QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

You're just moving the goal posts to support your argument.

Anyone who says that we didn't have a better team than the Chiefs is flat out wrong. And delirious.

You just fell for propaganda. The only place we were truly better is in the run game, and that got shutdown on the day that mattered by the Chiefs superior defense

They had the advantage at QB, defense, both trenches, and coaching on both sides of the ball. They even had the advantage at TE over us, one of our strongest positions on offense

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
The Chiefs offense was middle of the road that season. They had 2 guys to worry about - Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice.

The Chiefs defense had a completely different challenge ahead of them.

You can also simply look at what each defense going into that game.

Chiefs gave up 7 points to the #2 scoring, #1 yards offense in the league in the WC round
24 points to the #6 scoring, #4 yards in the divisional round on the road
10 points to #4 scoring, #6 yards offense led by the MVP of the league in the AFCCG on the road

49ers gave up 21 points to the #12 scoring, #11 yards offense in the league in the divisional round at home
31 points to the #5 scoring, #3 yardage offense in the league in the NFCCG at home

Anyone looking at those results, the personnel and the coaching and claiming the 49ers had the better defense going into that SB is just wrong.

And bringing up Greenlaw's injury is pointless when your original post claimed how Purdy couldn't win with the most talented team in the league. Did he lose that game with Greenlaw on the field? So any way you slice it that original point was simply hyperbole and wasn't genuine. Because you can't make the claim Purdy had the best team around him when the key things to winning SBs KC was better in and the injuries and officiating certainly didn't help us either.

You're just moving the goal posts to support your argument.

Anyone who says that we didn't have a better team than the Chiefs is flat out wrong. And delirious.

Only one moving goalposts here is you. Literally picking when you want to concentrate on stats vs actual consensus.

You basically told us all that 49ers with Brock Purdy had a better QB than the Chiefs did with Mahomes in the same thread you're talking about how Brock isn't worth paying.

We had more big name players. That's it. Unfortunately name recognition doesn't win football games.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
The Chiefs offense was middle of the road that season. They had 2 guys to worry about - Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice.

The Chiefs defense had a completely different challenge ahead of them.

You can also simply look at what each defense going into that game.

Chiefs gave up 7 points to the #2 scoring, #1 yards offense in the league in the WC round
24 points to the #6 scoring, #4 yards in the divisional round on the road
10 points to #4 scoring, #6 yards offense led by the MVP of the league in the AFCCG on the road

49ers gave up 21 points to the #12 scoring, #11 yards offense in the league in the divisional round at home
31 points to the #5 scoring, #3 yardage offense in the league in the NFCCG at home

Anyone looking at those results, the personnel and the coaching and claiming the 49ers had the better defense going into that SB is just wrong.

And bringing up Greenlaw's injury is pointless when your original post claimed how Purdy couldn't win with the most talented team in the league. Did he lose that game with Greenlaw on the field? So any way you slice it that original point was simply hyperbole and wasn't genuine. Because you can't make the claim Purdy had the best team around him when the key things to winning SBs KC was better in and the injuries and officiating certainly didn't help us either.

You're just moving the goal posts to support your argument.

Anyone who says that we didn't have a better team than the Chiefs is flat out wrong. And delirious.

Only one moving goalposts here is you. Literally picking when you want to concentrate on stats vs actual consensus.

You basically told us all that 49ers with Brock Purdy had a better QB than the Chiefs did with Mahomes in the same thread you're talking about how Brock isn't worth paying.

We had more big name players. That's it. Unfortunately name recognition doesn't win football games.

Better QB play with……wait for it…..an All Star cast. Take away those skill players and we are 6-10. So which is it? Brock Purdy or the skill players? Hell, Sam Darnold would have put up Brock's numbers in 2023 with that roster.

What part of this are you not getting?

Originally posted by random49er:
We talking 2023?

per PFF:

San Francisco 49ers: The 49ers tied with the Jets for the highest-graded defense in 2023 (90.8). Their run-defense and pass-rush units placed 10th and fourth, respectively, in PFF grade. The defense also ranked fourth in pass-rush win rate (55.7%).

So yea, are we talking about the season? Or the final game where CMac's fumble and unmatched QB play hurt things for us as well?

We cant take 1 game and rewrite its previous history with it.

Opinions are going to differ on who's was better over the course of a season, but let's not pretend like opinions cant descent.

Didn't realize PFF ranked us as the number one D that year. Outfit is a bad joke.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Better QB play with……wait for it…..an All Star cast. Take away those skill players and we are 6-10. So which is it? Brock Purdy or the skill players? Hell, Sam Darnold would have put up Brock's numbers in 2023 with that roster.

What part of this are you not getting?

Bottom 10 pass protection - finalist in MVP voting. SB lead every time he stepped onto the field in the 4th quarter and OT. He did his job.

The 6-10 team with all the stuff involved and you want to pretend Purdy showed he can't play without elite talent.


How terrible he was...

Also while he didn't have that elite talent...but they were on the roster, just not available. There is a big difference in not having elite players vs having them but them being injured. When you only have 53 guys on the roster and the top dogs are out you're limited in what you can put on the field. That is what you keep glossing over again and again.

You get ready for the season with a certain group of players. You design your offense to rely on their skills and then they're gone. Now you have inexperienced players or guys who were backups and didn't get as much time to practice with the starters. It's a trickle down effect that you refuse to acknowledge.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's not an opinion. PFF grading doesn't change the simple fact that the Chiefs defense was better in the stats that matter and in the playoffs it was even more evident. The coaching on each side was also miles apart.

since you love PFF so much here is a look at the playoff grades

Why did you switch to the playoffs?

Was the discussion how teams performed during the playoffs? Or which team's defense was better that year?? Lol my post CLEARLY outlined we cant change who performed better all year by 1 or 2 playoff games.

That was the ENTIRE point of my post, in fact. So I have no choice but to discard a huge pic showing playoff results.

The playoffs (which can be as short as 1 game if you even make it there) don't erase which team performed better for the season. Is that true or not??

Playoff metrics that follow are not needed to answer this.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
The Chiefs offense was middle of the road that season. They had 2 guys to worry about - Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice.

The Chiefs defense had a completely different challenge ahead of them.

You can also simply look at what each defense going into that game.

Chiefs gave up 7 points to the #2 scoring, #1 yards offense in the league in the WC round
24 points to the #6 scoring, #4 yards in the divisional round on the road
10 points to #4 scoring, #6 yards offense led by the MVP of the league in the AFCCG on the road

49ers gave up 21 points to the #12 scoring, #11 yards offense in the league in the divisional round at home
31 points to the #5 scoring, #3 yardage offense in the league in the NFCCG at home

Anyone looking at those results, the personnel and the coaching and claiming the 49ers had the better defense going into that SB is just wrong.

And bringing up Greenlaw's injury is pointless when your original post claimed how Purdy couldn't win with the most talented team in the league. Did he lose that game with Greenlaw on the field? So any way you slice it that original point was simply hyperbole and wasn't genuine. Because you can't make the claim Purdy had the best team around him when the key things to winning SBs KC was better in and the injuries and officiating certainly didn't help us either.

You're just moving the goal posts to support your argument.

Go figure. But everyone else is,...not him...lol.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's not an opinion. PFF grading doesn't change the simple fact that the Chiefs defense was better in the stats that matter and in the playoffs it was even more evident. The coaching on each side was also miles apart.

since you love PFF so much here is a look at the playoff grades

Why did you switch to the playoffs?

Was the discussion how teams performed during the playoffs? Or which team's defense was better that year?? Lol my post CLEARLY outlined we cant change who performed better all year by 1 or 2 playoff games.

That was the ENTIRE point of my post, in fact. So I have no choice but to discard a huge pic showing playoff results.

The playoffs (which can be as short as 1 game if you even make it there) don't erase which team performed better for the season. Is that true or not??

Playoff metrics that follow are not needed to answer this.

The #2 overall defense in points and yards is not including playoffs but go ahead and post more PFF scores only when it helps you.

When the whole take is 49ers were better across the board and you two are doing all sorts of "actually!" and still wrong then maybe you should just find a different point to hang your hat on.

Funny you didn't run to his defense to point out who the better QB was. Should we check PFF for that so we can say Purdy was a better QB?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
The Chiefs offense was middle of the road that season. They had 2 guys to worry about - Travis Kelce and Rashee Rice.

The Chiefs defense had a completely different challenge ahead of them.

You can also simply look at what each defense going into that game.

Chiefs gave up 7 points to the #2 scoring, #1 yards offense in the league in the WC round
24 points to the #6 scoring, #4 yards in the divisional round on the road
10 points to #4 scoring, #6 yards offense led by the MVP of the league in the AFCCG on the road

49ers gave up 21 points to the #12 scoring, #11 yards offense in the league in the divisional round at home
31 points to the #5 scoring, #3 yardage offense in the league in the NFCCG at home

Anyone looking at those results, the personnel and the coaching and claiming the 49ers had the better defense going into that SB is just wrong.

And bringing up Greenlaw's injury is pointless when your original post claimed how Purdy couldn't win with the most talented team in the league. Did he lose that game with Greenlaw on the field? So any way you slice it that original point was simply hyperbole and wasn't genuine. Because you can't make the claim Purdy had the best team around him when the key things to winning SBs KC was better in and the injuries and officiating certainly didn't help us either.

You're just moving the goal posts to support your argument.

Go figure. But everyone else is,...not him...lol.

Question was who had the better QB, OL and defense in that SB.

Your buddy claimed 49ers were better at all 3.

Everything I've posted has been showing how ridiculous that take is. There has been 0 goal post moving here. Feel free to go back to the original post where I asked him to specifically reply without any extra narrative - straight up who had the better player/units going into that game.

And to remind you that includes regular season and it most certainly leans more of the what have you done for me lately as both teams weren't the same as they were week 1 or even during portions of the regular season.

And all that to debunk the absurd notion that Purdy shouldn't get paid because he couldn't win it all with the best team in the league. Since you guys love to close your eyes when other players don't bring their A game and put it on Purdy while pretending that other QBs are doing it on their own somehow.

Reality however is if the defense gets a stop in the 4th quarter or OT Purdy won a SB. If we don't fumble a punt, Purdy likely wins a SB. If Greenlaw isn't injured, Purdy likely wins a SB. All these things have nothing to do with him. Yet because all those things happened we didn't win and now we're doing all these mental gymnastics to downplay what he has done.

Originally posted by genus49:
The #2 overall defense in points and yards is not including playoffs but go ahead and post more PFF scores only when it helps you.

When the whole take is 49ers were better across the board and you two are doing all sorts of "actually!" and still wrong then maybe you should just find a different point to hang your hat on.

Funny you didn't run to his defense to point out who the better QB was. Should we check PFF for that so we can say Purdy was a better QB?

Helps me? I didn't argue that the 49ers defense was better in the playoffs, though?

Someone said the 49ers D was better in 2023 and I can see their viewpoint. I provided evidence of why, and mentioned how you're clearly referring to the playoffs, not the season.

If someone said KC, I can see their viewpoint too.

So what is benefitting me here? 2 people can have dissenting opinions on who's defense was better for 2023. No big deal,...and the exaggeration that only your view on this can be right is kinda crazy.

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny you didn't run to his defense to point out who the better QB was. Should we check PFF for that so we can say Purdy was a better QB?

There's nothing wrong with you making an argument that Purdy was better in 2023 and backing it up with PFF's resulting 2023.

You know, though, that this doesn't mean he's the better QB, right? "Better in 2023" and "Better QB" are easily 2 different things.

Nothing is wrong with either person's viewpoint. The heart attack that ensues if someone sees things a little diff than you is the only thing that's attracting attention. That's what other posters are trying to tell you.

If you want to believe Purdy's a better QB than Mahomes, hey, go right ahead.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny you didn't run to his defense to point out who the better QB was. Should we check PFF for that so we can say Purdy was a better QB?

There's nothing wrong with you making an argument that Purdy was better in 2023 and backing it up with PFF's resulting 2023.

You know, though, that this doesn't mean he's the better QB, right? "Better in 2023" and "Better QB" are easily 2 different things.

Nothing is wrong with either person's viewpoint. The heart attack that ensues if someone sees things a little diff than you is the only thing that's attracting attention. That's what other posters are trying to tell you.

If you want to believe Purdy's a better QB than Mahomes, hey, go right ahead.

You're too busy trying to inject yourself in every conversation to dunk on people that you can't even keep up with the conversations.

You're literally making my point with your post. Thanks for agreeing with me. I'm sure that's what you were going for.

Originally posted by random49er:
Helps me? I didn't argue that the 49ers defense was better in the playoffs, though?

Someone said the 49ers D was better in 2023 and I can see their viewpoint. I provided evidence of why, and mentioned how you're clearly referring to the playoffs, not the season.

If someone said KC, I can see their viewpoint too.

So what is benefitting me here? 2 people can have dissenting opinions on who's defense was better for 2023. No big deal,...and the exaggeration that only your view on this can be right is kinda crazy.

Someone can have an opinion that the earth is the center of the solar system and they'd be wrong.

The Chiefs defense was clearly better in the regular season given the results that cannot be ignored like the whole scoring of points thing and they did it while their offense was middle of the pack. The 49ers defense got to feast on teams who were behind early and often with how dominant our offense was that season. That's not even bringing up the difference in coaching for each defense.

Digging up objective grading metrics from PFF and ignoring the actual results is exactly what you were arguing against doing with Brock when someone brought up Mahomes. So please don't come in here and lecture other people while basically talking over your own takes not that long ago.

Going through a couple pages of google/youtube search results for position-by-position comparisons during the leadup to Super Bowl 58, the consensus seemed to be

• HC - KC
• QB - KC
• RB - SF
• WR - SF
• TE - KC (close)
• OL - SF (Trent slight edge over Humphrey, Banks over questionable Thuney)
• DL - SF (DT - KC, Edge - SF)
• LB - SF
• DB - KC (CB - KC, S - SF)
• K - KC
• P - KC (close)
• Return Units - KC