QB Brock Purdy Thread

I think it's a possibility that if Brock struggles in cold, bad weather games, they could substitute Mac Jones in those games. Something to think about.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I think it's a possibility that if Brock struggles in cold, bad weather games, they could substitute Mac Jones in those games. Something to think about.

i'd rather not

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Typecast:

Going through a couple pages of google/youtube search results for position-by-position comparisons during the leadup to Super Bowl 58, the consensus seemed to be

• HC - KC
• QB - KC
• RB - SF
• WR - SF
• TE - KC (close)
• OL - SF (Trent slight edge over Humphrey, Banks over questionable Thuney)
• DL - SF (DT - KC, Edge - SF)
• LB - SF
• DB - KC (CB - KC, S - SF)
• K - KC
• P - KC (close)
• Return Units - KC

Just based on how the game went, their TE advantage was huge when you consider Kittles injury and him even having to leave the game in crunch time

Trent killed drives and also got worked. That along with Feliciano injury puts the OL advantage to KC imo

I think the Lb advantage also swung their way after the Greenlaw injury

Originally posted by genus49:
The #2 overall defense in points and yards is not including playoffs but go ahead and post more PFF scores only when it helps you.

When the whole take is 49ers were better across the board and you two are doing all sorts of "actually!" and still wrong then maybe you should just find a different point to hang your hat on.

Funny you didn't run to his defense to point out who the better QB was. Should we check PFF for that so we can say Purdy was a better QB?

Purdy had more passing yards, more points and more passing TD's.

Yet you think Mahomes had the better year.

Whatever works for you man. I'm done debating with you because you will argue that the sky isn't blue.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Purdy had more passing yards, more points and more passing TD's.

Yet you think Mahomes had the better year.

Whatever works for you man. I'm done debating with you because you will argue that the sky isn't blue.

You could just recognize that you are arguing different things. He asked who the better QB was and you're answering that Purdy had the better statistical season.

Originally posted by genus49:
Question was who had the better QB, OL and defense in that SB.

Your buddy claimed 49ers were better at all 3.

Everything I've posted has been showing how ridiculous that take is. There has been 0 goal post moving here. Feel free to go back to the original post where I asked him to specifically reply without any extra narrative - straight up who had the better player/units going into that game.

And to remind you that includes regular season and it most certainly leans more of the what have you done for me lately as both teams weren't the same as they were week 1 or even during portions of the regular season.

And all that to debunk the absurd notion that Purdy shouldn't get paid because he couldn't win it all with the best team in the league. Since you guys love to close your eyes when other players don't bring their A game and put it on Purdy while pretending that other QBs are doing it on their own somehow.

Reality however is if the defense gets a stop in the 4th quarter or OT Purdy won a SB. If we don't fumble a punt, Purdy likely wins a SB. If Greenlaw isn't injured, Purdy likely wins a SB. All these things have nothing to do with him. Yet because all those things happened we didn't win and now we're doing all these mental gymnastics to downplay what he has done.

You haven't posted one thing aside from playoff stats that prove nothing.

Purdy had better regular season stats than Mahomes but you move the goal posts and say that's because we played with leads.

Our run D was much better than KCs but they had a better pass D. Yards were basically even. KC had 6 more sacks. If anything they are tied. But nope, in your world KC is better

Our Oline gave Purdy more time to throw, we ran for more yards, threw for more yards and scored more points. But again, in your world KC's was better.

All to prove that KC had the better team to absolve Purdy from any fault because I said he is an awfully average QB without those top weapons

Which, if you compare his stats from 2023 to 2024 they are night and day. Yes, I said losing all those guys hurts. I never once said it didn't. But I also said that without those top weapons and an All Star team he will never reproduce the 2023 season. And to me that's not a 50 mil a year QB.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You could just recognize that you are arguing different things. He asked who the better QB was and you're answering that Purdy had the better statistical season.

He did!!

what else do we go off of then if we don't judge based on stats?

An opinion?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
You haven't posted one thing aside from playoff stats that prove nothing.

Purdy had better regular season stats than Mahomes but you move the goal posts and say that's because we played with leads.

Our run D was much better than KCs but they had a better pass D. Yards were basically even. KC had 6 more sacks. If anything they are tied. But nope, in your world KC is better

Our Oline gave Purdy more time to throw, we ran for more yards, threw for more yards and scored more points. But again, in your world KC's was better.

All to prove that KC had the better team to absolve Purdy from any fault because I said he is an awfully average QB without those top weapons

Which, if you compare his stats from 2023 to 2024 they are night and day. Yes, I said losing all those guys hurts. I never once said it didn't. But I also said that without those top weapons and an All Star team he will never reproduce the 2023 season. And to me that's not a 50 mil a year QB.

Why didn't you respond to my post when I pointed out to you that we allowed 4.3 ypc and the Chiefs allowed 4.4. For someone so attached to basic stats, this one really seems to fly in the face of your point.

Our run D sucked in 23. Period.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
He did!!

what else do we go off of then if we don't judge based on stats?

An opinion?

You aren't actually judging based on stats in much of this argument. You are judging based on selected stats while ignoring others, like you repeatedly claiming our run defense was much better than KC's as an obvious example.

You judge player ability by watching them play. Stats don't tell the story. Cherry picking stats without context will tell you even less.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Why didn't you respond to my post when I pointed out to you that we allowed 4.3 ypc and the Chiefs allowed 4.4. For someone so attached to basic stats, this one really seems to fly in the face of your point.

Our run D sucked in 23. Period.

They allowed 1 rushing TD. All year. They were dominant.

But yet our run D sucked? What kind of bizaaro world am I living in here?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You aren't actually judging based on stats in much of this argument. You are judging based on selected stats while ignoring others, like you repeatedly claiming our run defense was much better than KC's as an obvious example.

You judge player ability by watching them play. Stats don't tell the story. Cherry picking stats without context will tell you even less.

Cherry picking stats??

Better QBR, more passing yards per game. More passing TDs. Less INTs. He was statistically betts than Mahomes in virtually every area.

How is this even an argument?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
They allowed 1 rushing TD. All year. They were dominant.

But yet our run D sucked? What kind of bizaaro world am I living in here?

There you go again selecting statistics that help your argument while ignoring ones that don't.

We were bottom 3rd in yards per f**king carry lol. The defensive coordinator was s**tcanned. Whatever world you're living in, it isn't Earth.

Originally posted by genus49:
Only one moving goalposts here is you. Literally picking when you want to concentrate on stats vs actual consensus.

You basically told us all that 49ers with Brock Purdy had a better QB than the Chiefs did with Mahomes in the same thread you're talking about how Brock isn't worth paying.

We had more big name players. That's it. Unfortunately name recognition doesn't win football games.

Yes, he was a better QB in 2023 and it's not debatable. With an all star supporting cast.

Take away that support cast like what happened in 2024 and he was average.

So what does that tell you?? That's my whole point why I don't think he's worth 50 mil. Because he needs that elite group of weapons to be a top 5 QB.

Pay him 50 mil a year and we aren't able to afford those weapons and we know based on statistical evidence what will happen.

But again, facts and stats still aren't enough. You will still argue that because of your opinion.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yes, he was a better QB in 2023 and it's not debatable. With an all star supporting cast.

Take away that support cast like what happened in 2024 and he was average.

So what does that tell you?? That's my whole point why I don't think he's worth 50 mil. Because he needs that elite group of weapons to be a top 5 QB.

Pay him 50 mil a year and we aren't able to afford those weapons and we know based on statistical evidence what will happen.

But again, facts and stats still aren't enough. You will still argue that because of your opinion.

He wasn't the better QB though. He had better production in a much better situation as the rest of your post presents.

Mahomes is better than Purdy at every facet of the position. You don't get to see that in basic stats which are teammate and system driven.

You seem to understand this… what's the issue here?