QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

What's funny about the Burrow comparison is that the guy has been surrounded with great talent around him almost his whole career. Being 3 deep at WR early in his career. He's been injured probably as much if not more so than Brock but because he puts up the huge numbers and was the #1 overall pick nobody cares about any of that stuff.

Well Burrow's played some awesome ball at spurts in the NFL but let's be brutally honest: It's about the guys giving out the contracts, and whether or not they care. Being a #1 pick overall and doing well enough for your team - as far as they're concerned - holds ALOT of weight. They want to continue building off of their investment.

Whether I care or you care about that high slotting really doesnt factor in. But we know for sure they care if you weren't a total bust, and Burrow's been anything but that. Easy large extension to justify at this point.

Which is why it's virtually incomparable to Brock's situation with that 5th yr option and everything at their disposal. Even 2 full very good years might not be enough for the last pick in the draft if their worst year was their most recent. We have 1 full very good year.

Does Cinny have a good OL......how about their run game.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

What's funny about the Burrow comparison is that the guy has been surrounded with great talent around him almost his whole career. Being 3 deep at WR early in his career. He's been injured probably as much if not more so than Brock but because he puts up the huge numbers and was the #1 overall pick nobody cares about any of that stuff.

Well Burrow's played some awesome ball at spurts in the NFL but let's be brutally honest: It's about the guys giving out the contracts, and whether or not they care. Being a #1 pick overall and doing well enough for your team - as far as they're concerned - holds ALOT of weight. They want to continue building off of their investment.

Whether I care or you care about that high slotting really doesnt factor in. But we know for sure they care if you weren't a total bust, and Burrow's been anything but that. Easy large extension to justify at this point.

Which is why it's virtually incomparable to Brock's situation with that 5th yr option and everything at their disposal. Even 2 full very good years might not be enough for the last pick in the draft if their worst year was their most recent. We have 1 full very good year.

Dude you keep moving the argument, no wonder it's hard to keep up with where you're going sometimes.

I was simply reminding you that Burrow didn't have to deal with a situation across the board that Brock had to deal with. Yes Burrow is a top 5 QB, Brock is not. However you can still compare and analyze the situations both of them have dealt with and there are a good amount of similarities. We saw both QBs go to the SB with a chance to win close games in year 2 with top notch skill players and poor OL play.

The biggest difference outside of the first overall vs last overall picks in the draft was that Joe didn't have the team fall apart around him with injuries and poor defensive/special teams play in year 3(contract year).

You can certainly say I'm being absurd and Joe is clearly a better QB so none of that would matter and I won't disagree about that last part. However we also don't know what Brock would look like had all that crap around him didn't break down. Likewise we don't know what Joe would've looked like had similar things happened with Burrow on the Bengals in his 3rd season.

That's why the comparison has merit. And for the record I don't expect Brock to get a Burrow equivalent type of contract for the differences you talk about. Burrow is better so his contract will reflect it.

I'm simply taking issue with the idea that Purdy's regression says he's not good enough to build around. That type of stuff is not said for QBs drafted early in the draft even though those statements could have validity to them.

Originally posted by genus49:
No offense man but your credibility went out the door soon as you claimed the 49ers had the better QB, OL and defense in that SB vs the Chiefs.

But I'll still respond to your post which doesn't dispute anything I said considering the bulk of the post is saying the same thing I already mentioned - which is Burrow is a better QB than Brock.

The point of my last paragraph was to remind people like you that the comparison doesn't hold water regardless of who the QB is unless you find a similar situation which Burrow didn't have. You throw in what Burrow did WITH all those guys as a counter to what Purdy couldn't do WITHOUT his guys?

Like what did you think you were doing giving me Burrow's stats? I'm assuming you're trying to diminish Gesicki by claiming he's nowhere in Kittle's stratosphere. Guess him being drafted early in the 2nd round means he's not talented or a horrible 4th option? This would be a great point if not for the fact that we constantly hold Kittle back cuz he has to block so much. Kittle had 11 more targets than Gesicki. Totally makes up for Ja'marr Chase and his 175 targets I guess...

Burrow had close to 200 more pass attempts than Brock and didn't have the injuries to his top playmakers anywhere near what Purdy had to deal with...once again where is the comparable situation?

I said our QB, OL and D "PLAYED" better. Which they did for the majority of the game until mistakes and one injury to Greenlaw changed the game.

Originally posted by genus49:
Dude you keep moving the argument, no wonder it's hard to keep up with where you're going sometimes.

I was simply reminding you that Burrow didn't have to deal with a situation across the board that Brock had to deal with. Yes Burrow is a top 5 QB, Brock is not. However you can still compare and analyze the situations both of them have dealt with and there are a good amount of similarities. We saw both QBs go to the SB with a chance to win close games in year 2 with top notch skill players and poor OL play.

The biggest difference outside of the first overall vs last overall picks in the draft was that Joe didn't have the team fall apart around him with injuries and poor defensive/special teams play in year 3(contract year).

You can certainly say I'm being absurd and Joe is clearly a better QB so none of that would matter and I won't disagree about that last part. However we also don't know what Brock would look like had all that crap around him didn't break down. Likewise we don't know what Joe would've looked like had similar things happened with Burrow on the Bengals in his 3rd season.

That's why the comparison has merit. And for the record I don't expect Brock to get a Burrow equivalent type of contract for the differences you talk about. Burrow is better so his contract will reflect it.

I'm simply taking issue with the idea that Purdy's regression says he's not good enough to build around. That type of stuff is not said for QBs drafted early in the draft even though those statements could have validity to them.

We absolutely do know.

With a team full of playmakers and arguably the best at their positions; Trent Williams best OL, CMC best offensive player, Kittle best TE, Aiuyk top 5 WR, Deebo top 20 WR, Jennings stud #3 WR, Brock puts up elite passing stats, wins 13 games and goes to the SB.

Take those players away and he is awfully league average, wins 6 games and we pick 11th overall and are one of the worst teams in the league.

I don't know how much more proof you need that Purdy is an elite QB with an All Star supporting cast but middle of the pack and league average and unable to carry a team without an All Star cast.

I don't care about Joe Burrow and other QB comparisons or where he was drafted. I care about having to give 50 million to a QB who we know can't carry a team by himself. There is evidence that other elite QBs can elevate the team around them no matter the supporting cast. I don't think Purdy is one of them.

I love Brock Purdy and am one of his biggest supporters but this is a buisness.

Originally posted by Shakester:

Originally posted by miked1978:
So your employee example isn't that great. You are basically arguing that you wouldn't give Brock a raise at all. Just $5 million this next year which ranks 36th amongst quarterbacks.

And what if you let him play out the year and he has a year like he did in 2023? Guess what the contract will be even higher then it would have been this year and since you insulted him with your negotiations the price is even higher. You going to let him walk or are you going to pay him? He isn't top 5 QB but he's a lot better then half the QBs starting in the league.

Also you don't think Brock will improve any? He is what he is and thats it huh? Not going to get any smarter.

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Everyone is under this presumption that if Brock goes to another team, that he's going to be this great QB and take that team to the SB or make them significantly better. Garoppolo went to a SB and NFCC, just like Brock. Garoppolo had a better winning percentage in that SB year. Many people will say that Garoppolo was carried by the run game, which I wouldn't completely disagree with. Or that he had a top defense. Those same people fail to acknowledge that Brock had one of the best running backs in the league in CMC and a top 5 defense, yet it was ALL Brock. Jimmy didn't have Aiyuk or Jennings. He had a rookie Deebo that didn't play all that well to start so they traded for Emmanuel Sanders. With all the same weapons that Brock had, Jimmy was 4-0, before getting hurt. I say all this because Jimmy went to Las Vegas and absolutely stunk and I think if that happened to Brock, the outcome wouldn't be much different and that's just my opinion. Anything we come up with are just hypotheticals.

No. The presumption is that there are teams in need of a franchise quarterback and Purdy is a franchise quarterback.

Why did Jimmy stink? BECAUSE KYLE BROKEN HIM MULTIPLE TIMES OVER SEVERAL SEASONS.

Originally posted by Typecast:
No. The presumption is that there are teams in need of a franchise quarterback and Purdy is a franchise quarterback.

Why did Jimmy stink? BECAUSE KYLE BROKEN HIM MULTIPLE TIMES OVER SEVERAL SEASONS.

IMO if they don't get a deal done before the draft. Anything is on the table, even a trade on draft night. Don't want that to happen but it's more likely if a deal is not done by then.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Dude you keep moving the argument, no wonder it's hard to keep up with where you're going sometimes.

I was simply reminding you that Burrow didn't have to deal with a situation across the board that Brock had to deal with. Yes Burrow is a top 5 QB, Brock is not. However you can still compare and analyze the situations both of them have dealt with and there are a good amount of similarities. We saw both QBs go to the SB with a chance to win close games in year 2 with top notch skill players and poor OL play.

The biggest difference outside of the first overall vs last overall picks in the draft was that Joe didn't have the team fall apart around him with injuries and poor defensive/special teams play in year 3(contract year).

You can certainly say I'm being absurd and Joe is clearly a better QB so none of that would matter and I won't disagree about that last part. However we also don't know what Brock would look like had all that crap around him didn't break down. Likewise we don't know what Joe would've looked like had similar things happened with Burrow on the Bengals in his 3rd season.

That's why the comparison has merit. And for the record I don't expect Brock to get a Burrow equivalent type of contract for the differences you talk about. Burrow is better so his contract will reflect it.

I'm simply taking issue with the idea that Purdy's regression says he's not good enough to build around. That type of stuff is not said for QBs drafted early in the draft even though those statements could have validity to them.

We absolutely do know.

With a team full of playmakers and arguably the best at their positions; Trent Williams best OL, CMC best offensive player, Kittle best TE, Aiuyk top 5 WR, Deebo top 20 WR, Jennings stud #3 WR, Brock puts up elite passing stats, wins 13 games and goes to the SB.

Take those players away and he is awfully league average, wins 6 games and we pick 11th overall and are one of the worst teams in the league.

I don't know how much more proof you need that Purdy is an elite QB with an All Star supporting cast but middle of the pack and league average and unable to carry a team without an All Star cast.

I don't care about Joe Burrow and other QB comparisons or where he was drafted. I care about having to give 50 million to a QB who we know can't carry a team by himself. There is evidence that other elite QBs can elevate the team around them no matter the supporting cast. I don't think Purdy is one of them.

I love Brock Purdy and am one of his biggest supporters but this is a buisness.

League average? He didn't have his anchor LT. He didn't have his RB1 and RB2. He didn't have his WR1 and his WR2 was plagued with the effects of Pneumonia for the majority of the season. We didn't replace those guys with a top 10 LT, Top-5 RB, top-20 WRs. We relied on the depth of them team. And again, here are his ranks (36 quarterbacks meet the min threshold 238 pass attempts):

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by Shakester:
2023: 4280 yards, 31 TDs, 11 INTs, completion percentage of 69.4% and QBR 73.4
2024: 3864 yards, 20 TDs, 12 INTs, completion percentage of 65.9% and QBR 67.9

2023

• 16 games played, 267.5 ypg (4th), 69.4% cmp% (4th), 113.0 rating (1st), 72.8 QBR (1st).
• 9.6 Y/PA (1st), 9.92 AY/PA (1st), 13.9 Y/PC (1st), 9.01 ANY/PA (1st).
• 8.2 IAY/PA (8th), 7.2 CAY/PC (2nd), 5.0 CAY/PA (1st), 6.7 YAC/PC (1st).
• 2.1% drop% (1st), 16.3% bad throw% (21st), 75.5% on-target% (16th).

2024

• 15 games played, 257.6 ypg (5th), 65.9% cmp% (17th), 96.1 rating (13th), 67.9 QBR (7th).
• 8.5 Y/PA (3rd), 8.18 AY/PA (8th), 12.9 Y/PC (3rd), 7.34 ANY/PA (6th).
• 8.4 IAY/PA (10th), 7.4 CAY/PC (3nd), 4.9 CAY/PA (1st), 5.5 YAC/PC (12th)
• 4.3% drop% (18th), 14.1% bad throw% (12th), 78.4% on-target% (11th).

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Dude you keep moving the argument, no wonder it's hard to keep up with where you're going sometimes.

I was simply reminding you that Burrow didn't have to deal with a situation across the board that Brock had to deal with. Yes Burrow is a top 5 QB, Brock is not. However you can still compare and analyze the situations both of them have dealt with and there are a good amount of similarities. We saw both QBs go to the SB with a chance to win close games in year 2 with top notch skill players and poor OL play.

The biggest difference outside of the first overall vs last overall picks in the draft was that Joe didn't have the team fall apart around him with injuries and poor defensive/special teams play in year 3(contract year).

You can certainly say I'm being absurd and Joe is clearly a better QB so none of that would matter and I won't disagree about that last part. However we also don't know what Brock would look like had all that crap around him didn't break down. Likewise we don't know what Joe would've looked like had similar things happened with Burrow on the Bengals in his 3rd season.

That's why the comparison has merit. And for the record I don't expect Brock to get a Burrow equivalent type of contract for the differences you talk about. Burrow is better so his contract will reflect it.

I'm simply taking issue with the idea that Purdy's regression says he's not good enough to build around. That type of stuff is not said for QBs drafted early in the draft even though those statements could have validity to them.

We absolutely do know.

With a team full of playmakers and arguably the best at their positions; Trent Williams best OL, CMC best offensive player, Kittle best TE, Aiuyk top 5 WR, Deebo top 20 WR, Jennings stud #3 WR, Brock puts up elite passing stats, wins 13 games and goes to the SB.

Take those players away and he is awfully league average, wins 6 games and we pick 11th overall and are one of the worst teams in the league.

I don't know how much more proof you need that Purdy is an elite QB with an All Star supporting cast but middle of the pack and league average and unable to carry a team without an All Star cast.

I don't care about Joe Burrow and other QB comparisons or where he was drafted. I care about having to give 50 million to a QB who we know can't carry a team by himself. There is evidence that other elite QBs can elevate the team around them no matter the supporting cast. I don't think Purdy is one of them.

I love Brock Purdy and am one of his biggest supporters but this is a buisness.

League average? He didn't have his anchor LT. He didn't have his RB1 and RB2. He didn't have his WR1 and his WR2 was plagued with the effects of Pneumonia for the majority of the season. We didn't replace those guys with a top 10 LT, Top-5 RB, top-20 WRs. We relied on the depth of them team. And again, here are his ranks (36 quarterbacks meet the min threshold 238 pass attempts):

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by Shakester:
2023: 4280 yards, 31 TDs, 11 INTs, completion percentage of 69.4% and QBR 73.4
2024: 3864 yards, 20 TDs, 12 INTs, completion percentage of 65.9% and QBR 67.9

2023

• 16 games played, 267.5 ypg (4th), 69.4% cmp% (4th), 113.0 rating (1st), 72.8 QBR (1st).
• 9.6 Y/PA (1st), 9.92 AY/PA (1st), 13.9 Y/PC (1st), 9.01 ANY/PA (1st).
• 8.2 IAY/PA (8th), 7.2 CAY/PC (2nd), 5.0 CAY/PA (1st), 6.7 YAC/PC (1st).
• 2.1% drop% (1st), 16.3% bad throw% (21st), 75.5% on-target% (16th).

2024

• 15 games played, 257.6 ypg (5th), 65.9% cmp% (17th), 96.1 rating (13th), 67.9 QBR (7th).
• 8.5 Y/PA (3rd), 8.18 AY/PA (8th), 12.9 Y/PC (3rd), 7.34 ANY/PA (6th).
• 8.4 IAY/PA (10th), 7.4 CAY/PC (3nd), 4.9 CAY/PA (1st), 5.5 YAC/PC (12th)
• 4.3% drop% (18th), 14.1% bad throw% (12th), 78.4% on-target% (11th).

My point exactly.

2023 (with an All Star cast)
12 wins
1st in QB rating
4th in comp %

(arguably the two most important QB stats)

2024 (without an All Star cast)
6 wins
13th in QB rating
17th in comp %

So league average.

This thread

What's Brock up to today?

Originally posted by Typecast:
Why did Jimmy stink? BECAUSE KYLE BROKEN HIM MULTIPLE TIMES OVER SEVERAL SEASONS.

LoL. The wool has been discarded.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Dude you keep moving the argument, no wonder it's hard to keep up with where you're going sometimes.

I was simply reminding you that Burrow didn't have to deal with a situation across the board that Brock had to deal with. Yes Burrow is a top 5 QB, Brock is not. However you can still compare and analyze the situations both of them have dealt with and there are a good amount of similarities. We saw both QBs go to the SB with a chance to win close games in year 2 with top notch skill players and poor OL play.

The biggest difference outside of the first overall vs last overall picks in the draft was that Joe didn't have the team fall apart around him with injuries and poor defensive/special teams play in year 3(contract year).

You can certainly say I'm being absurd and Joe is clearly a better QB so none of that would matter and I won't disagree about that last part. However we also don't know what Brock would look like had all that crap around him didn't break down. Likewise we don't know what Joe would've looked like had similar things happened with Burrow on the Bengals in his 3rd season.

That's why the comparison has merit. And for the record I don't expect Brock to get a Burrow equivalent type of contract for the differences you talk about. Burrow is better so his contract will reflect it.

I'm simply taking issue with the idea that Purdy's regression says he's not good enough to build around. That type of stuff is not said for QBs drafted early in the draft even though those statements could have validity to them.

We absolutely do know.

With a team full of playmakers and arguably the best at their positions; Trent Williams best OL, CMC best offensive player, Kittle best TE, Aiuyk top 5 WR, Deebo top 20 WR, Jennings stud #3 WR, Brock puts up elite passing stats, wins 13 games and goes to the SB.

Take those players away and he is awfully league average, wins 6 games and we pick 11th overall and are one of the worst teams in the league.

I don't know how much more proof you need that Purdy is an elite QB with an All Star supporting cast but middle of the pack and league average and unable to carry a team without an All Star cast.

I don't care about Joe Burrow and other QB comparisons or where he was drafted. I care about having to give 50 million to a QB who we know can't carry a team by himself. There is evidence that other elite QBs can elevate the team around them no matter the supporting cast. I don't think Purdy is one of them.

I love Brock Purdy and am one of his biggest supporters but this is a buisness.

Trent Williams best OL...he's one of 5 people on the OL.

Once again that credibility you lost with the simple questions from that Chiefs SB comes into play.

And fine I can rephrase - we don't know what Brock would be like without elite playmakers all around him but just not having injuries to his top guys. Consistency is very important especially in this offense. He didn't have that.

I don't know how many times it needs to be said - NO QB carries a team by HIMSELF. NONE.

So your point is based on nothing. What did Burrow elevate around him outside of playing great with excellent skill players but a weak OL...sound familiar? Oh right we had Trent Williams so somehow he can block for all the other guys on the OL right?

What was Jauan Jennings before Purdy took over the QB job? Great 3rd WR. He was playing like a legit WR1 with Brock last year. But that's not elevating talent for you?

This is a hilarious exchange. There is no absolute "worth" of a player, especially since it's not a free market where supply and demand can clear properly. Comparing Purdy to Burrow for the purposes of determining his salary is as meaningful as comparing him to the love child of Montana and Marino. It's not just hypothetical - it simply does not compute. Burrow is only available to the Bengals until his contract is up. His contract was struck when it was, with the cap as it was then, with the Bengals cap as it was then and is now. It is neither here nor there when it comes to the 49ers striking a contract now with a player they control. Sure, the agents play the game "we want to get the same money that player X got, because our dude is at least as good as that". But it's bollocks and we all know it. It's a negotiating position, not a serious calculation.

The 49ers own Purdy's rights for at least 2, possibly three years (though it gets expensive on year 3). They are obviously cutting costs, and are willing to suck for at least a year - that's "worth" to them. Purdy can only withhold his labour and take the risk that the 49ers will not simply shrug and play someone else. It's a bad risk to take, as bad as Bell with the Steelers a few years back. The 49ers prefer to suck this year rather than pay over the odds. He has zero leverage other than rocking the boat a bit and hoping that there is still a sliver of ambition left in the organisation (hint: there is not, at least not this year) to try to field a competitive team again. But playing for a few million (or worse, sitting out and getting zip) when a few tens of millions are available? He's not that dumb.

The 49ers on their part will do well to keep him for that few tens of millions. Why take the risk to find another rookie who might, perhaps, work out. Lock this guy in for a reasonable price and worry about one less thing.

It will all get sorted out by OTAs in my opinion, and I wouldn't be shocked if it's done by the draft. But regardless if it is or not, trying to figure out what's his "worth" by comparing his salary to someone else's is like trying to determine the colour of the hair of the King of the USA. It is a meaningless exercise that will yield nonsense for results..

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
Why did Jimmy stink? BECAUSE KYLE BROKEN HIM MULTIPLE TIMES OVER SEVERAL SEASONS.

LoL. The wool has been discarded.

Originally posted by genus49:
Trent Williams best OL...he's one of 5 people on the OL.

Once again that credibility you lost with the simple questions from that Chiefs SB comes into play.

And fine I can rephrase - we don't know what Brock would be like without elite playmakers all around him but just not having injuries to his top guys. Consistency is very important especially in this offense. He didn't have that.

I don't know how many times it needs to be said - NO QB carries a team by HIMSELF. NONE.

So your point is based on nothing. What did Burrow elevate around him outside of playing great with excellent skill players but a weak OL...sound familiar? Oh right we had Trent Williams so somehow he can block for all the other guys on the OL right?

What was Jauan Jennings before Purdy took over the QB job? Great 3rd WR. He was playing like a legit WR1 with Brock last year. But that's not elevating talent for you?

I really don't care what you think about my credibility. Saying one player was better than another is simply an opinion. And for some reason you think your opinions hold more merit than mine or anyone else's. Maybe that moderator title has gone to your head?

Re: Jennings, someone had to be the #1 WR last year. We had no-one else to get targets.

And to say a QB can't carry a team by himself is absurd. There isn't one position more critical than QB play. The elite ones make everyone else around them better. The average ones are just, average.

As for the bolded, like I have said 20x but yet you still can't acknowledge it: We absolutely do know what Brock will be like without elite playmakers. It happened last year.

I'm not sure how you can argue this. But I'm sure you will try.