent around him almost his whole career. Being 3 deep at WR early in his career. He's been injured probably as much if not more so than Brock but because he puts up the huge numbers and was the #1 overall pick nobody cares about any of that stuff.

He put up great numbers this year...once again with Jamar Chase going off in his contract season, Tee Higgins and solid talent behind those guys and their defense was bad so everyone blames the defense.

Meanwhile Brock is blamed for things here. Brock isn't as good as Burrow but the point still stands. The thought process is completely different for the two players but they're a lot more similar in style of play than Brock is to guys like Mahomes, Lamar and Allen.

I don't recall anyone being afraid to pay Burrow because he didn't play as well without Chase in the lineup. Nobody claimed how Jake Browning had similar and in some ways better numbers than Joe in 2023 so he wasn't worth the contract he got...maybe they should've had fans like you on their message boards telling the team to wait to see more. Oh right that doesn't apply to former #1 overall picks.

How about the simple fact that there is no real comparison to Brock's situation. That much success early on and then issues all over the place, many outside of the QBs control heading into the first time the QB is eligible for an extension.

Burrow's career was actually very similar except in his 3rd season he didn't lose Chase for 70% of the season. He wasn't on his 3rd RB out of the gate. He didn't have a WR2 who couldn't beat man coverage and his defense and special teams weren't a disaster.

So if Cincinnati came to us and offered us Burrow for Brock straight up would you accept or no?

I like Brock as much as the next guy but Burrow is the better QB by quite a large margin.

And your whole last paragraph is why I'm wary of paying Purdy 50 mil. Without Aiuyk, without CMC, With an aging Deebo and a poor D and special teams Purdy is awfully average and we won 6 games.

Meanwhile Burrow with Chase and Higgins, a decent RB, a TE not even in Kittles stratosphere, A defense just as bad as ours and and an average special teams unit just threw for 4918 yards with 43 TDs and 9 INT and had 9 wins.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
What's funny about the Burrow comparison is that the guy has been surrounded with great talent around him almost his whole career. Being 3 deep at WR early in his career. He's been injured probably as much if not more so than Brock but because he puts up the huge numbers and was the #1 overall pick nobody cares about any of that stuff.

He put up great numbers this year...once again with Jamar Chase going off in his contract season, Tee Higgins and solid talent behind those guys and their defense was bad so everyone blames the defense.

Meanwhile Brock is blamed for things here. Brock isn't as good as Burrow but the point still stands. The thought process is completely different for the two players but they're a lot more similar in style of play than Brock is to guys like Mahomes, Lamar and Allen.

I don't recall anyone being afraid to pay Burrow because he didn't play as well without Chase in the lineup. Nobody claimed how Jake Browning had similar and in some ways better numbers than Joe in 2023 so he wasn't worth the contract he got...maybe they should've had fans like you on their message boards telling the team to wait to see more. Oh right that doesn't apply to former #1 overall picks.

How about the simple fact that there is no real comparison to Brock's situation. That much success early on and then issues all over the place, many outside of the QBs control heading into the first time the QB is eligible for an extension.

Burrow's career was actually very similar except in his 3rd season he didn't lose Chase for 70% of the season. He wasn't on his 3rd RB out of the gate. He didn't have a WR2 who couldn't beat man coverage and his defense and special teams weren't a disaster.

So if Cincinnati came to us and offered us Burrow for Brock straight up would you accept or no?

I like Brock as much as the next guy but Burrow is the better QB by quite a large margin.

And your whole last paragraph is why I'm wary of paying Purdy 50 mil. Without Aiuyk, without CMC, With an aging Deebo and a poor D and special teams Purdy is awfully average and we won 6 games.

Meanwhile Burrow with Chase and Higgins, a decent RB, a TE not even in Kittles stratosphere, A defense just as bad as ours and and an average special teams unit just threw for 4918 yards with 43 TDs and 9 INT and had 9 wins.

No offense man but your credibility went out the door soon as you claimed the 49ers had the better QB, OL and defense in that SB vs the Chiefs.

But I'll still respond to your post which doesn't dispute anything I said considering the bulk of the post is saying the same thing I already mentioned - which is Burrow is a better QB than Brock.

The point of my last paragraph was to remind people like you that the comparison doesn't hold water regardless of who the QB is unless you find a similar situation which Burrow didn't have. You throw in what Burrow did WITH all those guys as a counter to what Purdy couldn't do WITHOUT his guys?

Like what did you think you were doing giving me Burrow's stats? I'm assuming you're trying to diminish Gesicki by claiming he's nowhere in Kittle's stratosphere. Guess him being drafted early in the 2nd round means he's not talented or a horrible 4th option? This would be a great point if not for the fact that we constantly hold Kittle back cuz he has to block so much. Kittle had 11 more targets than Gesicki. Totally makes up for Ja'marr Chase and his 175 targets I guess...

Burrow had close to 200 more pass attempts than Brock and didn't have the injuries to his top playmakers anywhere near what Purdy had to deal with...once again where is the comparable situation?

Originally posted by miked1978:
So your employee example isn't that great. You are basically arguing that you wouldn't give Brock a raise at all. Just $5 million this next year which ranks 36th amongst quarterbacks.

And what if you let him play out the year and he has a year like he did in 2023? Guess what the contract will be even higher then it would have been this year and since you insulted him with your negotiations the price is even higher. You going to let him walk or are you going to pay him? He isn't top 5 QB but he's a lot better then half the QBs starting in the league.

Also you don't think Brock will improve any? He is what he is and thats it huh? Not going to get any smarter.

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Everyone is under this presumption that if Brock goes to another team, that he's going to be this great QB and take that team to the SB or make them significantly better. Garoppolo went to a SB and NFCC, just like Brock. Garoppolo had a better winning percentage in that SB year. Many people will say that Garoppolo was carried by the run game, which I wouldn't completely disagree with. Or that he had a top defense. Those same people fail to acknowledge that Brock had one of the best running backs in the league in CMC and a top 5 defense, yet it was ALL Brock. Jimmy didn't have Aiyuk or Jennings. He had a rookie Deebo that didn't play all that well to start so they traded for Emmanuel Sanders. With all the same weapons that Brock had, Jimmy was 4-0, before getting hurt. I say all this because Jimmy went to Las Vegas and absolutely stunk and I think if that happened to Brock, the outcome wouldn't be much different and that's just my opinion. Anything we come up with are just hypotheticals.

Originally posted by Shakester:
Everyone is under this presumption that if Brock goes to another team, that he's going to be this great QB and take that team to the SB or make them significantly better. Garoppolo went to a SB and NFCC, just like Brock. Garoppolo had a better winning percentage in that SB year. Many people will say that Garoppolo was carried by the run game, which I wouldn't completely disagree with. Or that he had a top defense. Those same people fail to acknowledge that Brock had one of the best running backs in the league in CMC and a top 5 defense, yet it was ALL Brock. Jimmy didn't have Aiyuk or Jennings. He had a rookie Deebo that didn't play all that well to start so they traded for Emmanuel Sanders. With all the same weapons that Brock had, Jimmy was 4-0, before getting hurt. I say all this because Jimmy went to Las Vegas and absolutely stunk and I think if that happened to Brock, the outcome wouldn't be much different and that's just my opinion. Anything we come up with are just hypotheticals.

Are we really still doing the Jimmy G to Brock comparisons?

How absurd do we want to get here? They play the game completely differently.

As far as comparing their path to the SB...let's get real.

Jimmy threw for a combined total of 208 yards in the Divisional Round and NFCCG.

His defense gave up 10 points in the only game where he made more than 8 passes in those two games. In the game he threw 8 times the defense gave up 20...while Raheem ran for 200+ and had 4 TDs.

There was 0 pressure on Jimmy in that playoff run. Purdy had to lead us in the rain for a game winning drive vs GB without Deebo. He then had to help us lead a comeback win vs Detroit.

No it wasn't all Brock but he 100% made a hell of a lot more plays on his own and with a much higher level of pressure and difficulty than anything Jimmy faced in that 2019 run.

Not to mention comparing the SB performances in the 4th quarter are miles apart. And Brock was playing against a much tougher KC defense.

You can chalk it up to a hypothetical but the fact is Brock has consistently shown a better ability to play QB than Jimmy while having less limitations in his game. We don't know what would happen if Brock played somewhere else but he hasn't been out there throwing hospital balls, avoiding big play opportunities or basically having mid or worse games any times his guys couldn't get YAC like crazy.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Shakester:

Everyone is under this presumption that if Brock goes to another team, that he's going to be this great QB and take that team to the SB or make them significantly better. Garoppolo went to a SB and NFCC, just like Brock. Garoppolo had a better winning percentage in that SB year. Many people will say that Garoppolo was carried by the run game, which I wouldn't completely disagree with. Or that he had a top defense. Those same people fail to acknowledge that Brock had one of the best running backs in the league in CMC and a top 5 defense, yet it was ALL Brock. Jimmy didn't have Aiyuk or Jennings. He had a rookie Deebo that didn't play all that well to start so they traded for Emmanuel Sanders. With all the same weapons that Brock had, Jimmy was 4-0, before getting hurt. I say all this because Jimmy went to Las Vegas and absolutely stunk and I think if that happened to Brock, the outcome wouldn't be much different and that's just my opinion. Anything we come up with are just hypotheticals.

Are we really still doing the Jimmy G to Brock comparisons?

How absurd do we want to get here? They play the game completely differently.

As far as comparing their path to the SB...let's get real.

Jimmy threw for a combined total of 208 yards in the Divisional Round and NFCCG.

His defense gave up 10 points in the only game where he made more than 8 passes in those two games. In the game he threw 8 times the defense gave up 20...while Raheem ran for 200 and had 4 TDs.

There was 0 pressure on Jimmy in that playoff run. Purdy had to lead us in the rain for a game winning drive vs GB without Deebo. He then had to help us lead a comeback win vs Detroit.

No it wasn't all Brock but he 100% made a hell of a lot more plays on his own and with a much higher level of pressure and difficulty than anything Jimmy faced in that 2019 run.

Not to mention comparing the SB performances in the 4th quarter are miles apart. And Brock was playing against a much tougher KC defense.

You can chalk it up to a hypothetical but the fact is Brock has consistently shown a better ability to play QB than Jimmy while having less limitations in his game. We don't know what would happen if Brock played somewhere else but he hasn't been out there throwing hospital balls, avoiding big play opportunities or basically having mid or worse games any times his guys couldn't get YAC like crazy.

Some guys just can't tell the difference, even though it's obvious when you compare their rushing and downfield passing. Jimmy always had it best. He had the Kittle that used to dominate with Mullens and drag dudes by the facemask. Kittle's great, but he isn't quite that anymore. Jimmy also got the young Deebo and got carried by him in his peak season. Brock never had that. Jimmy had better line play too. He also caught the initial cmc spark, but if you actually look into it that was already wearing off for Jimmy. We scored 13 points in Jimmys last game, while the defense pitched a shutout lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Burrow and Chase weren't the problem for the Bengals. That means they're average? Makes 0 sense lol

Both of those players are in completely different universes. They've shown for years to be very good players, and Burrow's proven to be a QB worth paying. I need to see ALOT more from Brock before I'm ready to put him next to either one of those Top 5 draft picks you just mentioned. If you can't find better comparisons than proven Top 5 picks,...that pretty much is a signal to me that your stuck in mud. Great time to make up something about Trey Lance now, right?

What's funny about the Burrow comparison is that the guy has been surrounded with great talent around him almost his whole career. Being 3 deep at WR early in his career. He's been injured probably as much if not more so than Brock but because he puts up the huge numbers and was the #1 overall pick nobody cares about any of that stuff.

He put up great numbers this year...once again with Jamar Chase going off in his contract season, Tee Higgins and solid talent behind those guys and their defense was bad so everyone blames the defense.

Meanwhile Brock is blamed for things here. Brock isn't as good as Burrow but the point still stands. The thought process is completely different for the two players but they're a lot more similar in style of play than Brock is to guys like Mahomes, Lamar and Allen.

I don't recall anyone being afraid to pay Burrow because he didn't play as well without Chase in the lineup. Nobody claimed how Jake Browning had similar and in some ways better numbers than Joe in 2023 so he wasn't worth the contract he got...maybe they should've had fans like you on their message boards telling the team to wait to see more. Oh right that doesn't apply to former #1 overall picks.

How about the simple fact that there is no real comparison to Brock's situation. That much success early on and then issues all over the place, many outside of the QBs control heading into the first time the QB is eligible for an extension.

Burrow's career was actually very similar except in his 3rd season he didn't lose Chase for 70% of the season. He wasn't on his 3rd RB out of the gate. He didn't have a WR2 who couldn't beat man coverage and his defense and special teams weren't a disaster.

Are you a contortionist?

Originally posted by genus49:

What's funny about the Burrow comparison is that the guy has been surrounded with great talent around him almost his whole career. Being 3 deep at WR early in his career. He's been injured probably as much if not more so than Brock but because he puts up the huge numbers and was the #1 overall pick nobody cares about any of that stuff.

Well Burrow's played some awesome ball at spurts in the NFL but let's be brutally honest: It's about the guys giving out the contracts, and whether or not they care. Being a #1 pick overall and doing well enough for your team - as far as they're concerned - holds ALOT of weight. They want to continue building off of their investment.

Whether I care or you care about that high slotting really doesnt factor in. But we know for sure they care if you weren't a total bust, and Burrow's been anything but that. Easy large extension to justify at this point.

Which is why it's virtually incomparable to Brock's situation with that 5th yr option and everything at their disposal. Even 2 full very good years might not be enough for the last pick in the draft if their worst year was their most recent. We have 1 full very good year.